OAKLAND RAIDERS OFFSEASON THREAD

  • Wanna Join? New users you can now register lightning fast using your Facebook or Twitter accounts.
Jun 1, 2002
7,358
14
0
44
The case against McFadden
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, April 9th, 2008 at 2:05 pm in Oakland Raiders.

If you’re out car shopping, it’s more fun to shop for the Ferrari even if you really ought to be considering the durability of a Hummer for the long haul.

Blocking and tackling delivers Super Bowl rings, not running backs.

Only four running backs selected in the top four picks overall since 1967 have ever played for a Super Bowl champion _ Marshall Faulk of St. Louis (No. 2 overall in 1994), Tony Dorsett of Dallas (No. 2 overall, 1977) and Walter Payton of Chicago (No. 4 overall 1975).

(Note: Faulk was drafted by the Indianapolis Colts and was traded to St. Louis when Dick Vermeil became coach).

As tempting as it is to believe McFadden has the skill set to be another Faulk as a runner/receiver, chances are better he won’t be a slam dunk, first-ballot Hall of Famer and will likely see his production exceeded by running backs who are taken after him on April 26 and 27.

Lane Kiffin compares McFadden to Reggie Bush as a running back who could be used as Faulk was utlilized in St. Louis.

Using Bush as an example only illustrates the danger of drafting McFadden. Bush hasn’t played anywhere near his reputed skill set, and you could make the argument that Laurence Maroney of New England (No. 21), Joseph Addai of Indianapolis (No. 30) and Maurice Jones-Drew of Jacksonville (No. 60) are all better NFL backs despite being much lighter in the pocketbook.

In 2005, the Chicago Bears took Cedric Benson out of Texas at No. 4 overall, while Dallas got Marion Barber in the fourth round at No. 109.

Recent champions have been won because of the quality of the organization as well as the 53-man roster. The Raiders are a work in progress, with their running game, ranked No. 6 overall, one of the areas they can count as a strength.

The New York Giants are coming off a championship season with Brandon Jacobs (No. 110 overall in 2005) and Ahmad Bradshaw (No. 250 in 2007) as their running backs, winning a title the year after feature back Tiki Barber retired. Pittsburgh won with undrafted Willie Parker and an end-of-the-line Jerome Bettis. New England got one last good year out of Corey Dillon and won two Super Bowls with Antowain Smith, with Kevin Faulk as the receiving back.

The Raiders were run over by Tampa Bay running back Michael Pittman. The driving force behind Denver’s two championship was seventh-round pick Terrell Davis.

The zone blocking system which is used by Denver and Oakland is known for producing big yardage of bargain backs. Justin Fargas gained 1,009 yards despite not starting until near midseason and missing the last two games. When Fargas went down, Rhodes broke 100 yards twice and agreed to a reduced salary to return.

Oakland got 100-yard games out of LaMont Jordan as well. Near as I can tell, the Raiders have never had three different rushers gain 100 yards in a game in the same season.

And that doesn’t even include Michael Bush, who the Raiders think could be a steal with a fourth-round pick in 2007 after missing his final season at Louisville with a broken leg sustained in the opener.

Draft McFadden, and it means maybe there are questions about Bush’s speed which simply aren’t being addressed in public.

Taking McFadden at No. 4 means a huge financial commitment. It’s possible, and perhaps even probable that Oakland could find a productive back much later _ one that doesn’t have paternity suits and night club incidents in his past. The Raiders could enhance their draft by trading that pick to a team such as Dallas which may covet McFadden.

McFadden or no McFadden, the Raiders look as if they’ll be able to run the ball. And while it may be tempting to be able to put him on the field with JaMarcus Russell to create mismatches, the fact is they will be better served by playing it fairly close to the vest with Russell in what is a glorified rookie season and work on building an overall team around him.

If you’re going offense, take a blocker such as Michigan’s Jake Long or Boise State’s Ryan Clady, although No. 4 may be too high for Clady.

Defensively, the additions of safety Gibril Wilson and cornerback DeAngelo Hall should improve the secondary. Linebacker appears secure with Kirk Morrison and Thomas Howard. Getting an impact player on the defensive line, whether it’s an interior player such as Glenn Dorsey or Sedrick Ellis, or an end like Chris Long or Vernon Gholston, should be the next step.

McFadden would be a luxury accessory on team still looking for a foundation.
 

Tony

Sicc OG
May 15, 2002
13,165
970
113
47
Can't miss with that No.4 pick. Either way we're going to be a better team. I am 50/50 on this. McFadden would make our offense more explosive considering we've added Walker and Carter.... and a defensive player like Dorsey or Ellis could help our D be that much better as well. Either way we should be good.
 
Mar 16, 2005
6,904
401
83
Can't miss with that No.4 pick. Either way we're going to be a better team. I am 50/50 on this. McFadden would make our offense more explosive considering we've added Walker and Carter.... and a defensive player like Dorsey or Ellis could help our D be that much better as well. Either way we should be good.


If I was your FO I would go d....jst like I would if I was denver's FO


like the article says it would be "nice" but you need to go need over luxury.

that was a good read though...thx Solitary
 
Apr 25, 2002
2,614
4
0
47
Great read as always Sol, I think Defense wins rings and adding another RB that we really dont need is a waste of a good draft pick. I mean this offseason there has been a few free agent pickups that we didnt really need. Im hoping Cedric Ellis is still on the boards when its our turn....
 
Jun 1, 2002
7,358
14
0
44
Chris Long in town
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, April 9th, 2008 at 9:59 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Virginia defensive end Chris Long is the latest potential draft pick to visit the Raiders, attending the San Diego Padres-San Francisco Giants game Wednesday night along with linebacker Kirk Morrison and defensive line coach Keith Millard.

Morrison and Long were both brief interview subjects on the Comcast SportsNet telecast. Long is the son of Howie Long, the former Raiders defensive end and a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Will Long be around at No. 4? He has gained some support as a potential No. 1 overall pick by Miami.
 
Jun 1, 2002
7,358
14
0
44
Looking out for No. 1s
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, April 10th, 2008 at 2:38 pm in Oakland Raiders.

With the admittedly unfair advantage of hindsight, a look at how Raiders first-round draft picks have fared over the last decade with another premium selection coming up at No. 4 overall on April 26:

2007 1/1 JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU: Contract impasse made first year a washout. Coach Lane Kiffin seems encouraged with Russell’s preparation and conditioning. Russell is going to make mistakes, but will he counter that with enough leadership and positive plays to keep continuity on the offensive staff in 2009?

Worth the pick?: Too early tell. Way too early.

Could have had: Lots of impressive rookies taken with premium picks, including WR Calvin Johnson, T Joe Thomas, RB Adrian Peterson and LB Patrick Willis.

2006 1/7 Michael Huff, SS, Texas: Started 32 games, but responsible for only one turnover _ not what the Raiders had in mind. A good cover safety against tight ends but more of a form tackler than a big hitter. Signing of Gibril Wilson could enable Huff to put himself in position for more plays.

Worth the pick? Too early to tell, but we should have our answer this year.

Could have had: Matt Leinart is usually the first name that comes up. Personally, I’d rather have Russell. Baltimore got defensive tackle Haloti Ngata at No. 12.

2005 1/23 Fabian Washington, CB, Nebraska: In 2006 in Napa, many sideline spectators, including this one, thought Washington was the best defensive player in camp and on the verge of a breakout season as an elite corner. It never happened. Not only that, but Washington lost his starting job to Stanford Routt last season and didn’t seem overly upset by it. Great speed, but at one point told reporters last season he’s never been more than 175 pounds.

Worth the pick? Washington could still become a good player, but he seemed to regress last season and could be available by trade for an additional draft pick after the acquistion of DeAngelo Hall.

Could have had: The New England Patriots snagged guard Logan Mankins at No. 32.

2004 1/2 Robert Gallery, T, Iowa: Selected as the left tackle of the future, Gallery was compared to Jonathan Ogden, Tony Boselli and Orlando Pace coming out of college. He is not. In fact, line coach Tom Cable termed him a “square peg in a round hole” and moved him to guard. In fairness to Gallery, the Raiders botched his development with new line coaches every year, including a 2006 season in which he was moved to left tackle and got confusing and conflicting signals from Art Shell, Irv Eatman and Jackie Slater.

Worth the pick? Not as No. 2 overall. Reqested No. 76 to honor the retired Steve Wisniewski, and his chance at living up to his draft billing rests with achieving a Wisniewski-like standard of performance as he develops at guard.

Could have had: Arizona took WR Larry Fitzgerald at No. 3, but word is Al Davis anguished between Gallery and Texas WR Roy Williams, who was taken by Detroit at No. 7.

2003 1/31 Nnamdi Asomugha, CB, Cal: There were teams that didn’t have Asomugha on the first three rounds of their draft boards who thought this was a major reach. It looked that way as Asomugha played some safety and some corner, and displayed hands of stone through three seasons. Then he blossomed into one of the best players at his position, with the Raiders seeing something nobody else did.

Worth the pick? Without question.

Could have had: G Eric Steinbach, now of Cleveland, went to Cincinnati at No. 33.

2003 1/32 Tyler Brayton, DE, Colorado: Known as a high-effort player at Colorado, Brayton was a favorite of Raiders coaches for that reason. But he never really fit in at defensive end, outside linebacker or defensive tackle. Has no sacks in his last 41 games. Could break DiMaggio’s record by playing 16 games for Carolina without a sack.

Could have had: How about WR Anquan Boldin of Arizona, who lasted until No. 54 overall.

2002 1/17 Phillip Buchanon, CB, Miami: Buchanon justified his reputation as a big play corner, but the problem was he gave up more than he got. Started out as a dangerous punt return specialist, only to strangely lose that skill and become tentative and unsure. Maturity level never reached his talent in Oakland, the Raiders did well to acquire second- and third-round draft picks from Houston when they traded him.

Worth the pick? Looked like he would be early, then clearly was not.

Could have had: Ed Reed, Buchanon’s teammate in college, became an elite safety with the Ravens.

2002 1/23 Napoleon Harris, LB, Northwestern: The Raiders seemed to have something when they made Harris a middle linebacker, dumping popular veteran Greg Biekert, and put veteran Bill Romanowski on the strong side to lend knowledge and support. But Harris got hurt and Year 2 and in some ways was like Buchanon _ he always seemed to think he was playing much better than he actually was. Eventually went to Minnesota in the trade that brought Randy Moss to Oakland, moved on to the Chiefs last year.

Worth the pick? No. A classic example of a smart, talented athlete with everything it takes to be an NFL player except the knack of being a playmaker.

Could have had: All this after-the-fact stuff is easy, as Ravens G.M. Ozzie Newsome once pointed out. Newsome said the Ravens were hoping to get either Buchanon or Harris, but settled for Reed.

2001 1/28 Derrick Gibson, S, Florida State: With Davis spending most of his time in Los Angeles with the Raiders suing the NFL for territorial rights to Los Angeles, coach Jon Gruden wanted Arizona State tight end Todd Heap first, and then safety Idrees Bashir of Memphis. Davis took Gibson, who could be a strong player in short yardage but lacked football sense to be a fulltime player.

Worth the pick? Gibson looked good getting on the bus, but seldom had anything to do with his team winning once he got back on it.

Could have had: Heap would have been a nice addition, Bashir hasn’t made much of an impact.

2000 1/17 Sebastian Janikowski, PK, Florida State: The night before the draft, one Raiders assistant coach was heard to mutter, “He’s going to take the (bleeping) kicker.” Davis, ever the iconoclast, did just that, taking the deadly-accurate thunderfoot with history of getting into trouble. The Raiders felt they were a kicker away after some crucial misses in an 8-8 season.

Worth the pick? Janikowski ranks toward the bottom of NFL kickers in accuracy every year and remains streaky. Kickoff distance is good but hasn’t exactly changed the game. Logic seemed sound at the time, but Jano hasn’t seen a Pro Bowl and possibly never will.

Could have had: The name everyone brings up here is Shaun Alexander, who went to Seattle at No. 19 and became a touchdown machine. Problem is, the Raiders were happy with Tyrone Wheatley and Napoleon Kaufman and had they not taken Janikowski, were set to go with Jackson State’s Sylvester Morris. Morris went No. 21 to Kansas City, suffered a serious knee injury, and never made an impact.

1999 1/18 Matt Stinchcomb, T Georgia: Everyone loved Stinchcomb’s intelligence, savvy and production in the Southeastern Conference for Georgia. But he played in a bowl game with his shoulder strapped in after a severe separation and everyone knew it. So it hardly came as a surprise when Stinchcomb had major shoulder surgery not long into his first season with the Raiders. Started at tackle, center and guard and couldn’t hold on to any of them.

Worth the pick? Stinchcomb was damaged goods, but for some reason, the Raiders weren’t the only team that had him rated highly.

Could have had: Notre Dame lineman Luke Petigout went a pick after Stinchcomb. Buffalo took cornerback Antoine Winfield at No., 23.

1998 1/4 Charles Woodson, CB Michigan: After a shaky two quarters against Andre Rison of the Chiefs, Woodson was instantly one of the league’s top corners as a rookie, helping turn around a defense along with veteran Eric Allen. A throwback as an all-around player in that his tackling and ball-stripping skills were unparalleled at his position.

Worth the pick? Injuries and his own distaste for preparation and training prevented Woodson from becoming a Hall of Fame type player, but for years he was still the most electric presence on the Raiders defense.

Could have had: How about someone named Randy Moss at No. 21? Never mind.

1998 1/23 Mo Collins, T, Florida: With the 49ers all set to select Collins at No. 28, the Raiders traded up and stole him right out from under their noses. Amazingly, the 49ers admitted it, and sounded depressed to have wound up with corner R.W. McQuarters.

Worth the pick: Collins was simply too heavy and not mobile enough to be a tackle, but became a solid run-blocking guard on a team that led the NFL in rushing in 2000. A decent late-first-round value.

Could have had: A much better guard, Alan Faneca, went to the Steelers at No. 26.
 

Chree

Medicated
Dec 7, 2005
32,363
13,861
113
39
GHOLSTON THIS YEAR’S MAMULA?
Posted by Mike Florio on April 11, 2008, 3:09 p.m.

There’s no denying the impressive physique and workout numbers that have been posted by Ohio State defensive end/linebacker Vernon Gholston. But some league insiders are concerned that Gholston might be this year’s Mike Mamula.

Mamula, you might remember, was a defensive end who rocketed up the draft board based on incredible pre-draft numbers. The Boston College product made it all the way to No. 7 in 1995, jumping past guys like Joey Galloway and Warren Sapp and Hugh Douglas and Ty Law. But Mamula was a bust as a member of the Philadelphia Eagles, and he has long since been out of the league.

As to Gholston, a league source tells us Gholston simply isn’t memorable when watching game film. As the thinking goes, if he were a dominant player at the college level, he would be showing up in the thick of things on a continuous basis. Per the source, he simply doesn’t.

We’ve recently heard that the Raiders could be targeting Gholston with the No. 4 overall selection. But plenty of league insiders don’t see him being a top-five selection.
 

Chree

Medicated
Dec 7, 2005
32,363
13,861
113
39
^ I Agree, im worried about Groves too, with his heart problem, they gave him the treatment for it, but i dont trust problematic hearts....