GOM THROWBACK 2
I'm not gonna get into a pissing contest over semantics.
You call it a pissing contest...
I said that gunning down cops wasn't the answer.
And I'm saying it's the byproduct of cops gunning down civilians. Moreover, when asked what is the solution, you replied with, "I'll fully admit that I don't know the better way, although I do have suggestions." So you have no better way, yet you have suggestions, and that suggestion simply boils down to "don't fight violence with violence." LOL! Once again, HISTORY shows that when you mistreat a certain way, for a period of time, they will rise up and revolt. Is it right meaning it's morally acceptable or is it right in the since that it's human nature and the fight to flight response going from flight to fight?
You decided to quote me and address me directly and tell me why you think it was a good thing that those cops got murdered.
That's a lie. Where in my original post did I say it was a "good thing" that those cops got murdered? I simply explained why it happened and why it continued to happen. You misconstrued what was typed, that's on you not me as I made myself very clear.
I understand that you think I took sides and I'm sorry you perceive things that way...
The power structure started this, the cops, which are an extension of it, reinforce it. Yes, social inequities are causing our society to crumble, but when you attempt to address these inequities, you're met with all types of resistance and the blame is put back on you and you're accused of whining or being a SJW for pointing it out.
But I don't think any violence is the answer, you do. That's it. That's the difference. You're okay with murdering innocent people. I'm not.
SMH. When you repeatedly kill innocent people, at some point, innocent people on your side are going to start dropping like flies. When that happens it's too late to say "no, they're innocent don't kill them" because you should have been trying to curtail all that shit from the gates. THAT'S what I am trying to get you to see. That one side is looking at it as justice because they have had no reprieve when shit happens.
Like I said before, if you think murdering people will solve things, explain to me how its going to get the job done.
See above. I've said to address the initial force of violence like 99 times now. How many times do I have to keep saying it or do I need to type it a different way?
If you came forward with any reasonable argument, I'd take it into consideration.
See above.
And you do? I seem to recall you saying, "I'll fully admit that I don't know the better way" so why are you assuming I haven't offered a reasonable argument? Address the source of the violence, which you have shown you're incapable of doing, and stop turning the oppressed into the oppressor, which you have shown you're highly capable of doing, and then you'll have your "reasonable argument."
You're not a constructive person. You're destructive. You pick apart other people's arguments, but never offer an actual solution of your own.
More lies.
Just like how you want to burn society down
More lies. In no post in this thread did I advocate burning society down.
but haven't given one constructive thought on how it would heal or rebuild after you finished murdering all the cops and setting the world on fire.
Why would I when that isn't my premise?
You are an extremely intelligent dude, but if you don't have an end game, you're acting out of emotion, rather than with a plan.
See above. Now let me dig a bit deeper, there needs to be a cultural shift within the black community
FIRST. The cultural shift needs to involve less guns, policing our own neighborhoods, spending money within our own communities or with each other, and shedding the dead weight like Louis, Al, Jesse, Cosby, NAACP or anyone who shows they're out of touch with current affairs. We need to stop saving money for our kids college tuition and save money for them to open businesses. We need to look into S.T.E.A.M initiatives and embrace that instead of these crooked black churches and black schools. So, until blacks start uniting like other people, and focusing on internal issues, which go beyond the 60's then things for us as a nation of people, won't change.
Now speaking as a citizen of this country, no one can do anything against this system as long as it continues to masquerade as a republic or democracy, instead of what it truly is which is an oligarchy, plutocracy, hegemony and corporatocracy all wrapped into one. You have the SCOTUS ruling that police have no duty to protect and serve. You have federal judges agreeing that a religious symbol, something this country is supposed to protect, is reasonable suspicion of criminal activity. So, as a citizen of this country, the only way I'm NOT fucked is if I leave and, even then, I'm not free from the stranglehold.
Meanwhile, there are plenty of "pussy" things in life that I can to do make a difference...
Then do it!!!!!!! Am I stopping you? Am I saying to not do those things? If you feel that's the path you need to take to make a dent in this world, no matter how small or how large it may be, do it. However, don't knock me when I'm getting to the root of the problem and saying that innocent people being targeted is a by product of the sweep it under the rug mentality. There are people here I've helped with the expungement process. When I go around Vallejo and Berkeley handing out the food bags that come from money I make from music and other shit, I do it, don't say much about it and don't look for anything in return. I am simply playing the role I am capable of playing at the time. However, I am not going to call shit down the middle and address what needs to be addressed.
We live in a fucked up place. I'm not gonna give up and justify murdering someone. I'm not gonna say that a sniper killing an innocent human being should get a medal.
He should. If were rewarding depravity, and clearly this society has, why shouldn't he have gotten a medal? We give medals when we invade other countries under the false pretenses of war and liberation so why shouldn't we award this guy? See how it works when shit is on your porch?
I don't agree that things aren't getting accomplished...
Change happens? Ok, blacks don't have to go inside through the back, can sit on the bus and can own property. At the same that that's going on an employer is throwing out an application because the name on it is Deshawn. At the same time a young black male is given five years for two rocks while a white kid just got caught with five kilos and is given three years probation and 50 hours of community service. Yes, things are changing.
WTF? "your cause?" What is this "cause" you speak of? LMAO!
I'm not trying to shift the blame on those who are oppressed.
You are correct. You're not
trying, you
have.
But if you think the oppressors are just gonna let you murder some cops and come back and be like "damn we were being dicks, we're sorry", I'm not the unrealistic one. I think it is EVERYONES responsibility to fix this. And that involves not killing, not taking sides, and coming together. It would be possible to do that if it weren't for people on the fringes.
And if you think the oppressors are going to let up off the gas because you're peacefully protesting, holding hands, having interfaith prayers and all types of other shit, then you are the unrealistic one. Yes, it is everyone's responsibility to fix it but when certain people behave as if they are under no obligation to fix it, then it won't get fixed and that is part of the problem.
I couldn't imagine where pacificist pussies like Ghandi and Mandela would be if they'd done things your way.
Where did it get them and what did it accomplish? India is fucked and women are treated like 9th world citizens there. Mandela was thrown in jail and SA is still in ruins. Where did your way, which is the way of not addressing all the issues and passing the buck, get anyone? Where did it get the people of Greenwood? East St. Louis? Knoxville? Rosewood? Where did it get King?
But I do apologize for calling you an extremist. I honestly thought you'd be proud of that label.
Fuck no, because I am not calling for the destruction of people and being an "extremist" is basically the same as being a "terrorist" today. As a black man, what I am calling for is for blacks to wake up and embrace a cultural shift that focuses more on addressing our problems and how blacks deal with blacks and I think this needs to be done internally and with minimal outside help. As a citizen of this country, I am calling for people to refrain from voting, to really start addressing these politicians, law makers, lobbyists, etc and to stop sweeping shit under the rug and protecting those in power when miscarriages of justice occur.
The smart thing to do would be to put aside the pissing contest and figure out what can actually be done to fix things, on all sides.
I am saying nothing different from what he is saying.
BTW, when I quoted Butcher and typed LOL, there was a reason for that and it has to do with the other thread.