OSAMA CALLS A TRUCE?
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we roll around in gas guzzling s.u.v.'s wit 24 inch rims,spend ridiculous amounts of money on clothes and shoes,brag about how many gigabytes our computers have,were able to critizise our government without having a to worry about misterously 'dissapering'....yet we gonna talk shit about this government that allows us these luxuries?....u guys want equality for all man kind?be ready to give up ur way of living...lets all stop paying for online service and send that money to countries who need it...u wouldnt do that would u?....imagine having ur toilet paper and food ''issued'' to u by ur government?..ur light cut out by 8p.m.?...like they do in sum ''equal''countries.im not saying u have to agree with the current administration.but sum of u guys need to relax wit all this consperisy b.s. and relaize alotta the shit this gov. does is for ur benefit...think about it..whos the muthas wit the big trucks wasteing all that oil?..us
i agree that we are blessed to live in a free nation..
however, i do believe we live in a corrupt society..
we really never found the weapons of mass destrcution..
where did aids come from?
why are there drugs in our country? don't we have the manpower and resources to stop this?
why are we spedning billions of dollars on a war that ain;t our business, but yet we have problems here in our own country...
can you answer those questions?
however, i do believe we live in a corrupt society..
we really never found the weapons of mass destrcution..
where did aids come from?
why are there drugs in our country? don't we have the manpower and resources to stop this?
why are we spedning billions of dollars on a war that ain;t our business, but yet we have problems here in our own country...
can you answer those questions?
Not I, and most of those who DO drive around in gas guzzling s.u.v.'s on 24 inch rims do so because they have been lead to believe success is material wealth.
See the above.
See the above.
This is 100% FALSE. Before the patriot act and other security laws/bills you risked being taken "away" when an issue of national security arises. Now that certain laws and bills are now in effect it is EASIER for you to speak out against this country and be labeled a TERRORIST. FACT: People who speak out against this government have to look over their shoulder.
The government does NOT allow me ANY luxuries. Any luxuries I have come by blessings from God and MY hardwork. How does the government allow luxuries? You seem to believe that the government is the body who built this country. If anything the blood and deaths of afrikans and natives allowed me luxuries, so why mention the government?
No.
Those who believe in God are ready to give up their way of living. I know things are going to change for america,and they will not change for the better. Materialism and "this world" mean NOTHING to me. Be in the world but not of the world.
Lets start with you. Why don't you lead by example? While we are sending our money to countries what will become of the homeless and orphans here in america? Once a month I go to the Cristian Help Center or I take food to the park in Berkeley where all the homeless people hang out (right by the college.) These are the people I help and do you know whats more important than spending money and giving them food? Time. So why don't YOU join me in helping people HERE?
See the above.
Don't worry that will happen in america. Please give me a list of "equal countries" that hand out toilet paper and have the lights cut out by 8 pm.
What is more of a conspiracy theory?
A.) Iraq helped AL-queda attack america and poses a threat to american liberties with its many weapons of mass destruction.
Or
B.) The global elite have manipulated markets, manufactured wars, villians,and use Hegelian Dialectic to manipulate its citizens.
The government does NOTHING for my benefit. If the government wants to do something for my benefit they can get out and feed the homeless. If they want to do something for my benefit they should stop these churches from becoming 501 c (3) entities. If they want to do something for my benefit they can send my nephew home from Iraq and send my neice home from Afghanistan. The government is doing NOTHING for us. The government is doing EVERYTHING for the global elite. The government is not going to give you FREE oil so what is the government doing for our benefit?
Us? Who is us? The united states? Before the s.u.v and big truck boom america was the LEADER in using the majority of the worlds resources. Can you explain why this was so?
:hgk:
See the above.
See the above.
This is 100% FALSE. Before the patriot act and other security laws/bills you risked being taken "away" when an issue of national security arises. Now that certain laws and bills are now in effect it is EASIER for you to speak out against this country and be labeled a TERRORIST. FACT: People who speak out against this government have to look over their shoulder.
The government does NOT allow me ANY luxuries. Any luxuries I have come by blessings from God and MY hardwork. How does the government allow luxuries? You seem to believe that the government is the body who built this country. If anything the blood and deaths of afrikans and natives allowed me luxuries, so why mention the government?
No.
Those who believe in God are ready to give up their way of living. I know things are going to change for america,and they will not change for the better. Materialism and "this world" mean NOTHING to me. Be in the world but not of the world.
Lets start with you. Why don't you lead by example? While we are sending our money to countries what will become of the homeless and orphans here in america? Once a month I go to the Cristian Help Center or I take food to the park in Berkeley where all the homeless people hang out (right by the college.) These are the people I help and do you know whats more important than spending money and giving them food? Time. So why don't YOU join me in helping people HERE?
See the above.
Don't worry that will happen in america. Please give me a list of "equal countries" that hand out toilet paper and have the lights cut out by 8 pm.
What is more of a conspiracy theory?
A.) Iraq helped AL-queda attack america and poses a threat to american liberties with its many weapons of mass destruction.
Or
B.) The global elite have manipulated markets, manufactured wars, villians,and use Hegelian Dialectic to manipulate its citizens.
The government does NOTHING for my benefit. If the government wants to do something for my benefit they can get out and feed the homeless. If they want to do something for my benefit they should stop these churches from becoming 501 c (3) entities. If they want to do something for my benefit they can send my nephew home from Iraq and send my neice home from Afghanistan. The government is doing NOTHING for us. The government is doing EVERYTHING for the global elite. The government is not going to give you FREE oil so what is the government doing for our benefit?
Us? Who is us? The united states? Before the s.u.v and big truck boom america was the LEADER in using the majority of the worlds resources. Can you explain why this was so?
:hgk:
Shit, he can have a truce with me...I like the American gov't probably about as much as him, maybe less. They're fucking retarded. And while the conception may be that the White House and Gov't speaks for the people but they sure as fuck dont' speak on my behalf. Anybody that lets others speak for them (in regard to their safety and life) is a fucking sucker.
You must have missed a thing called taxes and foreign aid buddy. They just don't put the right funds into the right places, and THEY are the government. These fucking schmucks that people elect. Oh and dont' even try to say there's not electricity to go around, you must be trippin. One dam up here in WA supplies more than several states if I'm not mistaken. Most people's way of life is, if you aren't making more than you use to you aren't winning. If you don't haev more shit now than you did back when the fuck ever, you are losing. And just cause they do it for our "benefit" doesn't mean people can't see through the bullshit of material crap they big corporations shove in your face every day.
It has been reported that Saddams wife has said the man who they have in custody is NOT her husband.
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/june2004/061804saddamnotsaddam.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/june2004/061804saddamnotsaddam.htm
i keep hearing about people living in fear. what fear? when u guys go outside are u lookin at airplanes thinkin some mark is going to crash it into a building or something? or someone is going to bomb a building? shit ima look at the terrior alert color before i bounce tonight so i can put on my bombproof jacket and have a "safe" night
Did the U.S. "Create" Osama bin Laden?
Allegations that the U.S. provided funding for bin Laden proved inaccurate
The United States did not "create" Osama bin Laden or al Qaeda. The United States supported the Afghans fighting for their country's freedom -- as did other countries, including Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, China, Egypt, and the UK -- but the United States did not support the "Afghan Arabs," the Arabs and other Muslims who came to fight in Afghanistan for broader goals. CNN terrorism analyst Peter Bergen notes that the "Afghan Arabs functioned independently and had their own sources of funding." He notes:
"While the charges that the CIA was responsible for the rise of the Afghan Arabs might make good copy, they don't make good history. The truth is more complicated, tinged with varying shades of gray. The United States wanted to be able to deny that the CIA was funding the Afghan war, so its support was funneled through Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence agency (ISI). ISI in turn made the decisions about which Afghan factions to arm and train, tending to favor the most Islamist and pro-Pakistan. The Afghan Arabs generally fought alongside those factions, which is how the charge arose that they were creatures of the CIA.
Former CIA official Milt Bearden, who ran the Agency's Afghan operation in the late 1980s, says, "The CIA did not recruit Arabs," as there was no need to do so. There were hundreds of thousands of Afghans all too willing to fight, and the Arabs who did come for jihad were "very disruptive . . . the Afghans thought they were a pain in the ass." Similar sentiments from Afghans who appreciated the money that flowed from the Gulf but did not appreciate the Arabs' holier-than-thou attempts to convert them to their ultra-purist version of Islam. Freelance cameraman Peter Jouvenal recalls: "There was no love lost between the Afghans and the Arabs. One Afghan told me, ‘Whenever we had a problem with one of them we just shot them. They thought they were kings.'"
... There was simply no point in the CIA and the Afghan Arabs being in contact with each other. ... the Afghan Arabs functioned independently and had their own sources of funding. The CIA did not need the Afghan Arabs, and the Afghan Arabs did not need the CIA. So the notion that the Agency funded and trained the Afghan Arabs is, at best, misleading. The 'let's blame everything bad that happens on the CIA' school of thought vastly overestimates the Agency's powers, both for good and ill." [Holy War, Inc.: Inside the Secret World of Osama bin Laden (New York: The Free Press, 2001), pp. 64-66.]
Al Qaeda's number two leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri, confirmed that the "Afghan Arabs" did not receive any U.S. funding during the war in Afghanistan. In the book that was described as his last will, Knights Under the Prophet's Banner, which was serialized in December 2001 in Al-Sharq al-Awsat, al-Zawahiri says the Afghan Arabs were funded with money from Arab sources, which amounted to hundreds of millions of dollars:
"While the United States backed Pakistan and the mujahidin factions with money and equipment, the young Arab mujahidin's relationship with the United States was totally different."
"... The financing of the activities of the Arab mujahidin in Afghanistan came from aid sent to Afghanistan by popular organizations. It was substantial aid."
"The Arab mujahidin did not confine themselves to financing their own jihad but also carried Muslim donations to the Afghan mujahidin themselves. Usama Bin Ladin has apprised me of the size of the popular Arab support for the Afghan mujahidin that amounted, according to his sources, to $200 million in the form of military aid alone in 10 years. Imagine how much aid was sent by popular Arab organizations in the non-military fields such as medicine and health, education and vocational training, food, and social assistance ...."
"Through the unofficial popular support, the Arab mujahidin established training centers and centers for the call to the faith. They formed fronts that trained and equipped thousands of Arab mujahidin and provided them with living expenses, housing, travel and organization." (Al-Sharq al-Awsat, December 3, 2001, Foreign Broadcast Information Service (FBIS), GMP20011202000401)
Abdullah Anas, an Algerian who was one of the foremost Afghan Arab organizers and the son-in-law of Abdullah Azzam, has also confirmed that the CIA had no relationship with the Afghan Arabs. Speaking on the French television program Zone Interdit on September 12, 2004, Anas stated:
"If you say there was a relationship in the sense that the CIA used to meet with Arabs, discuss with them, prepare plans with them, and to fight with them -- it never happened."
Milt Bearden served as the CIA station chief in Pakistan from 1986 to 1989, where he was in charge of running the covert action program for Afghanistan. In his memoirs titled "The Main Enemy: The Inside Story of the CIA's Final Showdown with the KGB," Bearden says the United States, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, China, Egypt, and the UK were "major players" in the effort to aid the Afghans. Bearden writes:
"[President Jimmy] Carter's national security adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, had in 1980 secured an agreement from the Saudi king to match American contributions to the Afghan effort dollar for dollar, and [Reagan administration CIA director] Bill Casey kept that agreement going over the years." (The Main Enemy, p. 219)
From 1983 to 1987, Brigadier Mohammad Yousaf was in charge of the Afghan Bureau of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), which ran Pakistan's covert program to aid the Afghan mujahidin. In his book The Bear Trap: Afghanistan's Untold Story, Brigadier Yousaf confirms the matching U.S.-Saudi arrangement, stating:
"For every dollar supplied by the US, another was added by the Saudi Arabian government. The combined funds, running into several hundred million dollars a year, were transferred by the CIA to special accounts in Pakistan under the control of the ISI." (The Bear Trap, p. 81)
Bearden makes it clear that the CIA covert action program did not fund any Arabs or other Muslims to come to the jihad:
"Contrary to what people have come to imagine, the CIA never recruited, trained, or otherwise used Arab volunteers. The Afghans were more than happy to do their own fighting -- we saw no reason not to satisfy them on this point." (The Main Enemy, p. 243)
Marc Sageman worked closely with the Afghan mujahideen as one of Milt Bearden's case officers, from 1987 to 1989. In his book, Understanding Terror Networks, he writes:
"No U.S. official ever came in contact with the foreign volunteers. They simply traveled in different circles and never crossed U.S. radar screens. They had their own sources of money and their own contacts with the Pakistanis, official Saudis, and other Muslim supporters, and they made their own deals with the various Afghan resistance leaders. Their presence in Afghanistan was very small and they did not participate in any significant fighting." (Understanding Terror Networks, pp. 57-58.)
The Central Intelligence Agency has issued a statement categorically denying that it ever had any relationship with Osama bin Laden. It stated, in response to the hypothetical question "Has the CIA ever provided funding, training, or other support to Usama Bin Laden?":
"No. Numerous comments in the media recently have reiterated a widely circulated but incorrect notion that the CIA once had a relationship with Usama Bin Laden. For the record, you should know that the CIA never employed, paid, or maintained any relationship whatsoever with Bin Laden (emphasis in original)."
In summary:
• U.S. covert aid went to the Afghans, not to the "Afghan Arabs."
• The "Afghan Arabs" were funded by Arab sources, not by the United States.
• United States never had "any relationship whatsoever" with Osama bin Laden.
• The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Arab backing for the "Afghan Arabs," and bin Laden's own decisions "created" Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda, not the United States.
http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/24-318760.html
Allegations that the U.S. provided funding for bin Laden proved inaccurate
The United States did not "create" Osama bin Laden or al Qaeda. The United States supported the Afghans fighting for their country's freedom -- as did other countries, including Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, China, Egypt, and the UK -- but the United States did not support the "Afghan Arabs," the Arabs and other Muslims who came to fight in Afghanistan for broader goals. CNN terrorism analyst Peter Bergen notes that the "Afghan Arabs functioned independently and had their own sources of funding." He notes:
"While the charges that the CIA was responsible for the rise of the Afghan Arabs might make good copy, they don't make good history. The truth is more complicated, tinged with varying shades of gray. The United States wanted to be able to deny that the CIA was funding the Afghan war, so its support was funneled through Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence agency (ISI). ISI in turn made the decisions about which Afghan factions to arm and train, tending to favor the most Islamist and pro-Pakistan. The Afghan Arabs generally fought alongside those factions, which is how the charge arose that they were creatures of the CIA.
Former CIA official Milt Bearden, who ran the Agency's Afghan operation in the late 1980s, says, "The CIA did not recruit Arabs," as there was no need to do so. There were hundreds of thousands of Afghans all too willing to fight, and the Arabs who did come for jihad were "very disruptive . . . the Afghans thought they were a pain in the ass." Similar sentiments from Afghans who appreciated the money that flowed from the Gulf but did not appreciate the Arabs' holier-than-thou attempts to convert them to their ultra-purist version of Islam. Freelance cameraman Peter Jouvenal recalls: "There was no love lost between the Afghans and the Arabs. One Afghan told me, ‘Whenever we had a problem with one of them we just shot them. They thought they were kings.'"
... There was simply no point in the CIA and the Afghan Arabs being in contact with each other. ... the Afghan Arabs functioned independently and had their own sources of funding. The CIA did not need the Afghan Arabs, and the Afghan Arabs did not need the CIA. So the notion that the Agency funded and trained the Afghan Arabs is, at best, misleading. The 'let's blame everything bad that happens on the CIA' school of thought vastly overestimates the Agency's powers, both for good and ill." [Holy War, Inc.: Inside the Secret World of Osama bin Laden (New York: The Free Press, 2001), pp. 64-66.]
Al Qaeda's number two leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri, confirmed that the "Afghan Arabs" did not receive any U.S. funding during the war in Afghanistan. In the book that was described as his last will, Knights Under the Prophet's Banner, which was serialized in December 2001 in Al-Sharq al-Awsat, al-Zawahiri says the Afghan Arabs were funded with money from Arab sources, which amounted to hundreds of millions of dollars:
"While the United States backed Pakistan and the mujahidin factions with money and equipment, the young Arab mujahidin's relationship with the United States was totally different."
"... The financing of the activities of the Arab mujahidin in Afghanistan came from aid sent to Afghanistan by popular organizations. It was substantial aid."
"The Arab mujahidin did not confine themselves to financing their own jihad but also carried Muslim donations to the Afghan mujahidin themselves. Usama Bin Ladin has apprised me of the size of the popular Arab support for the Afghan mujahidin that amounted, according to his sources, to $200 million in the form of military aid alone in 10 years. Imagine how much aid was sent by popular Arab organizations in the non-military fields such as medicine and health, education and vocational training, food, and social assistance ...."
"Through the unofficial popular support, the Arab mujahidin established training centers and centers for the call to the faith. They formed fronts that trained and equipped thousands of Arab mujahidin and provided them with living expenses, housing, travel and organization." (Al-Sharq al-Awsat, December 3, 2001, Foreign Broadcast Information Service (FBIS), GMP20011202000401)
Abdullah Anas, an Algerian who was one of the foremost Afghan Arab organizers and the son-in-law of Abdullah Azzam, has also confirmed that the CIA had no relationship with the Afghan Arabs. Speaking on the French television program Zone Interdit on September 12, 2004, Anas stated:
"If you say there was a relationship in the sense that the CIA used to meet with Arabs, discuss with them, prepare plans with them, and to fight with them -- it never happened."
Milt Bearden served as the CIA station chief in Pakistan from 1986 to 1989, where he was in charge of running the covert action program for Afghanistan. In his memoirs titled "The Main Enemy: The Inside Story of the CIA's Final Showdown with the KGB," Bearden says the United States, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, China, Egypt, and the UK were "major players" in the effort to aid the Afghans. Bearden writes:
"[President Jimmy] Carter's national security adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, had in 1980 secured an agreement from the Saudi king to match American contributions to the Afghan effort dollar for dollar, and [Reagan administration CIA director] Bill Casey kept that agreement going over the years." (The Main Enemy, p. 219)
From 1983 to 1987, Brigadier Mohammad Yousaf was in charge of the Afghan Bureau of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), which ran Pakistan's covert program to aid the Afghan mujahidin. In his book The Bear Trap: Afghanistan's Untold Story, Brigadier Yousaf confirms the matching U.S.-Saudi arrangement, stating:
"For every dollar supplied by the US, another was added by the Saudi Arabian government. The combined funds, running into several hundred million dollars a year, were transferred by the CIA to special accounts in Pakistan under the control of the ISI." (The Bear Trap, p. 81)
Bearden makes it clear that the CIA covert action program did not fund any Arabs or other Muslims to come to the jihad:
"Contrary to what people have come to imagine, the CIA never recruited, trained, or otherwise used Arab volunteers. The Afghans were more than happy to do their own fighting -- we saw no reason not to satisfy them on this point." (The Main Enemy, p. 243)
Marc Sageman worked closely with the Afghan mujahideen as one of Milt Bearden's case officers, from 1987 to 1989. In his book, Understanding Terror Networks, he writes:
"No U.S. official ever came in contact with the foreign volunteers. They simply traveled in different circles and never crossed U.S. radar screens. They had their own sources of money and their own contacts with the Pakistanis, official Saudis, and other Muslim supporters, and they made their own deals with the various Afghan resistance leaders. Their presence in Afghanistan was very small and they did not participate in any significant fighting." (Understanding Terror Networks, pp. 57-58.)
The Central Intelligence Agency has issued a statement categorically denying that it ever had any relationship with Osama bin Laden. It stated, in response to the hypothetical question "Has the CIA ever provided funding, training, or other support to Usama Bin Laden?":
"No. Numerous comments in the media recently have reiterated a widely circulated but incorrect notion that the CIA once had a relationship with Usama Bin Laden. For the record, you should know that the CIA never employed, paid, or maintained any relationship whatsoever with Bin Laden (emphasis in original)."
In summary:
• U.S. covert aid went to the Afghans, not to the "Afghan Arabs."
• The "Afghan Arabs" were funded by Arab sources, not by the United States.
• United States never had "any relationship whatsoever" with Osama bin Laden.
• The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Arab backing for the "Afghan Arabs," and bin Laden's own decisions "created" Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda, not the United States.
http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/24-318760.html
^^ You expect people to believe that? That is from the government. Of course they will DENY having involvement or proclaim innocence. :dead:
You just wasted bandwidth by posting that. Can you post anything from an OUTSIDE investigation that has nothing to gain, is credible and unbiased proclaiming such innocence?
You just wasted bandwidth by posting that. Can you post anything from an OUTSIDE investigation that has nothing to gain, is credible and unbiased proclaiming such innocence?
THESE LINKS RIGHT HERE SAY THAT THE U.S DID TRAIN EM
http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?invocationType=topsearchbox.webhome&query="U.S.+TRAINED+OSAMA"
http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?invocationType=topsearchbox.webhome&query="U.S.+TRAINED+OSAMA"
heres some links sayin they didnt wtf
http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search...chbox.webhome&query="U.S+did+not+train+Osama"
http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search...chbox.webhome&query="U.S+did+not+train+Osama"
You are really a gay homo if you keep the "This message is hidden" in a TXT file and copy/paste it when you don't feel like replying to someone.
You are acting like a gay. That is just real. There is a difference between following someone around from thread to thread, and calling them out in one thread.
You talk shit about the States all day long, but you are not leaving. Period. You just aren't. You talk this shit about planning to move, and months have passed and you have not done shit. You are 0 steps closer. You ain't going nowhere.
(It's a shame you can't respond to this, because I'm on ignore. That is, unless i'm not, and then you can, but you'll need to explain why you lied. Which you'll probably write off as "I just took him off", which makes me wonder why you even bothered in the first place. Eh.)
You are acting like a gay. That is just real. There is a difference between following someone around from thread to thread, and calling them out in one thread.
You talk shit about the States all day long, but you are not leaving. Period. You just aren't. You talk this shit about planning to move, and months have passed and you have not done shit. You are 0 steps closer. You ain't going nowhere.
(It's a shame you can't respond to this, because I'm on ignore. That is, unless i'm not, and then you can, but you'll need to explain why you lied. Which you'll probably write off as "I just took him off", which makes me wonder why you even bothered in the first place. Eh.)
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Tadou stop violating rule #2. Please stick to the topic, leave the insults at the door if they have nothing to do with the topic and refrain from thread hi-jacking. I am not going to argue with you or insult you. Concerning me leaving the states I told you to hit me on pm or email, and I would explain it to you.
If you have a problem with me please pm or email me. No need to violate rule #3.
Have a blessed day.
-Members who continue to violate rule 2 will receive at least 1 warning. If the user continues to ignore this rule and my warnings they may be banned.
3). If you have a problem with a member, please try and take it to PM rather than hijacking threads or contact me.
Tadou stop violating rule #2. Please stick to the topic, leave the insults at the door if they have nothing to do with the topic and refrain from thread hi-jacking. I am not going to argue with you or insult you. Concerning me leaving the states I told you to hit me on pm or email, and I would explain it to you.
If you have a problem with me please pm or email me. No need to violate rule #3.
Have a blessed day.
