New Michael Moore film "Sicko"

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I'm not a Michael Moore fan but I'm looking forward to seeing this film. It is about America's healthcare system, or lack thereof.

The most controversial part of the film apparently is when Moore takes several 9/11 recscue workers to visit Cuba for treatment they couldn't get in America. Most of the workers have serious healthcare problems as a result of being exposed to the hazardous shit on ground zero, most of them also do not have health insurance, Cuba's healthcare system is free to all.

The boat trip, according to sources who spoke to both the NY Post and The Daily News, took ailing rescue workers to Cuba for health treatment for respiratory ailments which they suffer as a result of working at Ground Zero, and for which a number of the workers have no health insurance. The purpose of the trip, according to some, was to show that the free health care in Cuba is superior to the health care system in the U.S. Those invited on the trip, as described by Janon Fisher in the Post, were told the "Cuban doctors had developed new techniques for treating lung cancer and other respiratory illnesses," and that health care in Cuba was free.​

The film is debuting in Cannes this May
 
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Maybe they just frown upon it. I never see packages to go down there...but if yo go to Canada, they ENCOURAGE you to go there. Got packages for like $150 for 3 days!

EDIT: This is what i found out about the subject...

First, the law. According to the Trading with the Enemy Act of 1963, American citizens cannot spend money relating to Cuban travel unless they are licensed to do so. You can apply for a travel license if you are one of the following: a journalist, a government employee traveling on official business, a member of an international organization of which the U.S. is also a member, or a relative of someone living in Cuba.

Do you have to have a license to visit Cuba? No. Reportedly, U.S. travelers have arranged visits to Cuba without an official license, usually flying via Cancun, where they make both visa and hotel arrangements. However, the risk of unlicensed travel is a maximum criminal fine of $250,000 and a civil fine of up to $50,000.

http://www.salon.com/june97/wanderlust/lustletter970603.html
 
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Jesse fuckin' Rice said:
Maybe they just frown upon it. I never see packages to go down there...but if yo go to Canada, they ENCOURAGE you to go there. Got packages for like $150 for 3 days!

EDIT: This is what i found out about the subject...

First, the law. According to the Trading with the Enemy Act of 1963, American citizens cannot spend money relating to Cuban travel unless they are licensed to do so. You can apply for a travel license if you are one of the following: a journalist, a government employee traveling on official business, a member of an international organization of which the U.S. is also a member, or a relative of someone living in Cuba.

Do you have to have a license to visit Cuba? No. Reportedly, U.S. travelers have arranged visits to Cuba without an official license, usually flying via Cancun, where they make both visa and hotel arrangements. However, the risk of unlicensed travel is a maximum criminal fine of $250,000 and a civil fine of up to $50,000.

http://www.salon.com/june97/wanderlust/lustletter970603.html
I am from europe and for us it is no problem going to Cuba, but I have met several Americans last year saying the exact same thing as above I thought this was absurd. They told me if they wanted to visit Cuba they had to travel through another country mostly Candada or Mexico. And they asked not to get a stamp in their passports at the Cuban airport.


This movie looks intresting I will be on the lookout for it.
 
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yeah its illegal in THE US to pay to travel to cuba....isnt that retarded???? they not only tellin us what we can do but where we can go now......fucc the laws.....i wanna visit the home of my ancestors i should be allowed to.....
 
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the World Health Orginization ranked Cubas health care system number 1 in the world. I forget Americas rank, I think it was something around 15. I cant find any recent rankings, can anyone find this?
 
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the World Health Orginization ranked Cubas health care system number 1 in the world. I forget Americas rank, I think it was something around 15. I cant find any recent rankings, can anyone find this?
"The World Health Organization ranks health care systems based on objective measures of medical outcomes: The United States' health care system currently ranks 37th in the world, behind Colombia and Portugal; the United States ranks 44th in the world in infant mortality, behind many impoverished Latin American countries. While infant mortality in the United States is skewed toward poor people, who have rates double the wealthy, the top quintile of the U.S. population has infant mortality rates higher than Canadians in the lowest quintile of wealth.​

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"The United States has fewer physicians, nurses and hospital beds than most developed nations. In the United States, 28 percent say it is "difficult to get care"; in most European countries, Japan, Australia and New Zealand, 15 percent say that. In terms of continuity of care (i.e., five-plus years with the same doctor), the United States is the worst of all developed nations. By every objective measure, the United States has a second-rate health care system."​

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There is a 150,000 nurse shortage in the US as of last year. The reason being that no one here wants to teach new nurses becuase of the pay and time restraints. In other countries like India, i BELEIVE it is free, do not quote me.

I dont have the sources for this, I saw this on 20/20 last year and found it interesting. Im sure i got some thigns wrong, but ill dig up an article later.
 
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That nurse shortage is going to get alot worse. There's alot of old nurses out there retiring in the next 10-15 years.





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"The United States has fewer physicians, nurses and hospital beds than most developed nations. In the United States, 28 percent say it is "difficult to get care"; in most European countries, Japan, Australia and New Zealand, 15 percent say that. In terms of continuity of care (i.e., five-plus years with the same doctor), the United States is the worst of all developed nations. By every objective measure, the United States has a second-rate health care system."​

Do we have more prison beds than hospital beds in this country?
 
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MOORE'S 'SICKO' STUNT
TAKES 9/11 WORKERS TO CUBA
http://www.nypost.com/seven/04152007/news/worldnews/moores_sicko_stunt_worldnews_janon_fisher.htm
By JANON FISHER

April 15, 2007 -- Filmmaker Michael Moore's production company took ailing Ground Zero responders to Cuba in a stunt aimed at showing that the U.S. health-care system is inferior to Fidel Castro's socialized medicine, according to several sources with knowledge of the trip.

The trip was to be filmed as part of the controversial director's latest documentary, "Sicko," an attack on American drug companies and HMOs that Moore hopes to debut at the Cannes Film Festival next month.

Two years in the making, the flick also takes aim at the medical care being provided to people who worked on the toxic World Trade Center debris pile, according to several 9/11 workers approached by Moore's producers.

But the sick sojourn, which some say uses ill 9/11 workers as pawns, has angered many in the responder community.

"He's using people that are in a bad situation and that's wrong, that's morally wrong," railed Jeff Endean, a former SWAT commander from Morris County, N.J., who spent a month at Ground Zero and suffers from respiratory problems.

A spokeswoman for the Weinstein Co., the film's distributor, would not say when the director's latest expose would hit cinemas or provide details about the film or the trip.

Responders were told Cuban doctors had developed new techniques for treating lung cancer and other respiratory illness, and that health care in the communist country was free, according to those offered the two-week February trip.

Cuba has made recent advancements in biotechnology and exports its cancer treatments to 40 countries around the world, raking in an estimated $100 million a year, according to The Associated Press.

In 2004 the U.S. government granted an exception to its economic embargo against Cuba and allowed a California drug company to test three cancer vaccines developed in Havana, according to the AP.

Regardless, some ill 9/11 workers balked at Moore's idea.

"I would rather die in America than go to Cuba," said Joe Picurro, a Toms River, N.J., ironworker approached by the filmmaker via an e-mail that read, "Joe and Mike in Cuba."

After helping remove debris from Ground Zero, Picurro has a laundry list of respiratory and other ailments so bad that he relies on fund-raisers to help pay his expenses.

He said, "I just laughed. I couldn't do it."


Another ill worker who said he was willing to take the trip ended up being stiffed by Moore.
April 15, 2007 -- CONTINUED

Michael McCormack, 48, a disabled medic who found an American flag at Ground Zero that once flew atop the Twin Towers, was all set to go to.


The film crew contacted him by phone and took him by limo from his Ridge, L.I., home to Manhattan for an on-camera interview.

"What he [Moore] wanted to do is shove it up George W's rear end that 9/11 heroes had to go to a communist country to get adequate health care," said McCormack, who suffers from chronic respiratory illness.


But McCormack said he was abandoned by Moore. At a March fund-raiser for another 9/11 responder in New Jersey, McCormack learned Moore had gone to Cuba without him.

"It's the ultimate betrayal," he said. "You're promised that you're going to be taken care of and then you find out you're not. He's trying to profiteer off of our suffering."


Moore's publicist did not return calls from The Post. But McCormack played a tape for The Post of a telephone conversation between himself and a Moore producer. The woman is heard apologizing for not taking McCormack, while saying the production company was not offering anyone guarantees of a cure.

"Even for the people that we did bring down to Cuba, we said we can promise that you will be evaluated, that you will get looked at," said the woman. "We can't promise that you will get fixed."


Participants in the Cuba trip were forced to sign a confidentiality agreement prohibiting them from talking about the project, the sources said.

Travel to Cuba is severely restricted from the United States, but Moore's crew was granted access, the producer told McCormack, through a "general license that allows for journalistic endeavors there."


Some called the trip a success, at least logistics-wise.

"From what I heard through the grapevine, those people that went are utterly happy," said John Feal, who runs the Fealgood Foundation to help raise money for responders and was approached by Moore to find responders willing to take the trip.

"They got the Elvis treatment."

Although he has been a critic of Cuba, Moore grew popular there after a pirated version of his movie, "Fahrenheit 9/11," was played on state-owned TV.


Additional reporting provided by Jill Culora, Susan Edelman and Ginger Adams Otis

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LOS ANGELES - Academy Award-winning filmmaker Michael Moore is under investigation by the U.S. Treasury Department for taking ailing Sept. 11 rescue workers to Cuba for a segment in his upcoming health-care documentary "Sicko," The Associated Press has learned.

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The investigation provides another contentious lead-in for a provocative film by Moore, a fierce critic of President Bush. In the past, Moore's adversaries have fanned publicity that helped the filmmaker create a new brand of opinionated blockbuster documentary.

"Sicko" promises to take the health-care industry to task the way Moore confronted America's passion for guns in "Bowling for Columbine" and skewered Bush over his handling of Sept. 11 in "Fahrenheit 9/11."

The Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control notified Moore in a letter dated May 2 that it was conducting a civil investigation for possible violations of the U.S. trade embargo restricting travel to Cuba. A copy of the letter was obtained Tuesday by the AP.

"This office has no record that a specific license was issued authorizing you to engage in travel-related transactions involving Cuba," Dale Thompson, OFAC chief of general investigations and field operations, wrote in the letter to Moore.

In February, Moore took about 10 ailing workers from the Ground Zero rescue effort in Manhattan for treatment in Cuba, said a person working with the filmmaker on the release of "Sicko." The person requested anonymity because Moore's attorneys had not yet determined how to respond.

Moore, who scolded Bush over the Iraq war during the 2003 Oscar telecast, received the letter Monday, the person said. "Sicko" premieres May 19 at the Cannes Film Festival and debuts in U.S. theaters June 29.

Moore declined to comment, said spokeswoman Lisa Cohen.

After receiving the letter, Moore arranged to place a copy of the film in a "safe house" outside the country to protect it from government interference, said the person working on the release of the film.

Treasury officials declined to answer questions about the letter. "We don't comment on enforcement actions," said department spokeswoman Molly Millerwise.

The letter noted that Moore applied Oct. 12, 2006, for permission to go to Cuba "but no determination had been made by OFAC." Moore sought permission to travel there under a provision for full-time journalists, the letter said.

According to the letter, Moore was given 20 business days to provide OFAC with such information as the date of travel and point of departure; the reason for the Cuba trip and his itinerary there; and the names and addresses of those who accompanied him, along with their reasons for going.

Potential penalties for violating the embargo were not indicated. In 2003, the New York Yankees paid the government $75,000 to settle a dispute that it conducted business in Cuba in violation of the embargo. No specifics were released about that case.

"Sicko" is Moore's followup to 2004's "Fahrenheit 9/11," a $100 million hit criticizing the Bush administration over Sept. 11. Moore's "Bowling for Columbine" won the 2002 Oscar for best documentary.

A dissection of the U.S. health-care system, "Sicko" was inspired by a segment on Moore's TV show "The Awful Truth," in which he staged a mock funeral outside a health-maintenance organization that had declined a pancreas transplant for a diabetic man. The HMO later relented.

At last September's Toronto International Film Festival, Moore previewed footage shot for "Sicko," presenting stories of personal health-care nightmares. One scene showed a woman who was denied payment for an ambulance ride after a head-on collision because it was not preapproved.

Moore's opponents have accused him of distorting the facts, and his Cuba trip provoked criticism from conservatives including former Republican Sen. Fred Thompson, who assailed the filmmaker in a blog at National Review Online.

"I have no expectation that Moore is going to tell the truth about Cuba or health care," wrote Thompson, the subject of speculation about a possible presidential run. "I defend his right to do what he does, but Moore's talent for clever falsehoods has been too well documented."

The timing of the investigation is reminiscent of the firestorm that preceded the Cannes debut of "Fahrenheit 9/11," which won the festival's top prize in 2004. The Walt Disney Co. refused to let subsidiary Miramax release the film because of its political content, prompting Miramax bosses Harvey and Bob Weinstein to release "Fahrenheit 9/11" on their own.

The Weinsteins later left Miramax to form the Weinstein Co., which is releasing "Sicko." They declined to comment on the Treasury investigation, said company spokeswoman Sarah Levinson Rothman.
 
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I would rather die in America than go to Cuba," said Joe Picurro, a Toms River, N.J., ironworker approached by the filmmaker via an e-mail that read, "Joe and Mike in Cuba."

WELL DIE THEN, WHAT DOES HE CARE IF OTHERS DO WANT TO LIVE LONGER AND GET THE TREATMENT IN CUBA THAT THEY CANT GET IN THE US