One note about Madden, since this thread is fucked anyway. Zero, again we don't normally disagree, but in this case, Madden 10 really is a different game just because of all the upgrades EA made to the game this year. From the smoothness of gameplay to the tackling engine, it is a whole lot better. That being said EA loses the exclusivity license with the NFL after this year so they had to pull out all of the stops, to try to sink its hooks into the Madden fanbase before other companies can begin to make NFL licensed games.