**OFFICIAL PLAYOFF PREDICTIONS: Conference Finals**

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May 18, 2006
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wow, so many people against the suns winning?


btw
suns already made it to conference finals

imagine how UNSTOPPABLE theyre gonna be WITH AMARE.

what if they win finals thsi year without him?

Holy crap.
 
May 22, 2006
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LaKeRzz8 said:
I know everyone has their opinion but Heat in 5? You know they're playing the Pistons right?
yaa i know, if the pistons had swept the cavs..i prolly would pick um in 5.. but they just arent playing with the same intensity as the pistons of old. but i ono we'll see.
 

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That damn Steve Nash.... I will admit that man does have heart. He maybe the best point guard I've ever seen play. And I've been watching basketball for a while. Offensively Nash doesn't have a weakness.
 
May 2, 2002
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XxSiCCWiDIt05xX said:
is amare on the playoff roster. just wondering if he could still play in the finals.
yeah he is on the roster.. but he definitely wont be playing till next season. Im just hopin K Thomas can come back this series
 
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SixFifty said:
wow, so many people against the suns winning?


btw
suns already made it to conference finals

imagine how UNSTOPPABLE theyre gonna be WITH AMARE.

what if they win finals thsi year without him?

Holy crap.
Amare could be done... A lot of people don't recover from that surgery, and nobody has been as good after they got the surgery that he got.. Especially, with his type of game... It will probably kill his career..
 
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What? I saw a list of players who got that surgery, and virtually none of them were ever the same.. Anfernee Hardaway, Chris Webber...

Plus he didn't help his cause when he was rushed back this season... He'll have a messed up knee the rest of his career, most likely.

I don't get what was so wrong about that comment?
 
Jan 2, 2004
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LIST:

A CLOUDY PROGNOSIS

A return to 100 percent after microfracture surgery is anything but certain. Here is a quick list of players who recently have undergone the procedure (with the players' age at the time of the surgery):

Terrell Brandon: 31 (February '02) -- Retired because of the injury.

Pat Garrity: 27 (December '03) -- Came back the following season, then tore his ACL in the same knee last April.

Penny Hardaway: 28 (May '00) -- Seems like he finally has given up on coming back.

Matt Harpring: 29 (June '05) -- Averaging 25.4 minutes, the fewest since his second season.

Allan Houston: 32 (June '03) -- Never was the same player; retired before the start of this season.

Jason Kidd: 31 (July '04) -- Says his knee is as good as ever; his game almost is, too.

Kerry Kittles: 26 (June '00) -- Sat out the 2000-01 season before playing in every game the next year.

Karl Malone: 40 (June '04) -- Says his knee recovered six months later, but he hasn't played since the surgery.

Kenyon Martin: 27 (May '05) -- Has struggled all season because of troubles with the surgically repaired knee.

Jamal Mashburn: 30 (November '03) -- Also sustained other injuries that led to an early retirement.

Eduardo Najera: 26 (December '02) -- Came back less than two months after surgery and later admitted that wasn't smart.

Zach Randolph: 23 (March '05) -- Less than a year later, is averaging 18.7 points and 35.1 minutes.

Bryon Russell: 34 (November '05) -- Already near the end of his career, he has played 3 minutes since the surgery.

John Stockton: 35 (October '97) -- Went on to have several more productive seasons, but he was a medical marvel.

Chris Webber: 30 (June '03) -- Two-plus years later, he still isn't the Webber of old but is close.

Alvin Williams: 30 (November '04) -- Played in one game before having surgery on the same knee in December.
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=75318

Webber, Randolph, K-Mart, and Malone are the most comparable to Amare on that list, as they are all Power Forwards and only one of them came back from the injury successfully (Randolph). And Amare relies a lot more on his jumping than any of those guys, and will put a lot more into his knee than any of those guys.. The majority of guys who get the surgery, especially big men, and dunkers, are never the same after getting the surgery... Hopefully Amare has gotten even better at the midrange game, because he'll probably need it.

Even though it's not the same exact injury, I think the closest comparison would be Antonio McDyess... He's never been the same since he injured his knees.. He was a perennial all-star before, a lot like Amare actually, not as good, because Amare is a beast, but he was a lot like him, and then he fucked his knees up.. Dyess is a mid-range player now, and Amare may have to change his game, too...

You have to face it that Amare may never be the same player again.. He'll probably still be a good player, but he could become a very injury prone player because having this surgery so young means that he's very prone to get more knee injuries..

Honestly, I hope he comes back and does good, as he's one of my favorite players, but knee injuries are fucked up, and you never know what's going to happen..
 
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Terrell Brandon, Pat Garrity, Matt Harpring, Bryon Russell, and Alvin Williams were all booty to begin with. I dunno why you'd even bring them up.

Allan Houston was old as shit when he got the surgery.

Jason Kidd bounced back 100% at the age of 31

Kerry Kittles is back to his regular game

Karl Malone bounced back just fine

Kenyon Martin just got his shit worked on like a year ago

Jamal Mashburn was 30 years old when he got his surgery

Eduardo Najera came back 100%

Zach Randolph is still recovering


John Stockton came back 100%

In fact, the only players that have had their careers end because of it are penny hardaway and chris webber.

Amare is 23. the fracture was smaller than ANY of the players you mentioned. his knees are in perfect condition aside from that legion. and the surgery went off without a hitch. he'll be back 100% next year just like half the other players that have gotten the surgery.
 
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I didn't bring those players up, they were all in the article..

Terrell Brandon was actually pretty good before the surgery...

Karl Malone didn't bounce back, he retired and never played another game...

Kenyon Martin got the surgery about six months before Amare, and he is mose comparible to Amare.. He's not near as good, but there game's are the most similar...

I'm just saying the majority of the players who get the surgery don't bounce back a 100%.. I hope Amare does, but the way he normally plays, to me, it doesn't seem like he will since he uses his legs so much.. With all the jumping he does.. It's like Vince Carter and his leg problems..
 

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I see both of your points but I'll have to go with Robby. He's making some good points. But Amare has super hops so he might turn out ok. That fool can jump already.
 
May 18, 2006
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Webber, Randolph, K-Mart, and Malone are the most comparable to Amare on that list, as they are all Power Forwards and only one of them came back from the injury successfully (Randolph). And Amare relies a lot more on his jumping than any of those guys, and will put a lot more into his knee than any of those guys.. The majority of guys who get the surgery, especially big men, and dunkers, are never the same after getting the surgery... Hopefully Amare has gotten even better at the midrange game, because he'll probably need it.
Webber? i wouldnt say his career is done, he did have the surgery at 30 years old, but he bounced back pretty good, compare his 02-03 (presurgery) numbers to his 05-06 numbers, and its about 3 point diff, half a rebound and 2 apg. not bad.

Kmart? its only been a year, give him time, his numbers havent been affected much, only a slight difference, 2 ppg, 1rpg, nothing more than 1 in any other category.

Malone? his career was done anyways. 40 years old? how can you compare a 23 year old to that anyway?

only way to know for sure is wait to see what happens to amare.