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exactly. you cant have a special police union that works differently. unions only care about their own kind. they only do good for their workers, and everybody on the outside pays the price.
In the US, you would not have any worker rights if it wasn't for unions, they exist because of unions.

So police unions have outsmarted the general public, what else is new? Lets not pretend that that is a difficult task.
 
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In the US, you would not have any worker rights if it wasn't for unions, they exist because of unions.
i agree with that. but unions aren't needed any more.

we'd have worker rights with out unions now. depending on the states. CA has hella worker rights. if an employer breaks a law, you can file a claim with a labor commissioner. the employer would have to break you off plus an additional penalty. i dont think you can file a claim with the labor commissioner if you're union. a lot of employers are dirty and a lot of employees are ignorant so them dirty employers dont get got. but there are plenty of laws on the employee's side. unions are just there to strong arm. negotiate deals. good for workers, bad for consumers. check out your local unions websites and see what the reps make. they dont give a fuck about you personally. they only give a fuck about you cus you're a number and numbers give them power. just like a politician. they even get voted in. like a politician.

Police unions aint no different than a Kaiser Permanente union. keep the union employees happy and keep their money up and keep them from getting fired and you keep your power and money. the philosophy is always the same.
 

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exactly. you cant have a special police union that works differently. unions only care about their own kind. they only do good for their workers, and everybody on the outside pays the price.
Tell that to SEIU 32BJ....they constantly fight for workers not in their union to get increased wages so that everybody across the board will benefit and society as a whole will have better working conditions.

When unions increase wages and benefits for union members, it indirectly increases wages and benefits for non-union members as well. Our income disparity in the US started growing at the same time unions started to decline (70s).

Saying unions aren't needed anymore is insane. Without unions, supervisers hire and fire with impunity. They commit racist hiring decisions. They pit people against each other. They keep wages low. They don't provide healthcare or benefits or unemployment or vacation days or health & welfare. They don't give retirement or pensions. They treat people like slaves. They fire pregnant women. Yeah, some states have some laws that help some people, but the fight isn't close to over yet.

We have the biggest income disparity in the United States since the great depression, and you think that workers rights are taken care of and we don't need unions anymore? That's insane.
 
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Tell that to SEIU 32BJ....they constantly fight for workers not in their union to get increased wages so that everybody across the board will benefit and society as a whole will have better working conditions.
i dont believe anything you posted, but as far as SEIU 32BJ, do you think they fight for workers not in their union based on principal? or based on them wanting to get a hold of that employer and set up shop? im pretty sure you think its based on principal, solely.
 
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You guys are crazy for thinking we don't need unions anymore. Lack of unions is exactly why we get fucked with no Vaseline and there isn't a damn thing we can do about it. Why? Only 6% of the private work force is unionized. 6%!!! Shit gets done in European countries because it's not 6 measly percent it's often 70-90% which means if they want something, the entire country can go on strike and shut shit down. We can't do anything with 6%.
 
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You guys are crazy for thinking we don't need unions anymore. Lack of unions is exactly why we get fucked with no Vaseline and there isn't a damn thing we can do about it.
how do we get fucked?


Shit gets done in European countries because it's not 6 measly percent it's often 70-90% which means if they want something, the entire country can go on strike and shut shit down. We can't do anything with 6%.
i dont see many Americans moving to Europe. it cant be that great over there.
 

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i dont believe anything you posted, but as far as SEIU 32BJ, do you think they fight for workers not in their union based on principal? or based on them wanting to get a hold of that employer and set up shop? im pretty sure you think its based on principal, solely.
I thought you were just uninformed but if you simply choose not to believe me, it makes you willfully ignorant.