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Hemp

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Ethereal

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So if we choose not to believe or watch these videos, we are sheep, BUT- if we do watch and believe them we are not? Is this not a self-conflicting statement, as the purpose of this thread is to guide people from the herd, but in doing so, you are really just leading them to a different herd; One whos beliefs are just as fallacious as those of someone waking up every morning to read the Associated Press for their daily intake of world news.

I find it terribly ironic that the same people who are labeling pro-American's sheep are the same people who were duped into having their entire political outlook changed by a line of low quality anti-government videos. Now here's the kicker. These "sheep" are labeled as such because (for example) they read the paper and it says "Saddam is an evil dictator", and they believe it. However, those doing the labeling are watching these videos and are being told: How "hi-jackers" manipulated voices through use of cell phones, the temperatures at which certain metals can and can not melt, and how government officials sneaked into the WTC with explosives. You were told all of these things and believed them. And I know not a single one of you even went to a website to verify these melting points. They tell you of a technology that can manipulate anyone’s voice while indirectly saying that, this is how the phone calls were made to the families from one of the planes. You believed it. It doesn't stop here.

Those of you with "YOUR EYES OPEN" are just a different breed of sheep. But you are just as gullible, ignorant and misguided as everyone else.
 
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Hemp

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http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/1/31/91642/9872


should i wonder about these questions? or should i simply believe what the "official" story was that makes no sense , and when officials are questioned those questions(link) they hesitate or not answer?


howcome still no answers comming from bush to verify that the conspiracys are simply theories and not truth?

hmm, doesnt take that much to figure out whos lying n whos not.

but i remember tellin fridge that because we are after something that we suspect is real, we come across LOTS of evidence that include COMMON SENSE, so we stand our grounds.

i mean i know the right wing crew are only trying to defend their belief, and whatever it takes to defend it they will do.
even when evidence is right in front of their face they will continue to say this is fake, this isnt real, why? because they only see their job as to defend what they stand for and NOT their job being to find out what they stand for.

i mean seriously look into it man, ask your self which makes more sense?
howcome after 9/11 many predicted that the world will be where we are today? isnt it eerie how bush said somethin like "another pearl harbor" about 911?

im not trying to go against you im just trying to show you where we come from.
 
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Fucky McFuckerson

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Nitro the Guru said:
So if we choose not to believe or watch these videos, we are sheep, BUT- if we do watch and believe them we are not? Is this not a self-conflicting statement, as the purpose of this thread is to guide people from the herd, but in doing so, you are really just leading them to a different herd; One whos beliefs are just as fallacious as those of someone waking up every morning to read the Associated Press for their daily intake of world news.

I find it terribly ironic that the same people who are labeling pro-American's sheep are the same people who were duped into having their entire political outlook changed by a line of low quality anti-government videos. Now here's the kicker. These "sheep" are labeled as such because (for example) they read the paper and it says "Saddam is an evil dictator", and they believe it. However, those doing the labeling are watching these videos and are being told: How "hi-jackers" manipulated voices through use of cell phones, the temperatures at which certain metals can and can not melt, and how government officials sneaked into the WTC with explosives. You were told all of these things and believed them. And I know not a single one of you even went to a website to verify these melting points. They tell you of a technology that can manipulate anyone’s voice while indirectly saying that, this is how the phone calls were made to the families from one of the planes. You believed it. It doesn't stop here.

Those of you with "YOUR EYES OPEN" are just a different breed of sheep. But you are just as gullible, ignorant and misguided as everyone else.
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I agree...we are ALL sheep..becuase we ALL have beliefs derived from SOMEONE or SOMETHING we truly bought into...
 
Ethereal

Ethereal

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I think you are misunderstanding my position. I'm not trying to hint towards what really happened because, I can not be sure. I too believe the government was involved, or at the very least, neglegent in our security. You say they do not answer those questions, but would you really know if they did? Has anyone asked them? We do not live in a Direct Democracy and are not privied to this information all the time. I'm sure they are only answering to whom they have to and even then it's behind closed doors.

I am not in any right-wing crew. I don't like Bush any more than you do, but I don't care too much to see another President elected to pick up where he left off. As I said before these videos could be 100% true, or they could be entirely false. My point was simply this:

Is this not a self-conflicting statement, as the purpose of this thread is to guide people from the herd, but in doing so, you are really just leading them to a different herd; One whos beliefs are just as fallacious as those of someone waking up every morning to read the Associated Press for their daily intake of world news.
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Most of the content in these videos can not be validated, and the same goes for those with their reasons for rejecting it. Yet both stand strong in their beliefs. How is one a sheep and not the other?
 
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Hemp

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Nitro the Guru said:
I think you are misunderstanding my position. I'm not trying to hint towards what really happened because, I can not be sure. I too believe the government was involved, or at the very least, neglegent in our security. You say they do not answer those questions, but would you really know if they did? Has anyone asked them? We do not live in a Direct Democracy and are not privied to this information all the time. I'm sure they are only answering to whom they have to and even then it's behind closed doors.

I am not in any right-wing crew. I don't like Bush any more than you do, but I don't care too much to see another President elected to pick up where he left off. As I said before these videos could be 100% true, or they could be entirely false. My point was simply this:



Most of the content in these videos can not be validated, and the same goes for those with their reasons for rejecting it. Yet both stand strong in their beliefs. How is one a sheep and not the other?
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u said " You say they do not answer those questions, but would you really know if they did? "
if i was a loyal president of some country i would go AT LEAST give the people what they want and fully investigate to PROVE to them that it IS just a theory and not real.

we already agreed that both sides are sheep.
its just a matter of which sheep is correct?
and like i explained in my other post, the conspiracy sheeps seem to come across alot of evidence of somethin fishy goin on, evidence that requires common sense, that the right wing sheep seem to never come across , because they arent looking that way.
the same way the conspiracy sheep are looking for somethin to support their beliefs, the right wing sheep are denying and or not looking in that direction.

why did i say the right wing sheep are denying evidence and not "the same way the conspiracy sheep are looking for somethin to support their beliefs, the right wing sheeps are looking for somethin to support their beliefs" ?

because nobody has yet posted something on here , that proves something thats brought up to be invalid.
they have brought up a document or a video that fights the conspiracy theorist's theories.

is there none?

ps i know u arent right wing but im just sayin
 
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Hemp

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Nitro the Guru said:
Just out of curiosity, why did the government track down and destroy the final plane before it could get to it's target?
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i dont know. what did the government say the reason was? defend the americans?
 
Ethereal

Ethereal

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I'm not saying both sides are sheep, but that anyone who watches these videos and bases any conclusion on them might be suspect. The same goes for those who base their opinions on television, newspapers or online resources. It is not my intent to expose anyone. It was said that these videos are not for the "sheep" out there, but it was asked for people to open their eyes. Who is to open their eyes? It is either the "sheep" or people whos eyes are already open and will find nothing new in these videos. I really have nothing further to say about it.

Hemp said:
i dont know. what did the government say the reason was? defend the americans?
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Well I don't know, thats why I'm curious. Was the government defending Americans on 9/11 or destroying them? It seems odd that they track this plane down, destroy it, then deny it.
 
LISICKI

LISICKI

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Sheep follow the rest of the heard without question, they have no independant thought process, every decision they make is made for them beforhand.

either you are a sheep or you think for yourself, form your own opinions, make your own moves, remain skeptical, etc etc.
 
Fridge

Fridge

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Hemp said:
^yup
but that doesnt mean because we are all sheep we are all wrong right?

one of the two sides of the sheep is correct
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If this all about 'being right' than my original stance stands. You're just a sheep being herded into another direction.

You have to realize that life is not about being right... wars are started in the name of being right... children are killed just to make a point... good people go to great lengths just to be right.

Why can't we all just get along, despite what we may think or believe, this 'being right' garbage is just seperating us and keeping us from our full potential.

To be completely honest, I'd rather have George Bush on my team than directly against me. I watch Fox news the same way I watch these 12 minute YouTube videos... the information on both of them can be valuable. But once I get to a certain point, I turn them off, I formulate an opinion and then I see how I can utilize what I've learned to better achieve my personal goals.

Work for yourself, advance your own interests, don't become a victim of the media, don't live in fear, don't live in hate, live in the moment. That's all we have.
 
UsA'sMostWanted

UsA'sMostWanted

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^^^^you are lost, i choose to have you be this way than any other, it keeps you where you are.....at no importance to the rest of the mortals tha soil this rock, please continue to send water through the plumbing in your houshold so that your dollar can fly into my pocket. enough said.
 
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