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I realize that it may change every day, and I realize that it doesn't really mean shit...


...but I lol'd a few minutes ago when Mel Kiper had Oakland taking Matt Ryan @ #3 on his mock draft board.

1.) Don't they have the #4 pick?
2.) They just drafted the ''franchise'' QB last year


LOL

I like Ryan...so that's nothing against him...but LOL @ Kiper.
 
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What's in a number?
BERKELEY --- DL Howie Long, Raider Hall of Famer, wore No. 75.

So did little-used rookie OT Mario Henderson last season.

Jim Plunkett won two Super Bowls wearing No. 16. Andrew Walter sat on the bench in that number.

Art Shell carved out a Hall of Fame career as a left tackle. As recently as last training camp, Chad Slaughter had a career as a backup tackle in the same number.

Point is the Raiders don’t retire numbers (except for Jim Otto because “00” can’t be worn in the NFL anymore). Then again that’s more like the league retiring Otto’s number.

Just in case you didn’t know, there’s a little story brewing among Niner fans about whether Isaac Bruce, who has worn 80 for more than a decade with St. Louis and Los Angeles Rams, should wear that number with the 49ers.

Of course, that’s the number worn by Jerry Rice.

Rice received permission to wear his number after he was traded to Seattle from Seahawk great Steve Largent.

“I haven’t had that conversation with Isaac Bruce right now,” Rice said at Cal’s Pro Day where he was checking out DeSean Jackson. “I don’t how the fans are going to react to it. But to be honest with you, the thing is when (Largent) told me that it was like ‘Wow.’ And I know what he meant to Seattle, he meant the world to Seattle. For him to do that and I just feel that it’s only the right thing to do for me. But I don’t know how the fans are going to react. I don’t know what the 49ers are going to do.”

Then again, if the 49ers had retired Rice’s number by now, this wouldn’t be an issue. Rice said eh didn’t know why his number hadn’t been retired and that he’d just talked to Eddie DeBartolo about that and if the Niners would just “do what they’re supposed to do” by Rice, this wouldn’t be an issue.

But how sacred is a number? Backup tight end Tony Stewart wore Tim Brown’ old number last season and no one seemed to care.

Then again, this is something if teams did like the Raiders, it wouldn’t be a problem. Then again, there are some numbers that should never be worn again without question.

I always assumed Rice’s was one of them.

*Raiders receivers coach James Lofton and offensive quality control coach Sanjay Lal were at Memorial Stadium along with Raiders scout Jon Kingdon.

It’s no secret the Raiders need to upgrade at receiver and Cal has three pro prospects.

Barring a trade down in the first round or a trade for an additional first-round pick, Jackson isn’t likely to be a Raider.

But Lavelle Hawkins and Robert Jordan are intriguing prospects.

Hawkins played for Raider coaches at the Senior Bowl and was impressive. He’d be a solid pick with the Raiders’ second-round pick.

Jordan is JaMarcus Russell’s cousin and wouldn’t be a bad pickup, either.

*Lofton threw passes to the receivers. He throws a tight spiral with some zip.

“I see you James airing that thing out,” yelled Chiefs coach Herm Edwards at Lofton.

If the Raiders don’t sign another backup like Quinn Gray, just suit up Lofton as the third QB.

*For those of you that caught me on ESPN2’s “First Take” this morning, you might have been surprised I went with Ohio State DE Vernon Gholston as the Raiders’ choice in the mock draft.

Here’s my thinking:

With Tommy Kelly going over to DT full time, the need there isn’t as pressing. My reasoning behind Glenn Dorsey or Sedrick Ellis as the Raiders’ choice previously was thinking Kelly would be a DE.

I still believe the Raiders don’t need another running back.

Also, the loss of Chris Clemons shouldn’t be overlooked. The Raiders have looked for an end opposite Derrick Burgess to pass rush effectively and Clemons was that guy last season. With him gone, the Raiders are especially thin at DE.

A defensive line of Burgess and Gholston with Kelly and Jay Richardson on the inside on passing downs is intriguing.

Also Gholston is a beast with great athletic ability and upside. If Jake Long is gone, I think Gholston is the guy.

--Jason Jones
 
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10 reasons Al Davis has to pull the trigger on Lane Kiffin by next week
By Tim Kawakami
Tuesday, March 11th, 2008 at 10:32 am in 49ers, NFL, Raiders.

At the (perhaps sardonic) request of one my wisest college colleagues, who lives in Wisconsin so therefore gets the benefit of the doubt, I will try a Reason List on another listless Bay Area franchise…

Al Davis has to make a decision on Lane Kiffin, you’d figure, and it probably shouldn’t be in July, when training camp starts. Maybe just a little sooner than that, Mr. D!

We know Al doesn’t particularly want Lane to be his coach after last year’s 4-12 wobble and the intricacies of Lane’s desire/un-desire to have Rob Ryan be his defensive coordinator and possibly Lane’s dislike for the Raiders decal.

We know that the Kiff-ster almost certainly wants out, or else he’d have stepped up to the podium at some point in the intervening months of rumors and outright guffaws, and actually, you know, said so.

It has been entertaining. It has been helpful for the 49ers, who can point at the Raiders and say, Hey, we’re not the worst thing going! Which is so true.

But it does have to come to an end at some point, however much Al loves it never coming to an end… and here are 10 reasons why:

1. Like it or not (and I know Al does not like it), in the NFL, the head coach is the face of the franchise, the man associated every day with the winning and the losing–you know, stuff fans care about–instead of the plotting and the scheming.

If Al wants fans to retain somewhat passionate in his product, he needs a coach they believe HE believes in. That wouldn’t be Kiffin, any more.

You’ve got the owners meetings coming up at the end of this month–a great, easy platform for coaches to spill happy, no-pressure PR. Lane was a star there last year.

Will Al go into that with Lane hanging on the edge? Will he bother to bring Kiffin? Will Kiffin have to pay his own way? Will Kiffin go to the press availability wearing a Buccaneer shirt?

These are things I think Al has to avoid. I’m only thinking of you, AD.

2. Other than the coach, the No. 2 face of the franchise is always the QB. Yet the Raiders’ QB probably needs tight supervision–he’s young and he tends to the chunky side.


Are you waiting until JaMarcus Russell weighs 400 before doing anything, Mr. D?

Russell was upwards of 270 last season. About 20 to 40 pounds too heavy, I’d say. There are reports he could be over 270 right now, though who really knows… He’s a big guy.

He needs to be coached, 24/7, 365 days a year. Russell knows Kiffin didn’t want to draft him (as I’ve repeatedly written) and now he knows Kiffin could be out. So what’s Russell’s incentive to stay in shape? Or to learn a playbook that might be out the window, anyway?

Al, you’ve sunk a lot of money into JaMarcus. Rightly so. He could be great. Do you want him perhaps losing another year to fatness/confusion? Unless you get your coach thing settled, very soon, you could lose Russell for a while.

3. The biggest PR fair the NFL has is the draft, which is coming up in April, and the Raiders don’t usually take great advantage of it since Al does the drafting but he doesn’t talk about it afterwards.

Al trots out the coach to explain the picks–and yet we all know the coach rarely has anything to do with the drafting.

Is Al going to shove Kiffin out there in late-April to explain picks he didn’t make for a boss he doesn’t want and a team he doesn’t want to coach any more? Sheesh.

4. Whose system will Al be drafting to fit? His own? Kiffin’s? James Lofton’s? The draft is fairly important.

Al has made a lot of mistakes to get the Raiders to where they are–a half-decade of utter desolation, and counting–but the most costly errors, even more than the coach procession, have been in the draft.

If Al has a coach he doesn’t like, will he and his talent evaluators draft for Kiffin’s offensive system, for somebody else’s, or for nobody at all?

5. My guy Jerry Mac says JaMarcus hasn’t been spotted at the Raiders complex recently. I don’t blame JR–working out… for who? To do what?

I’d guess that’s the thinking of a lot of important Raiders with everything up in the air. Yet the good teams say that it’s incredibly important to get the work done in February and March–the team-building, classwork, loose atmosphere work that builds cohesiveness.

The Raiders don’t have that. They’re guaranteed not to have that in 2008, with the QB not around and the coach who knows where.

You think the good teams in the AFC are letting their players roam around, in unknown states, while the front office figures out who the hell is running things? No, I’d say not.

6. If Kiffin isn’t going to be the coach, it’d be nice for Al to tell us (and tell the next guy) who the coach is going to be.

If it’s Lofton, you never know if the guy can do it until he knows and everybody else knows and he steps up for that first team meeting and first media session.

Kiffin sort of clunked around in his first days, but he seemed to get up to speed by July.

If Lofton’s (or Ryan or Greg Knapp) first day on the job is in June, and he clunks around for a few weeks… there’s a whole training camp, GONE.

7. Al, you need to sell some tickets. You’ve tested your most loyal fans for a long time. But now? Who’s supposed to invest hundreds of dollars into your brand… when you’re telling your fans that you don’t like the person most identified with the daily branding?

8. If Al lets Kiffin talk–still sort of the Raiders coach–think of the damage that Kiffin can do.

He’s a smart guy. He has played it right. He’ll probably keep playing it right… and that is not good news for Davis.

Kiffin will get sympathy. He will get support. Then at some point, he’ll walk or get fired, and Al will be sitting there, not talking.

9. When Davis makes a coaching change, Davis usually talks to the media–about once a year, it turns out.

I love Al’s press conferences. Al knows I love them. I love them because Al remains brilliant, he’s stubborn, he’s running the show and if we want to know what he’s thinking while running the show, these are about the only chances we get to ask him directly.

They’re the best things going in the Bay Area.

10. Al, you’re going to fire Kiffin at some point–whether it’s now or during the season. If you’re holding back because you don’t want to pay him the extra $1.5M or so, OK, that’s your prerogative.

You don’t want to lose face to a smug 31-year-old you plucked out of nowhere.

But you’re going to do it eventually. You’re not getting any younger. This team is not getting any better in this chaotic situation.

Bite the bullet now and do it.
 
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Did Uncle Al really spend too much?


Gee, I kind of thought the Oakland Raiders were doing an excellent job in the offseason, but everywhere I turn, in sports pages virtual or actual, the silver and black front office is getting slagged off for its extravagance. Maybe Raider Nation is onto something here: Maybe it really is them against the world.

Or ... maybe the Raiders have been a bit free and loose with the question mark, blowing unnecessary capital on players doomed to fail after a successful season/career elsewhere, a history spanning Larry Brown to Dominic Rhodes at least.

A consideration, then, of the big-deal deals Al Davis & Co. have made in the offseason.

• Kwame Harris became a Raider for potentially $16 million over three years. Considering that Harris was the guy the Raiders coveted pretty much from the signing-period starting gun, that the Nation is clamoring for help on the O-line, and that few linemen to speak of were available to Oakland, Harris was a key signing for the Raiders. A respectable line isn't far off now, surely. Harris? Priceless, as the ads say; certainly money well spent here.

• The anti-Harris, judging from the deluge of reaction, is Tommy Kelly. Kelly landed a seven-year $50.5 million contract that includes $18.125 guaranteed. Kelly has never made the Pro Bowl, suffered a ligament tear in late October last season and is already listed as questionable for the start of 2008 training camp.

Oversimplifying the numbers a bit give us averages of $7.2 million and about $2.6 million guaranteed for next year, putting Kelly on a bread-winning level with guys like Seattle's Deion Branch (over $9.38 million in 2007) and Minnesota's Pat Williams ($6.75 million in 2007, with a contract that bagged him a cool $13.55 mil in special bonuses). Heck, overall, it's the biggest contract of all-time for a DT. Considering that the Seahawks and Vikings were involved in insane bidding wars for Branch and Williams while the Raiders were bidding against, um, no one for Kelly this year ... this may be a bad contract for Oakland, folks.

• On Javon Walker: Take it away, A-Carr!

It didn't take long for the media to find the perfect word to describe the six-year, $55-million deal the Oakland Raiders extended to wide receiver Javon Walker.

"Lucrative."

The word fits. The 29-year-old ex-Denver Bronco cashed in for more than any other free-agent wide receiver this offseason. He'll earn more than Randy Moss in New England, Bernard Berrian in Minnesota, Jerry Porter in Jacksonville and Donte' Stallworth in Cleveland.

Compared to the guys on the above list and adding in a potential attitude problem, Walker's contract seems a tad inflated. Slightly bloated though it may be, Carroll found the Walker deal justifiable and I can toe that party line: The Raiders are pitiably thin at receiver. This deal shores up the position for years; pray Walker can run in this offense at least through decade's end, Oakland fans.

• In direct opposition to the Kelly signing was the Gibril Wilson deal, a move garnering praise throughout the football-loving land. And why not? At six years, $39 million and $16 million guaranteed, Wilson's salary for 2008 puts him in the neighborhood of Michael M. Lewis in San Francisco (just under $4.2 million in 2007) and Arizona's Terrence Holt (a bit above $4 million). And Wilson's bringing in Super Bowl gold? Translation: A bargain.

While other outlets blast the seemingly headless Raiders for throwing money around, it says here that Davis paid going rate for most of these guys and played it straight-up shrewdly most of the time.

Now if someone will just explain the whole Tommy Kelly thing . . .
 
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RAIDERS SIGN ANOTHER

The Oakland Raiders' offseason assault on the free-agent market continues.

According to Adam Schefter of NFL Network, the Raiders have agreed to terms with receiver Drew Carter, formerly of the Carolina Panthers. Terms are not yet known.

Carter was a fifth-round draft pick of the Panthers in 2004. He started seven games in 2007, catching 38 passes for 517 yards and four touchdowns -- all career highs.



not too bad.. hes def a decent #3WR.. javon #1, ron curry #2, and drew carter #3
 

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^That's a really good signing.... Drew Carter is known for his speed. This is the deepest the Raiders receiving core has been in a loooong time. Look out AFC West! Great pickup! Can't wait for the new Madden.
 
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DECENT PICK UP. I THINK WE STILL SHOULD DRAFT A WIDEOUT IN THE 2ND OR 2RD ROUND.

Drew Carter on board
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, March 12th, 2008 at 3:34 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Free agent Drew Carter, on occasional starter for the Carolina Panthers last season, has been added to the Raiders receiving corps, beat writer Steve Corkran confirmed.

Barring any other acquisitions, Carter would enter training camp as no worse than the third wide receiver, joining Javon Walker and incumbent Ronald Curry.

In seven starts for Carolina, Carter had 38 receptions for 517 yards and four touchdowns, which followed a 28-catch, 357-yard performance in 2006.

The Raiders have added both Walker and Carter to one of the NFL’s thinnest units since losing Jerry Porter (Jacksonville) to free agency.

With Walker (6-3, 215), Curry (6-2, 210) and Carter (6-3, 210), Oakland has given rookie quarterback JaMarcus Russell a trio of phyiscally impressive wide receivers. Best case, it means the potential for a lot of big plays. Depth could still be an issue, since all three have had injury issues.

The remainder of the wide receivers includes Johnnie Lee Higgins, Jonathan Holland, Chris McFoy, Drisan James, Will Buchanon and Todd Watkins.

No word as of yet regarding Quinn Gray, the Jacksonville quarterback who arrived Tuesday night. The St. Petersberg Times reported defensive end Kevin Carter, a 34-year-old, 13-year vet who has talked with the Raiders in past free agent years, was to visit Wednesday.

Gray has already visited Green Bay. If the Packers are serious, that opportunity would seem to be the better chance for Gray to get playing time. Russell will likely be given the chance to grow through his errors. In Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers, the man who must replace Brett Favre, would be on a considerably shorter leash and be under much more intense scrutiny on a team with playoff aspirations.
 

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^That's a really good signing.... Drew Carter is known for his speed. This is the deepest the Raiders receiving core has been in a loooong time. Look out AFC West! Great pickup! Can't wait for the new Madden.
LMFAO

smh.....
 

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Heres something on Raiders and Niners

Raiders', 49ers' situations should be a concern to Goodell, NFL

By Glenn Dickey
March 10, 2008




NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has done a good job of dealing with the out-of-control players who have been a serious blemish on the league’s reputation. Now, he faces another challenge with two owners in the San Francisco Bay Area who are bringing once-proud franchises, the 49ers and Oakland Raiders, to their knees.

Al Davis is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and deservedly so, but his career with the Raiders can be divided into two nearly equal but hugely contrasting eras.

From 1963 through 1985, Davis put together a team that had the highest winning percentage in American professional sports and played in four Super Bowls, winning the last three they were in.

But from 1986 through the 2007 season, Davis’ Raiders are 27 games below .500 in regular-season play and have been to just one Super Bowl, being routed by the Buccaneers in XXXVII. And it’s getting worse. In the five years since that Super Bowl, the Raiders are an NFL-worst 19-61.

Davis always has been in control of the Raiders, but in the good years, he usually had somebody with contrarian ideas to whom he’d listen. In the early days, for instance, Ron Wolf pushed him to draft Ken Stabler. As recently as 1999, then-head coach Jon Gruden was able to persuade Davis to release Jeff George and sign Rich Gannon. With Gannon at quarterback, the Raiders got to their last Super Bowl.

Davis “traded” Gruden to Tampa Bay, in exchange for draft picks and money. As coach of the Bucs, Gruden’s strategy destroyed the Raiders in the Super Bowl, a resounding 48-21 win for the Bucs. That started a decline for the Raiders, as they crashed to 4-12 in the 2003 season.

There is nobody left in the Raiders’ organization who will challenge Davis as Wolf and Gruden did. Employees know that if Davis asks for their opinions, he only listens if they agree with him. One employee who tired of that routine asked Davis, “Do you really want my opinion, or do you just want me to agree with yours?” Davis snarled at him, “Get out of here,” which pretty much answered that question.

Lately, Davis’ actions have gone from bad to totally irrational, as in his attempt to get head coach Lane Kiffin to sign a resignation letter. Had he done so, Kiffin would have forfeited the $4 million he’s owed over the next two years. Kiffin declined to sign it. Surprise.

Kiffin was only 31 when he was hired to coach the Raiders last spring. He had never been a head coach before, so he was learning on the job. Overall, he did a good job and he seemed on his way to changing the losing atmosphere surrounding the Raiders.

Nobody knows exactly what will happen now, but it won’t be good. If Kiffin stays, his authority with the players will be seriously undermined. If he leaves, who would Davis get to replace him? A coach would have to be suicidal to go to Oakland.

The only way for this situation to improve is for Goodell to appoint a good football man to step in and take operating control of the Raiders. There is precedent for this in baseball, where Cincinnati Reds owner Marge Schott twice was removed from active control in the 1990s.

Of course, Davis would sue, but Oakland Athletics owner Charlie Finley also sued baseball commissioner Bowie Kuhn when Kuhn negated Finley’s sale of star players in the late ’70s. Finley lost, as a federal court judge ruled in 1978 that a commissioner had the right to take action to protect the best interests of his sport. Removing Davis from control of the Raiders would certainly fit that description.

With the 49ers, the problem is not just operational control — though owner John York has made enough bad decisions that the 49ers are only 25-55 over the past five years — but also with the effort to build a new stadium. York’s people announced last year that they had a plan to build a new stadium in Santa Clara, in Great America’s parking lot. Amazingly, they had not even asked anybody from Great America about it! When Great America said, “No way,” the 49ers moved their proposed site to another parking lot, adjacent to their practice facility.

The 49ers have been trying to get Santa Clara to provide them with more than $200 million to build the stadium. Good luck with that. The last Bay Area team to try to get public money for a new stadium was the Giants, who lost four elections in San Francisco, San Jose and Santa Clara. The 49ers also reportedly plan to use PSLs (personal seat licenses) as part of their financing plan, though they’re having trouble now selling season tickets without PSLs attached.

And speaking of season tickets, they’ve just raised ticket prices, coming off a season that they started talking playoffs and ended at 5-11. This is truly The Gang That Can’t Shoot Straight.

Meanwhile, San Francisco has come up with its own plan for the Hunters Point area. As part of an overall urban renewal area, room for a bay-front stadium would be included. Lennar Corp., which is handling the project, would put up $100 million to help finance a stadium project, according to former 49ers president Carmen Policy, who is working for San Francisco on the project.

If this proposal is approved by San Francisco voters on the June 3 ballot, Policy plans to take it to the commissioner and lobby for it. Goodell certainly would listen because Policy is known as a dealmaker — and York has the reputation of being a bumbler. Policy could put a specific plan on the table; York has only a pie-in-the-sky proposal to present.

Moving against owners is never as easy for a commissioner as moving against players is, but what Goodell does with the messy Raiders and 49ers situations will be an important factor in defining his reign.

Your move, commissioner.

Glenn Dickey has been covering pro football since 1967 and now has his own Web site, www.GlennDickey.com. E-mail him at [email protected].
 

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It's funny huh... my son used to play me with the Panthers and everytime I left Drew Carter in single coverage that mf burned me.

Look out.... We're going to be a force.... Now we have one of the deepest WR core's in the league.
 
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^That's a really good signing.... Drew Carter is known for his speed. This is the deepest the Raiders receiving core has been in a loooong time. Look out AFC West! Great pickup! Can't wait for the new Madden.
LOL

Moss, Porter, Curry>>>>Walker, Curry, Carter

I know things didn't work out with Moss and Porter but talent wise Id take that trio over our new one.
 

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LOL

Moss, Porter, Curry>>>>Walker, Curry, Carter

I know things didn't work out with Moss and Porter but talent wise Id take that trio over our new one.
Come on man... Moss was half himself with us and Porter was in the dog house all season. I'll take this trio that we have now over Moss, Porter, Curry.

Walker, Curry, Carter> 1/2 Moss, (dog house) Porter, Curry
 

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Too many haters....

JaMarcus weighs over 300 pounds, Javon Walker's knee is tore up, etc....

Haters don't want to see the Raiders get better but they can't stop it so they come up with garbage rumors and wishful thinkin'...

@chree.... Madden ratings are real close to what the player really plays like in real life wether you want to believe it or not. The game makers do a lot of research. So look out for our new speedster. We got someone to stretch the field and open things up now. It's on...
 
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Come on man... Moss was half himself with us and Porter was in the dog house all season. I'll take this trio that we have now over Moss, Porter, Curry.

Walker, Curry, Carter> 1/2 Moss, (dog house) Porter, Curry
Im not talking about the 1 season when we had Shell as coach...Im speaking purely based off of talent. Moss, Porter and Curry playing to their full potential is by far better then what we have now. Unfortunetly we were never able to see them all play at their highest level. :ermm:
 

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@chree.... Madden ratings are real close to what the player really plays like in real life wether you want to believe it or not. The game makers do a lot of research. So look out for our new speedster. We got someone to stretch the field and open things up now. It's on...
no its not lol