Off Topic: Things I learned from reading Holler If You Hear Me by Micheal Eric Dyson

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Zer0.MediA

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This is the book that was bundled in with the Thug Angel box set... I forgot it was in there untill I was seriously bored three days ago and picked it up to read it.

After reading for an hour or so it was clear to me what this book was... It's just a social commentary on the plight of African American people with a picture of Pac on the cover and a few of his lyrics on the inside to sell more books.

Let me break down to you what the chapters say in a few easy steps.

"Childhood Chains, Adolescent Aspirations"

1. Dear Mama - Tupacs mom was a Black Panther
2. The Son of a Panther - Tupacs mom was a Black Panther
3. No Malcom X in my History Test - Tupacs mom raised a Black Panther, Tupac can read.

"Portraits of an Artist"

4. Give me a Paper and Pen - Tupac wrote a bunch of different songs
5. To All the Real Niggas Out There - This whole chapter is a history of the word "nigger" and how white people are evil

"Bodies and Beliefs"

6. Do We Hate Our Women? - Tupac was a hypocrite, and it's his moms fault
7. But Do the Lord Care? - Tupac loved god, and set himself up to be shot
8. I Got Your Name Tatted on my Arm - People miss Tupac


Things I've learned from reading this book...
•White people are the cause of ghettos
•White people make black people smoke crack
•White people make black people steal
•White people make black people rob
•There are no poor white people
•Mike Tyson wasn't a rapist, he was a misunderstood "serial buttocks fondler" (yes, that's a quote)
•The black panthers were no better a civil liberties advancement group, than the Manson family

Essentially, this whole book is a lot of yadda yadda with a lot of "white people are to blame" in between the lines and a little Tupac scribbled in the margin a bit.

I give it a big thumbs... just thumbs. Book sucked.
 
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i don't agree with any of it then!!!!

now, if you were to replace...

"white people cause/make black people do such and such"

with something like...

"the past policies of an overwhelmingly white government (which is notorious for looking out for its own interests) coupled with accepted discriminatory practices by a portion of the white majority indirectly influenced and perpetuated the plight of some minority groups; for example such and such"

then yes.....i would agree. :D
 
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Well the thing was 40 bucks for 2 dvd's, a cd, and a book so I figured "what the fuck". I don't really like Pacs music too much, but his story is interesting at least.

DVD was allright, the bonus disc is useless, the cd is crap and so is the book...

But at least it was only 40 bucks.
 
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i thought it was an excellent book. he used pac as a comparison for the black community, because many think, he did speak for them
 
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But here's the thing... Tupac spoke for a black community without blatantly yelling "the white people are to blame!", which is why people listened... He wasn't just another Jesse Jackson jumpin on every bandwagon. He was an educated performer, and I think if he saw this book he'd be offended by it and tell Micheal Eric Dyson to shove it up his ass.
 
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Zer0.MediA said:
Well the thing was 40 bucks for 2 dvd's, a cd, and a book so I figured "what the fuck". I don't really like Pacs music too much, but his story is interesting at least.

DVD was allright, the bonus disc is useless, the cd is crap and so is the book...

But at least it was only 40 bucks.
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Only 40 bucks? wat is your understanding of the effect of whites and white supremacy and the social distortion of the black community? do YOU kno how to read?
 
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Yeah, I do know how to read and STILL can't figure out what the fuck point you're trying to get across... I understand fully that the black community distorts itself.

How come when black folk get some money, they leave the ghetto? Oh that's right.... because they know it sucks. Strange, the way people act it's as if there aren't any other places for a black person to go other than a streetcorner in a ghetto, yet in reality the second someone makes a few bucks what do they do? They leave the ghetto... Why? Because a ghetto isn't a ghetto unless it's a shithole. Now I guess that would make those black people "uncle Toms" because they aren't just sittin' in the ghetto like most yappin their gums up and down about how hard they got it when they aren't doin' nothin' but sellin' drugs and makin' kids they can't afford.

Pac said the same shit... He knew what was real. That's why I liked him. He didn't sit around and whine about how white america is the cause of all his problems, he spoke about how black America doesn't set it's standards high enough because they've been livin' so long on the "White America holdin' us down" tip.

Hey, if you can't get out of the ghetto, maybe you should say "Hey mom, why the fuck was I born here" and see if her answer is "white people sweety"... Nah, it's probably because your mom was broke and had kids (and probably more than one) when she couldn't even afford to pay for an abortion, let alone the doctor bills to birth your ass, then the cycle just keeps turnin'.

I'm sorry that there isn't a federal aid program that would just drop a brand new house on your doorstep that could fly you out of the ghetto like an airship from Final Fantasy. Maybe if you didn't want to live in a ghetto like most white people, instead of goin' "I'm so street, I'm from the ghetto and that's where I belong" you could make some changes for your sorry self and get a fuckin' real job, and save some money, and try not to have 50 kids by 49 moms and get the fuck out. Nah, then when you fail you wouldn't have the excuse of white America to fall back on.

This is what I learned from this stupid fuckin' book, the ignorance of a generation.

We've gone from Martin Luther King Jr. to Jesse Jackson... Need I say more?
 
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I would have just bought the DVD alone for 20. The DVD is alright. Good for QD3. He did a good job. Only good shit on the disk is the parts with Shock-G. He was clearly emotional and you can tell that he was actually a close friend of Pac. Not like some of those mother fuckers in those other documentries.
 
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i actually don't think you understand the book zero. read it, actually read it to understand, and you will. i know it's a bit more than the see spot run books you usually read, but give it a shot
 
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I understand the book. I understand that it has really nothing to do with Pac. I understand that basically, this guy used Pacs likeness and a few quotes to sell what he knew would never sell... A social commentary on the plight of African Americans. And yes, I actually do read a lot. Non-Fiction only. I was offended (and slightly bored) by the first few chapters which is why I finished reading it in the first place. I read it to tear it up, and I did. I don't think if I gave it a second read it would do anything but give me more evidence that it's a big 200 page pile of bullshit that plays off things like rape and murder because a black man is the perpetrator, but white folk (especially police) were always just on the case of the succesful black man because he drove a nice car... Sure.

Ya know, if a cop saw ME drivin around in a Jag, he'd probably stop ME too... Does that give me a right to fight him or shoot him? No. Should it give anyone? No. Do you think anyone gives a fuck who shot Pac? No. Why? Because why should any officer give a fuck about, or even look in the eye a man who would just as easily spit on them because of their uniform.

One thing I did learn, is that Pac was a hypocrite.
 
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dyson doesn't need pac to sell books. the man is a good writer and accomplished as well. he has sold many copies of the other books he has written.
 
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