Oakland's own Andre Ward wins Fighter of The Year 2011 [boxing]
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Hmm, Montiel was a top 10 pound 4 pound fighter when Donaire crushed him in two rounds. The "midget" he beat Narvaez was undefeated & had 20 title defenses, one of the longest in all of boxing. Now like I previously mentioned, it was a lack luster performance by Donaire because Narvaez pulled a Joshua Clottey and just went into a turtle shell defense for 12 rounds which is why Donaire shouldn't win FOTY, what I'm saying is he's one of the few guys considered for the award.
Cotto had a fun/entertaining year but he didn't beat a single person ranked in the top ten at JMW. He beat Moyorga (not ranked), and Margarito (not ranked). So while those were good wins for Cotto especially the latter being it was a revenge fight neither guy were ranked in the division.
I really have no idea what the hell you're talking about here.
People know Donaire first & foremost for knocking Darchinyan out a few years ago.
Donaire then went on to destroy Hernan 'Tyson" Marquez who is a current champ as well as absolutely murder Volodymyr Sydorenko, the same guy who gave Anselmo Moreno everything he could possible handle twice. And of course the two fights this year. He has some very underrated wins under his belt and if he would have had a more impressive victory over Narvaez and/or had a third victory this year, he would likely have won FOTY.
Froch beat Jean Pascal. Had a close fight with Dirrell which he technically won & a close fight with Kessler which could have gone either way. Also easily beat Abraham & Glen Johnson. His resume is top notch.
"I never leave my backyard" Andre Ward beat Froch in Oakland. Oh wait, nope that was Atlantic City, New Jersey!! So not quite. You want to talk about a homefield fighter you talk about Lucian Bute who has fought 24 fights in a row in his home.
But that statement you just made makes it clear you just don't really like Ward and don't want to give him credit, especially if you want to give the award to Rios who like bigface pointed out lost his title and didn't even make weight against Murray, who was coming off an 8 round KO loss to Kevin Mitchell. Marry is pretty whack, you can basically cross that name off the list it was supposed to be a bum fight to make rios look good but he struggled with him early cuz he couldn't even make weight. So that leaves Acosta & Antillon, both solid opponents, neither world class though.
Cotto had a fun/entertaining year but he didn't beat a single person ranked in the top ten at JMW. He beat Moyorga (not ranked), and Margarito (not ranked). So while those were good wins for Cotto especially the latter being it was a revenge fight neither guy were ranked in the division.
I really have no idea what the hell you're talking about here.
People know Donaire first & foremost for knocking Darchinyan out a few years ago.
Donaire then went on to destroy Hernan 'Tyson" Marquez who is a current champ as well as absolutely murder Volodymyr Sydorenko, the same guy who gave Anselmo Moreno everything he could possible handle twice. And of course the two fights this year. He has some very underrated wins under his belt and if he would have had a more impressive victory over Narvaez and/or had a third victory this year, he would likely have won FOTY.
Froch beat Jean Pascal. Had a close fight with Dirrell which he technically won & a close fight with Kessler which could have gone either way. Also easily beat Abraham & Glen Johnson. His resume is top notch.
"I never leave my backyard" Andre Ward beat Froch in Oakland. Oh wait, nope that was Atlantic City, New Jersey!! So not quite. You want to talk about a homefield fighter you talk about Lucian Bute who has fought 24 fights in a row in his home.
But that statement you just made makes it clear you just don't really like Ward and don't want to give him credit, especially if you want to give the award to Rios who like bigface pointed out lost his title and didn't even make weight against Murray, who was coming off an 8 round KO loss to Kevin Mitchell. Marry is pretty whack, you can basically cross that name off the list it was supposed to be a bum fight to make rios look good but he struggled with him early cuz he couldn't even make weight. So that leaves Acosta & Antillon, both solid opponents, neither world class though.
Donaire was a ghost after Vic. He still doesn't have a name. He's lucky his trainer does though. There's a reason why he's never been on a PPV event. The media doesn't acknowlege him. Has nothing to do with FOTY though. He crushed Montiel who just lost to a no-namer. Then beat that smurf. I agree, he's in contention with Ward.
Rios struggled to make weight. I don't see how that discredits his win. He came in under the re-nogotiated weight the next day.
I don't dislike Ward. I just don't think he should have won FOTY and if it wasn't for that tournament I seriously doubt he would have. We both know the facts, records, reasons, etc. It's just a simple disagreement.
Rios struggled to make weight. I don't see how that discredits his win. He came in under the re-nogotiated weight the next day.
I don't dislike Ward. I just don't think he should have won FOTY and if it wasn't for that tournament I seriously doubt he would have. We both know the facts, records, reasons, etc. It's just a simple disagreement.
If Donaire doesn't have a name then why does Vic, Mares, Agbeko, Moreno, Perez, Ridondeaux, Vazuez and others all want to fight him? Because he's the biggest name and biggest money fight at those weight classes.
You have to understand at 115 pounds to 122, there are no big names, period. In general boxing fans ignore the lower weight classes. Only Donaire can bring in $500,000 paydays. How much did Mares & Agbeko fight for? Their combined purse was less than what Donaire makes in a fight.
Who in boxing are in PPV events? Pacquiao, Floyd, & Cotto. That's it. Of course there are really small PPV events like Hopkins vs Dawson which did less than 50k, Chavez jr or Canelo which do similar numbers, or a shot Roy Jones fighting a bum for $5 cuz that's the only way anyone can watch it. The era of every big named fighter in boxing being on a PPV is over. Besides the super elite, they fight on regular HBO or showtime. These smaller weight class fighters, most all of them would kill to be getting the money donaire is getting. Lots of these guys are fighting for $50,000 to $150,000. Sometimes a lot less than that.
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Montiel losing to a "no-namer" NOW has nothing to do with the fact he was a top pound 4 pound fighter when Donaire fought him. That would be like saying Hopkins beating Trinidad meant nothing because tito accomplished nothing after that loss.
He lost his title on the scales. The "re-negotiated weight" was something they made to save the fight, or else it would be canceled all together.
That's fine. I just feel that you're not giving him enough credit. He's barely lost a round in the entire tournament.
You have to understand at 115 pounds to 122, there are no big names, period. In general boxing fans ignore the lower weight classes. Only Donaire can bring in $500,000 paydays. How much did Mares & Agbeko fight for? Their combined purse was less than what Donaire makes in a fight.
Who in boxing are in PPV events? Pacquiao, Floyd, & Cotto. That's it. Of course there are really small PPV events like Hopkins vs Dawson which did less than 50k, Chavez jr or Canelo which do similar numbers, or a shot Roy Jones fighting a bum for $5 cuz that's the only way anyone can watch it. The era of every big named fighter in boxing being on a PPV is over. Besides the super elite, they fight on regular HBO or showtime. These smaller weight class fighters, most all of them would kill to be getting the money donaire is getting. Lots of these guys are fighting for $50,000 to $150,000. Sometimes a lot less than that.
The Ring: Pound 4 Pound #4
http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings
Yahoo Boxing: Pound 4 Pound #5
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_y...ug=ki-iole_rankings_mayweather_pacquiao111711
ESPN Boxing: Pound 4 Pound #5
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/7241680/ranking-top-pound-pound-boxers-nos-1-3
Montiel losing to a "no-namer" NOW has nothing to do with the fact he was a top pound 4 pound fighter when Donaire fought him. That would be like saying Hopkins beating Trinidad meant nothing because tito accomplished nothing after that loss.
He lost his title on the scales. The "re-negotiated weight" was something they made to save the fight, or else it would be canceled all together.
That's fine. I just feel that you're not giving him enough credit. He's barely lost a round in the entire tournament.
no chance. Like I said about ward before he'll never be a super star but he'll beat all the super stars.
He kinda fights like the post 40 year old version of bernard hopkins, which isn't always very pleasing to fans. He'll school the shit of out people, but often times put fans to sleep too. I'd like to see Ward try to put some more power into his punches in the second half of his fights. Froch was open for right hands all night but he stopped throwing them
He kinda fights like the post 40 year old version of bernard hopkins, which isn't always very pleasing to fans. He'll school the shit of out people, but often times put fans to sleep too. I'd like to see Ward try to put some more power into his punches in the second half of his fights. Froch was open for right hands all night but he stopped throwing them