Our calendar system is unconstitutional and MUST be changed.
- Thread starter Dirty Shoez
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I think it should be on an individual basis, and not forced on the whole. Suppose that people just try to look over the " In God we Trust" on the money and just use it for legal tender..? I'm not christian, but I work in a goddamn bank and count money all day long. I don't have time to be offended. They played christmas music in most of the branches I worked at, and I wasn't offended. I wasn't offended when customers wished me a Merry Christmas, even though I am not christian. I considered it nice of them to say that. I wasn't going to retort with, " I'm not christian." I, of course, had to say " Happy Holidays " because you can't favor any one holiday over the other where I work. That works for me, because I am agnostic for the most part.
There's a good reason for having a gap between church and state, but it's only an expression. There will always be religion in politics because most politicians are still people with religious foundations. It's just nice to say there's a separation. People will use religion when it comes to voting..
Extreme pulls in either direction doesn't make for an argument supporting the other. Saying the Pledge in the morning can still happen, and those who do not wish to say "god" do not have to. But there's no reason to take that away from others. If a kid wants to pray in school, I think he should be allowed to. I am of the opinion that religion should stay out of the curriculum, but on an individual basis it shouldn't be outlawed. A christian child doesn't leave his beliefs in the school parking lot when he goes to class. But then, another child shouldn't have to be badgered about their different beliefs. It should be a private thing.
We have a system that works when it comes to the Calendar, and the days of the week. Holidays that work. Let people have their religion, and their holidays. Let people believe what they want. There's a happy medium when people can just say, " Well, Ok..". If someone isn't cramming something down your throat, there shouldn't be an issue. Make the choice to be different with out being obnoxious about it. No one I work with knows I am agnostic because I find no reason to bring it up. And no one tries to force any of their views on me.
You can believe in a separation of church and state, and also still just accept that the Calendar we use has religious backgrounds.
There's a good reason for having a gap between church and state, but it's only an expression. There will always be religion in politics because most politicians are still people with religious foundations. It's just nice to say there's a separation. People will use religion when it comes to voting..
Extreme pulls in either direction doesn't make for an argument supporting the other. Saying the Pledge in the morning can still happen, and those who do not wish to say "god" do not have to. But there's no reason to take that away from others. If a kid wants to pray in school, I think he should be allowed to. I am of the opinion that religion should stay out of the curriculum, but on an individual basis it shouldn't be outlawed. A christian child doesn't leave his beliefs in the school parking lot when he goes to class. But then, another child shouldn't have to be badgered about their different beliefs. It should be a private thing.
We have a system that works when it comes to the Calendar, and the days of the week. Holidays that work. Let people have their religion, and their holidays. Let people believe what they want. There's a happy medium when people can just say, " Well, Ok..". If someone isn't cramming something down your throat, there shouldn't be an issue. Make the choice to be different with out being obnoxious about it. No one I work with knows I am agnostic because I find no reason to bring it up. And no one tries to force any of their views on me.
You can believe in a separation of church and state, and also still just accept that the Calendar we use has religious backgrounds.
Not good enough. We still have months named after Gods, and that is unconstitutional for our Government to "officially" follow that.
I should not be forced, under law, to have words like March, June and so on, appear anywhere near any Local, State or Federal records of mine. if i graduate from university in the month of June, being that I go to a state university, I will sue if they print out June on my diploma.
I should not be forced, under law, to have words like March, June and so on, appear anywhere near any Local, State or Federal records of mine. if i graduate from university in the month of June, being that I go to a state university, I will sue if they print out June on my diploma.
how much does it really fucking matter? honestly, how you waste so much thought on stupid shit like this is just embarassing to yourself. especially when u continue to catagorize and sterotype all athiests as well as call them "fagballs" then continue to proclaim that you'll "sue" if the month of your birthday is printed on your diploma...there are bigger issues in the world, get the fuck over it kid. you are a dumb twat. And finally, whos says its not good enough? you? well who the fuck are you to say anything....exactly. no one.
^^ Address the months of the year, sport. Stop ducking.
Friends, the fact of the matter is that my argument is unsurmountable. Gods are gods, be they Christian or Roman or whatever else. What isn't "very important" does not matter at this point. 750 students in a school with no problem take a back seat to a single asshole Atheist. All it takes is one.
If Atheists want to fight this war, indeed it shall be faught...by ALL SIDES. If the ACLU is going to go around pissing everybody off, then there needs to be a balance there to piss EVERYBODY off. We're created equal, after all.
Friends, the fact of the matter is that my argument is unsurmountable. Gods are gods, be they Christian or Roman or whatever else. What isn't "very important" does not matter at this point. 750 students in a school with no problem take a back seat to a single asshole Atheist. All it takes is one.
If Atheists want to fight this war, indeed it shall be faught...by ALL SIDES. If the ACLU is going to go around pissing everybody off, then there needs to be a balance there to piss EVERYBODY off. We're created equal, after all.
Efficacy, equivalence, and relevence are not superseded by literalist notions of interpretation. The names of months of the year and days of the week are by-gone notions from long-dead religions and as such are regarded more as archaic cultural artifacts than religious concepts or representations.
A government agency named the Quetzlcoatl Agency is not a praise or forced recognition of pre-European Mexican society. It's simply a recognition of a long-past culture or time. Never have atheists argued en masse for the removal of Christmas trees, gift-giving, or many other customs with roots in religion.
"Merry Christmas" or "Under God" is quite different than "June" being named after "Juno". Juno means little to nothing to both American society and the world. This argument that the days of the week must be changed is equivalent to saying a man who lightly slaps another on the back should be booked for assault. The customs, traditions, and artifacts of our time are weighed by a standard of how much relevence they have to our society and world.
A swastika flag may be hugely disrespectful in America, where people have a very deep and emotional national connection with the Holocaust, but it probably means little to nothing to a remote indigenous tribe with no connection to the outside world.
A government agency named the Quetzlcoatl Agency is not a praise or forced recognition of pre-European Mexican society. It's simply a recognition of a long-past culture or time. Never have atheists argued en masse for the removal of Christmas trees, gift-giving, or many other customs with roots in religion.
"Merry Christmas" or "Under God" is quite different than "June" being named after "Juno". Juno means little to nothing to both American society and the world. This argument that the days of the week must be changed is equivalent to saying a man who lightly slaps another on the back should be booked for assault. The customs, traditions, and artifacts of our time are weighed by a standard of how much relevence they have to our society and world.
A swastika flag may be hugely disrespectful in America, where people have a very deep and emotional national connection with the Holocaust, but it probably means little to nothing to a remote indigenous tribe with no connection to the outside world.
Au contraire, my friend, what you are speaking of only adds to my argument. The people are being systematically brainwashed into commemorating Gods of allegedly 'long-dead' religions. What is the measure here? Our country has been celebrating X-Mas since well before our country was founded. Surely it is a part of our history and culture, religious-based or otherwise.
You make a good argument, but gods are gods, and God/gods is indeed the new standard. Religion isn't only imposing when its practiced by the, get this, VAST MAJORITY of the population. Religion is only imposing, BY DEFINITION!, when you force beliefs onto a public that no longer even knows what they mean! That is beyond inappropriate.
Besides...What would it hurt? Better safe than sorry! We wouldn't want to offend any Anti-Romans by forcing them to worship gods they choose not to recognize yet have forced upon them.
You make a good argument, but gods are gods, and God/gods is indeed the new standard. Religion isn't only imposing when its practiced by the, get this, VAST MAJORITY of the population. Religion is only imposing, BY DEFINITION!, when you force beliefs onto a public that no longer even knows what they mean! That is beyond inappropriate.
Besides...What would it hurt? Better safe than sorry! We wouldn't want to offend any Anti-Romans by forcing them to worship gods they choose not to recognize yet have forced upon them.
Dirty Shoez said:
This cannot continue.
A.D. as we all know stands for Anno Domini, the Year of the (our) Lord. And what of those with no Lord, the Lord God? This is unfair to them.
I propose we wipe out this whole unconstitutional, anti-Atheist system and replace it with one that starts on July 4, 1776. That is the only fair way.
We must also change those names on the calendar which are named after Greco-Roman Gods, i.e., March, June, etc.
If you aren't with me on this one, then you must in fact be some crazed, right-wing fundamentalist zealot that will not stand for the removal of God from our calendar system and is trying to impose your beliefs on us. But guess what? If you don't like the Separation of Church and State, then LEAVE!
A.D. as we all know stands for Anno Domini, the Year of the (our) Lord. And what of those with no Lord, the Lord God? This is unfair to them.
I propose we wipe out this whole unconstitutional, anti-Atheist system and replace it with one that starts on July 4, 1776. That is the only fair way.
We must also change those names on the calendar which are named after Greco-Roman Gods, i.e., March, June, etc.
If you aren't with me on this one, then you must in fact be some crazed, right-wing fundamentalist zealot that will not stand for the removal of God from our calendar system and is trying to impose your beliefs on us. But guess what? If you don't like the Separation of Church and State, then LEAVE!
Damn, I can't stand people like you...always gotta be so politicaly correct, ya fukin Xtreme Liberal priks are a bunch of "girly Men" lol
& if you don't like it GET THA FUK OUT!
