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I'm gonna read this later tonight, but does this also have information on white on white crime especially in areas that are predominately white and impoverished? Criminals in poverty are going to commit crimes in their area and against the people in their area, whether they're white/black/latino. Impoverished neighborhoods tend to mostly consist of one major racial group per neighborhood, so of course crime within ones own race is going to be high.

It doesn't make it OK, but it seems like an easy talking point for people when this is discussed to say "oh yeah, what about black on black crime?!" without delving into it. Not to mention there are people within their communities trying to work for change.
 

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I'm gonna read this later tonight, but does this also have information on white on white crime especially in areas that are predominately white and impoverished? Criminals in poverty are going to commit crimes in their area and against the people in their area, whether they're white/black/latino. Impoverished neighborhoods tend to mostly consist of one major racial group per neighborhood, so of course crime within ones own race is going to be high.

It doesn't make it OK, but it seems like an easy talking point for people when this is discussed to say "oh yeah, what about black on black crime?!" without delving into it. Not to mention there are people within their communities trying to work for change.
Google NEW CENTURY FOUNDATION, they published it.
 

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if you're not American then it makes sense why you lack a nuanced understanding of this (and related) issues, because they are uniquely American. and why you would so flippantly dismiss slavery (of all things) with an arrogant "lol"

race relations filled w tension for hundreds of years, gun violence, strained relations between police and minority and low-income communities, slavery (lol), lack of access to the mainstream economy and the consequences of that etc. etc. etc. all easily waived off because you don't know what you don't know.

not being able to clearly communicate one's ideas falls on the writer as opposed to the audience, more times than not.
Never dismissed slavery. Read it again.
 
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It starts with a cultural shift within that community. People have to make a choice to resolve internal conflicts without guns and there need to be infrastructures in place so drugs, gangs, etc are no needed to make money.



Is your first sentence there a question or statement? Please clarify. I don't understand the second sentence, the third is a distortion of Still's and my position and the fourth sentence is a basardization of a quote and the power would reside with the people.



Who said it was going to solve the problem? I've always maintained that the sniping of five cops is a byproduct of an unresolved problem.

What do you feel the problem is and how should we tackle it?
What i was trying to say is you (and I) live in a democracy where the majority of the people agreed to have laws that need to be enforced by police.

In my opinion the real problem is the ghetto's. Ghetto's are the poor man's prison. When you dont have money, you're automatically going to live in a neighborhood with other poor people. Poor people cant afford nice houses with swimming pools. Poor people cant send their children to the best schools so poor people are less likely to get a good job. Obviously, poor people are going to commit crimes if they discover this is a way to give their family a decent meal. And because poor people live together in this society prison, they are going to influence each other and drag each other down in a vicious circle.

I live in a ghetto myself. Its not as bad as in America. We dont have a lot of shootings and gang activity in the Netherlands. But it's still a neighborhood where the majority of the people is using drugs, are physically or mentally handicapped and/or basically have a bad (criminal) attitude because we dont get a fair chance in society.

We need to get rid of the ghetto's by dividing money in a country in a more fair manner. People that already have a million dollars/euro's dont need another million on the bank to have a good living. We need another revolution, like it started in France in the 1800's with the decapitation of the rich and giving power back to the 'average' people.

When there's no ghetto's, there will be less crime. There will be no neighborhoods were cops only dare to enter wearing a bullet proof vest and a machine gun (im speaking of american ghetto's now). Cops are scared to enter these hoods because every idiot has a gun and might pull the trigger on them.

There will still be racist cops, but i truely believe there will be no more (or minimal) police violence when there are no ghetto's. There's no police violence in rich neighborhoods after all.

Reading back, I guess my solution to the problem is also a fantasy solution.....
 
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We don't need more cops, laws, and jails.

We need more mental health professionals, support networks, and mental health facilities.
it's not all about mental health. there's plenty of people running the streets doing crime against the innocent that are not mentally ill at all.

as far as mental health "professionals" and mental health facilities, it's not as simple as that. my dad was just in the hospital with cirrhosis. he was diagnosed homicidal schizophrenic in the 80's. the hospital sent a mental health doctor in to evaluate him. her conclusion was that he was only "delusional", and tho that is a symptom of schizophrenia, it is also a symptom of cirrhosis, so she charged it to that. since he didn't tell her he was hearing voices, she argued he wasn't schizophrenic, when the 2 days i saw him prior to her visit, up to about half an hour before her visit, and every day i've seen him after, he was telling me about the voices. also, she had no record of him being in the mental health facility since it's been so long. with that said, he could have easily walked into a gun store and bought a weapon, being homicidal. tho i don't think he coulda bought a weapon based on he is obviously "off". as far as facilities, there's plenty of laws in favor of the mentally ill, which in theory is good for them individually, but not so good on society.
 
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What i was trying to say is you (and I) live in a democracy where the majority of the people agreed to have laws that need to be enforced by police.....
This is false. The laws are usually not in any shape or form created by a majority of people in the US, they are created by an extremely small group of people, and often come into being from lobbyists, who work for the corporations, the rich and powerful, or from government agencies. This is not a representation of the average so called American. These laws are created without public control.
 
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This is false. The laws are usually not in any shape or form created by a majority of people in the US, they are created by an extremely small group of people, and often come into being from lobbyists, who work for the corporations, the rich and powerful, or from government agencies. This is not a representation of the average so called American. These laws are created without public control.
Ok dude. I didnt say the majority of the people create the laws, i said the majority of the people agreed there are laws that need to be enforced by police.

For example, in my country the majority of the people agree that when you commit a murder, you deserve to go to jail. And the police is going to put you in jail.

If you say these laws are not a representation of the average american, i guess the problems in America are bigger then i thought.......(yea, im being sarcastic here)

When you say laws are created without public control, how do you want to see laws being created? Should the US government create a Facebook page where every US citizien can cast a vote on a new law?
 
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No, I explained why I wanted to know. Several people asked you about it and you didn't answer but now all of a sudden I'm the bad guy for asking, getting my answer and then shedding light on your countries race problems?

Incredible.

ETA: lol@citing one example of social mobility as "proof" that things are just fine and that upward social mobility is the norm for everyone.
Yes you did explain why you wantend to know. And you did not shine a light on anything except pointing it away from the current conversation.
You just pasted two links of nothing saying articles, which I would be astounded if you spend more then 30 sec on a search engine and added the word "incredible" lmao
As if I can't post in this topic because my country has race problems too lol


You were actually the first that asked where I'm from. I posted a comment and stillhuslin said something about me not being american.

Nobody said upward social mobility is the norm I am well aware that it is not, just as it is not a race thing and I did not post that video as "proof"
Just to show how it also can go.
Just as any of you all that played basketball in high school had the same opertunities as Michael Jordan.
 

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It starts with a cultural shift within that community. People have to make a choice to resolve internal conflicts without guns and there need to be infrastructures in place so drugs, gangs, etc are no needed to make money.
You mean like Community Revolution In Progress? Or the CRIPS which subsequently led to the formation of the Bloods, which are now the two most violent street gangs in America?

The changes have to come to individuals, this community / group / tribe mentality is toxic, admits that you're weaker than everyone else and have to band together to change, and has been tried before and completely failed, costing hundreds of thousands of lives and trllions of dollars in damage. All other countries can prosper in peace and don't have a gun violence problem because they don't have this toxic criminal element.

I like how you intentionally leave all of your statements open and extremely vague so you can immediately say "That's not what i said".
 
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