Same is to be said for the thousands upon thousands of innocent people our country kills or is an accessory to murdering daily in countries all across the globe. Yes, 9-11 was sad...but we inflict far more massive crimes on other countries every single day and then want to be pissed when the dirt we do comes back on us. It's karma baby...and more is coming. Does that mean if a plane kills my mom I won't be sad? No. But I know being a part of this country means we all have it coming to us just like all the innocents abroad do when our government gets the trigger finger over some money or product that they want. We are guilty by association and will get what they think we deserve for massacring their people and sticking our snouts in business that is not ours.
This country is not made up of just our Government system, what makes this country is the people that inhabit it. The people of this country didn't kill anyone--our government and military did. We don't get emotional about the death occuring overseas, this is correct, but there is something to consider-- 1. The majority of the people in this country don't know of whats going on in other countries, and if they did, it's likely sugar-coated through mainstream media to the point where we STILL don't know whats REALLY going on. Should we blame them, how can we? This country has my mind polluted because I think it's wrong to turn your back, and to say fuck 9/11? The majority of the people on this board don't even like the country they live in. In order to understand my point, you have to know that there is a line between the people and the government/military of this country. No matter how much opposition our govt. faces with the people of our nation, as independant as we stand, it won't mean a damn thing to them. These buildings that dropped, they didn't contain high-ranking government and military officials, they didn't have many of these people that make the decisions to invade and bomb. They contained, quite possibly, a very high number of American citizens that opposed bush and the thought of any interaction in IRAQ or AFGHANISTAN. Yet these are the people who suffered because of the flaws of our leaders, thousands of them died--how can anybody possibly sit there and think we shouldn't place so much focus on their death. They should have expected it? No, they shouldn't have expected it, especially since most of them were blind to any such possibility.
Is bombing buildings of another country, also resistance?
What Israel is doing, do you see that as a porblem?
LOL!
Under-educated, or under-taught? We can't learn anything without a teacher. Is it the fault of the people living in this country, that our media portrays false and misleading information as to what's going on in this and other nations? The truth is, neither you, nor I, or anyone else on this board, know everything that is going on. Our government is not out massacreing other people on behalf of our people, we didn't request it, so why hold us accountable?
Who is "we". Our Government, or the people? The "we" that inflict "massive crimes" on other countries, are not the "we" that were killed. Let me help you our here, "WE" didn't fuck with anybody, our Government did.
Guilty by association? We don't have a choice of what country to live in. We are not guilty of anything but trying to live.
EXACTLY!
Is bombing buildings of another country, also resistance?
What Israel is doing, do you see that as a porblem?
LOL!
Under-educated, or under-taught? We can't learn anything without a teacher. Is it the fault of the people living in this country, that our media portrays false and misleading information as to what's going on in this and other nations? The truth is, neither you, nor I, or anyone else on this board, know everything that is going on. Our government is not out massacreing other people on behalf of our people, we didn't request it, so why hold us accountable?
Who is "we". Our Government, or the people? The "we" that inflict "massive crimes" on other countries, are not the "we" that were killed. Let me help you our here, "WE" didn't fuck with anybody, our Government did.
Guilty by association? We don't have a choice of what country to live in. We are not guilty of anything but trying to live.
EXACTLY!
The reason it is "we" and "our" even though "we" don't commit the atrocities directly is because we are guilty just living in this country. I said that in the above post and then you asked me why "we" and "our" when I already answered your question. Do you think our government stops and asks every foreigner which "side" they are on before they blow their heads off? NO. Therefore, they will show us the same mercy we have shown them. ZERO!!!! NO DOUGH!!!! (in memory of :H: 
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)You made a reference of "our government" commiting these crimes, then "we" being guilty. You did not provide sufficient information to answer the question. What does it matter whether or not our government question's the enemy. Your off on some rant about the things you dislike about our nation, while the rest of us are conversing about why we should, or should not mourn 9/11.
Your saying what... that because our government kill's people, that we (the people) should not place fosus on innocent lives slaughtered in those buildings.
What is your arguement here, because im trying to figure out if you have really said anything yet.
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Your saying what... that because our government kill's people, that we (the people) should not place fosus on innocent lives slaughtered in those buildings.
What is your arguement here, because im trying to figure out if you have really said anything yet.
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Like I said above, if my own mother was a victim of terrorism YES, I would be upset. It's cool to mourn dead people. But in that case, we should mourn all of the people we (as in the United States), have murdered just as well. What NK is saying in the original post is that we as a country are generally pompous and self-centered and care only about our gain and what happens to "us" versus anyone else. That goes for Americans individually and as a whole. We are butt hurt about 9-11 but could give a fuck less about thousands of Iraqi's or Somalians being massacred at our hands. This is not a black and white issue of whether or not to observe 9-11. It is an issue of our complete selfishness and self-righteousness as a country. We are so self-involved that we don't see past our borders where beyond territorial lines people are dying every day in huge numbers. 9-11 is a joke compared to the everyday life in the Middle East where little kids step on landmines and get blown away every day. It is about perspective and we only see one perspective which skews our vision and blinds us to the real issues at hand.
See thats just the thing WE didn't cause the fucked up shit in other countries, OUR GOVERNMENT DID, so when WE have that shit happen to US, it is NOT PAYBACK because WE had nothin to do with the shit. WE are just citizens, now if it was THE GOVERNMENT in the twin towers that would be another story...
And MY point is the SAME thing happens to INNOCENT civilians in OTHER countries when OUR goverment decides to go on a path of DESTRUCTION. You think the civilians in Iraq and Afganistan don't feel exactly as you do? Yet we murder them mercilessly just the same....the point I'm making is if you live in the country, you are fair game and at the mercy of the decisions your country makes. They die, so we will also die. What makes us so special that we shouldn't if we're killing their people? That's the pompous attitude I'm talking about.
nah, you keep talkin about "we". WE didn't murder them, our govt did, and its fucked up, believe me I know all the dirt and shit. But mourning people who died in 911 has NOTHING TO DO with our government. Its feeling sorry for innocent people who died for no reason. Most people have no idea about the shit our govt does in other countries, so their a bystandard in a war they don't even know is goin on. Its aight by me to say FUCK THE GOVT but to say FUCK 911 is jacked up because your targeting the wrong people.....
I never said "fuck 911", but I do say mourn the loss of all human lives equally. Because the 911 incident happend to American people, we get upset. We seem to think their lives are more valuable than all of the innocent people that die in other countries every day at OUR hands, whether they starve as a result of our political regimes or we bomb the living shit out of them, it is still the US collectively that is represented by those actions. This is OUR country. Foreigners are not going to distinguish you and me from George Bush, just like we don't distiguish Bin Ladin from all the other "towel heads". Kill 'em all! That is the psychology. We represent the enemy, therefore we will pay for the enemy's actions.
I don't exactly disagree with what your saying. I just think some of these other fools jumpin on the bandwaggon and actin dumb sayin "fuck 911" and that type of shit. shit should be more like "fuck the government for using an incident like 911 to gain blind patriotism and milking every little bit out of it".... thats the REALISTIC stance.
I think if people really understood what Bin Ladin was fighting for, and not go off of all the erroneous information the media tries to feed them, they would have a much better understanding of why he does what he does. And those principles I do not disagree with. I actually respect his humility and plight to protect his people. He fights for a cause. We fight for greed and control of everything. Folks should do some research on why he is upset. We'd be upset if we were him too...we set this shit off and now we will pay for being in other's people's mix with our nosey, greedy asses.
No, actually he said...
"FUCK 911" ... "I don't give a shit about 911 Did everyone here enjoy their moment of silence? I sure as fuck didn't, I was listening to Scarface's Face II Face album for the first time in years enjoying it - and these faggots have to bow their heads and shed some crocodile tears for this nonsense."
What did he say?
That all sound good (except for the 9-11 being a joke in comparison) but there is just one thing, how do you or NOSTRIL KING, know that "these people" who mourn 9/11, are not mourning for the horrific events outside of our country? It sounds to me like the biggest assumption ever made on this board. You guys have no idea what this country thinks of the situation overseas--but it looks as though you take the thoughts and actions of our government, and place them with the citizens of this country. Can I read the survey you guys did on what the people of this nation think about death overseas...
"FUCK 911" ... "I don't give a shit about 911 Did everyone here enjoy their moment of silence? I sure as fuck didn't, I was listening to Scarface's Face II Face album for the first time in years enjoying it - and these faggots have to bow their heads and shed some crocodile tears for this nonsense."
What did he say?
That all sound good (except for the 9-11 being a joke in comparison) but there is just one thing, how do you or NOSTRIL KING, know that "these people" who mourn 9/11, are not mourning for the horrific events outside of our country? It sounds to me like the biggest assumption ever made on this board. You guys have no idea what this country thinks of the situation overseas--but it looks as though you take the thoughts and actions of our government, and place them with the citizens of this country. Can I read the survey you guys did on what the people of this nation think about death overseas...
Read between the lines...if you are familiar with NK's posts, you know he says a lot of things for shock value. I interpreted what he was really saying in the post and explained it a bit more rationally.
I have personally talked to many people and there are many on this board that are uneducated about the dealings of our government with other countries and believe anything they read or see on NBC news.
Many Americans could give two shits about deaths overseas. Shit, 1/2 of them didn't come with all that patriotic bullshit until they saw that we are indeed vulnerable to outside forces when planes flew through the WTC towers. Then all of a sudden it's American flags on every massive SUV (lol) and "These colors don't run" t-shirts adorned by people who really had no clue who Bin Ladin was and why he is really pissed.
Then there were the parodys on TV and radio about killing Bin Ladin like it's some kind of joke/game....and we get mad when they are cheering in the streets when Americans are killed and call them the "animals". It's all ass backwards dude, that's all I'm saying...and the majority of the American public has a hard time looking at things objectively. They would rather get caught in the sensationalism and the fake "unity" for a few months and then get back into their gas guzzling Suburbans and return to life as usual.
I have personally talked to many people and there are many on this board that are uneducated about the dealings of our government with other countries and believe anything they read or see on NBC news.
Many Americans could give two shits about deaths overseas. Shit, 1/2 of them didn't come with all that patriotic bullshit until they saw that we are indeed vulnerable to outside forces when planes flew through the WTC towers. Then all of a sudden it's American flags on every massive SUV (lol) and "These colors don't run" t-shirts adorned by people who really had no clue who Bin Ladin was and why he is really pissed.
Then there were the parodys on TV and radio about killing Bin Ladin like it's some kind of joke/game....and we get mad when they are cheering in the streets when Americans are killed and call them the "animals". It's all ass backwards dude, that's all I'm saying...and the majority of the American public has a hard time looking at things objectively. They would rather get caught in the sensationalism and the fake "unity" for a few months and then get back into their gas guzzling Suburbans and return to life as usual.