Natas- Most slept on group in hip hop history

[smokindro]

IPUK do you honestly believe Esham is the worst rapper ever? Obviously it's your opinion that you don't like him, which I can respect, but worse rapper ever? When I started this thread I knew not everyone was going to be favorable to my favorite hip hop group, but you cant possibly think Eminem (for example) or Soulja boy(LOL) or Lil wayne flows better or has better subject matter or better beats than E. I mean what the fucc are these other rappers really saying thats so much better than E. Why cant you list your three favorite hip hop artists? I'm also interested to see what type of shit you listen to.


Yo Croc, thats a nice looking site you put together.




DRO

 

[007SYBORG]

THANKX DRO

 

[THE ACIDRAPTOR]

The wicket sh!t will still neva die hahahaaaaaa!!!!!!

 

[Mayor of Tracy]

Then it makes my point even more relevant...the beats, IMO, were AWFUL for the most part. So Esham is not only a shitty rapper, but he is a shitty producer to.



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So becuase Esham was "all into satanism", that makes him "way more out there"? How so? Have you ever LISTENED to NIP? Youre accusing ME of not listening to what Esham has to say, and turning right around and being a hypocrite about NIP, whom apparently YOU have not listened to thoroughly. Cmon now.

NIP was just as much a social comentator as Esham was, as he addressed alot of racial incilinations in a place where racism is STILL alive and well. NIP was always more lyical (of course that is not hard to achieve when we are comparing to Eahsm) and WAAAAAAY more complex than Esham could EVER be.



In which you follow up with this statement:



The problem is Esham aint no "true master"...excpet for a true master at making terrible records. I CAN DO THAT.

Look, do you like Esham? Yes? Great! This is ALL a matter of opinion..THATS IT. Its not like a sports team: if you are 0-16, you are a BAD team, period. Preferences are something everyone has. I happen to think Esham is overrated and one of the worst rappers...EVER...and have stated WHY I feel this way. We can argue for another 20 years and it wont MATTER.

Homie if you don't like Esham then get the fuck out. No one here gives a crap about your blah blah blah. I sure as hell wouldn't put the effort you have displayed in this thread to try and discredit some artist I don't like. Because I couldn't really give a shit. You are the one arguing you fucking idiot. So you are just looking like a dumb ass with too much time on your hands. But oh well.

If you are trying to make this into a NIP Vs Esham thing then I don't give a fuck about that either. I like NIP and actually have Interview With a Killa in my car right now. Dudes hard. NIP does have some socially relevant shit but his style is nothing like Esham's. That's my point. They aren't that similar.

 

[Mayor of Tracy]

And this right here is some dope way out there Esham. Listen to this on acid. Lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA-Pgr6HiHU

Original beat, flow, lyrics, and all. Not just some shock value shit.

 

[Mayor of Tracy]

And here's some classic Esham. Insane beat with some wicket fucking lyrics. Some hard ass shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbG-q8hqhEg

 

[Lu_]

you can say esham is not according to your taste of music, but to say that the dude is plain terrible loses the merit in that statement. i'm listening to natas/esham for years, and i can openly say that he is not even close to being limited in his lyrics. he can flip some tight verses. the production is so diverse that some songs are hit n miss. however, i'm not feeling at all his new albums. shit is garbage to me.
as far as nip goes, never felt his music. it sounds corny, boring, and wack to me. to each his own.

tnt and mastamind were tight to me as well. in fact, natas - life after death, and esham's boomin words from hell/kkkill the fetus, get the most play.

here's a dope track by tnt from blaz4me


mastamind - dirty mind

 

[Mike Manson]

do your microwave still have the nob timer on it?

Yes.

 

[007SYBORG]

WET PUSSY ON SATURDAY NIGHT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL8SsBn-bWk

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

Homie if you don't like Esham then get the fuck out. No one here gives a crap about your blah blah blah. I sure as hell wouldn't put the effort you have displayed in this thread to try and discredit some artist I don't like. Because I couldn't really give a shit. You are the one arguing you fucking idiot. So you are just looking like a dumb ass with too much time on your hands. But oh well.

And you sound majorly BUTT husrt becuase I dont agree with you...its OK, its natural human reaction.

If you didnt give a shit, you wouldnt have engaged in the debate for the last 3 posts...but you did. So what does that say about you?

Oh no, sport, i never look like a dumbass...but nice job deflecting. Defenese mechanisms are fun, arent they?

And i get paid to sit on my ass and surf the net all day. So yes, i have PLENTY of time to post here. As a matter of fact, i dont even COME HERE when im not working.

If you are trying to make this into a NIP Vs Esham thing then I don't give a fuck about that either.

Who said anythin about that? I was simply using a compairable artist so I could get my point accross. I could have used a dozen others but chose him becuase they came out around the same time.

I like NIP and actually have Interview With a Killa in my car right now. Dudes hard. NIP does have some socially relevant shit but his style is nothing like Esham's. That's my point. They aren't that similar.

So only "style" makes someone similar to someone else? What about CONTENT? To many fans of rap get caught up in "style"....bascially, you are saying pattern wise, Esham and NIP are different...Uhhhh...no SHIT Sherlock! Do Twista and TI have the same style? No...but they both spit about similar SUBJECTs...thats what is referred to as CONTENT. Content > style.

I find it hilarious when people get offended when someone doesnt disagree with them, which in turn makes then sling mud at that person. This really shows true "stan" like qualities. Its as if you feel that I am somehow insulting YOU becuase I dont like an artist you obviously do. Homie, it aint nothin personal. I dont know you from a can a oil, slick....i simply jumped in the conversation to voice my OPINION. That is why this message board EXISTS. If everyone just agreed with one another, that would make for a fairly boring forum now wouldnt it?

Bottom line: Esham sucks as a rapper and producer, IMHO. Deal with it.

 

[Mayor of Tracy]

LMAO at this cubicle internet surfing fag. Lol. So you're just wasting other people's time. And offended? Please. I listen to Esham. It's hard to be offended by anything after listening to that shit. We got your point the first time. You don't like him. But that doesn't change the fact he has a good amount of fans, is a legend, and has influenced a grip of people in the midwest. Your personal opinion doesn't deny that. Bottom line. Now I'm done with you.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

LMAO at this cubicle internet surfing fag. Lol. So you're just wasting other people's time.

The only time im wasting is the company's..thats called "pimping the system".

Cubicle? Oh no, son...i have my own OFFICE, with my name on the door. Nice try at discrediting me, though.

And offended? Please. I listen to Esham. It's hard to be offended by anything after listening to that shit. We got your point the first time. You don't like him.

True, but then you say this as if its the truth:

But that doesn't change the fact he has a good amount of fans, is a legend, and has influenced a grip of people in the midwest.

This is YOUR personal opinion. Dont be a hypocrite.

Your personal opinion doesn't deny that. Bottom line. Now I'm done with you.

And your personal opinion doesnt validate that, either. See how that works?

Now, im done with YOU.

Have a nice day, champ.

 

[Mayor of Tracy]

This is YOUR personal opinion. Dont be a hypocrite.

Oh so I guess all the other rappers that have cited Esham as a main influence and legend are all just lying. Lol.

 

[Mayor of Tracy]

The only time im wasting is the company's..thats called "pimping the system"

LMAO at your description of "pimping the system" as surfing the net all day on company time. That's the funniest thing I've heard all week. Thank you.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

pfffffffffffft, Esham/Natas made some classic shit, i don't care what anyone says. I don't care if people don't like them (actually I kinda prefer it that way) but to deny the talent and originality is crazy talk. Sure, they aren't as good as they once were but what rapper is after 20 years in the game???

Esham a bad rapper? Yeah right. He has so many damn songs that you can find some lazy ass lyrics or recycled lyrics, etc., but he has came with sick shit countless number of times. Same goes with his production, he's made some of the most original and bangin beats I've ever heard in my life and on the flip side he's also made some strange, lazy or just plain crappy beats. But again that's true for anyone, especially someone who has pumped out soooooooooo many tracks over so many years. I have a folder on my computer for Esham/Natas and it's literally hundreds and hundreds of songs that span a period from 1989 to 2009.

And as far as NATAS, Mastamind is one of the most underrated rappers imo. I've never ever heard anyone with his sound, his type of flow. In fact I've never heard him come wack on the mic. Every Natas album was a classic, especially dubelieveingod and www.com.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Very serious. Ever listened to his verse on Playa Hata on Dayton Family's F.B.I. album? I press "next track" before his verse becuase it literally RUINS the song. One of the WORST verses i have EVER heard in my ENTIRE life.

wow, that's a crappy way to judge Esham off of that verse. For whatever reason he came with that kind of flow, which was never the way he flowed. That album dropped roughly around the same time Closed Casket came out. Compare any verse on Closed Casked to that one verse on Dayton Family. No comparison whatsoever.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

pfffffffffffft, Esham/Natas made some classic shit, i don't care what anyone says. I don't care if people don't like them (actually I kinda prefer it that way) but to deny the talent and originality is crazy talk. Sure, they aren't as good as they once were but what rapper is after 20 years in the game???

Esham a bad rapper? Yeah right. He has so many damn songs that you can find some lazy ass lyrics or recycled lyrics, etc., but he has came with sick shit countless number of times. Same goes with his production, he's made some of the most original and bangin beats I've ever heard in my life and on the flip side he's also made some strange, lazy or just plain crappy beats. But again that's true for anyone, especially someone who has pumped out soooooooooo many tracks over so many years. I have a folder on my computer for Esham/Natas and it's literally hundreds and hundreds of songs that span a period from 1989 to 2009.

Proof positive that Communists LOVE Esham!

And as far as NATAS, Mastamind is one of the most underrated rappers imo. I've never ever heard anyone with his sound, his type of flow. In fact I've never heard him come wack on the mic. Every Natas album was a classic, especially dubelieveingod and www.com.[/QUOTE]

Mastamind > TNT > Esham, no contest.

Only 2 Natas albums are worth owning, and I do...the first 2 albums. Anything else beyond that = CRAP. But, again, thats just my opinion.

wow, that's a crappy way to judge Esham off of that verse. For whatever reason he came with that kind of flow, which was never the way he flowed. That album dropped roughly around the same time Closed Casket came out. Compare any verse on Closed Casked to that one verse on Dayton Family. No comparison whatsoever.

That verse just sticks out HELLA to me becuase FBI is one of the best records to come out of the Midwest and everytime his verse comes on...i want to punch babies in the face.

Like i said, i could handle his EARLIER shit with NATAS, but all his solos were "meh" to me.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Mastamind > TNT > Esham, no contest.

TNT is basically the hype man and 99% (or quite possible 100%) of his lyrics are written by Esham so that's logically impossible.

Mastamind is more consistent than esham, but the real creativity and lyrical content (when he tries) goes to esham.

Only 2 Natas albums are worth owning, and I do...the first 2 albums. Anything else beyond that = CRAP. But, again, thats just my opinion.

Life After Death
Blaz4me
Doubelievengod
Multikillionaire:
Wicket World Wide

All classics imo. And timing is relative, meaning if you go back now some of that shit sounds out dated, but when they dropped there simply was nothing like it.

Like i said, i could handle his EARLIER shit with NATAS, but all his solos were "meh" to me.

I dunno man, closed casket was insane to me. Dead Flowers was dope and of course, all of his earlier solo albums at the time were dope. My opinion of course.

I'm just sayin to say he's the worst rapper or whatever, or to deny his originality and/or his influence on the rap game in general is crazy talk to me, regardless if you like his music or not.

The one thing I'll criticize Esham on is I think he's a lazy rapper, or became a lazy rapper after a certain point in time, which I guess is expected if you've been rappin since 13. Meaning there is an inconsistency, when he puts an effort he's sick both on the mic and with his production, but when he's lazy his lyrics may be recycled and beats feel unfinished or sloppy. But a lot of that has to do with his long life of drug abuse that obviously effected his music, both in positive ways and negative.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

I dunno man, closed casket was insane to me. Dead Flowers was dope and of course, all of his earlier solo albums at the time were dope. My opinion of course.

I bought all these albums ON TAPE when tey came out, and they only received mild replay value even back then. I actually re-bought Dead Flowers on CD back in 2000...hated it.

I'm just sayin to say he's the worst rapper or whatever, or to deny his originality and/or his influence on the rap game in general is crazy talk to me, regardless if you like his music or not.

There is obviously some extension of hyperbole in my posts, as I was merely getting a point across. Esham is not worse than Crunchy Black by any stretch of thought. I could easily name 20 MC's worse than Esham.

The one thing I'll criticize Esham on is I think he's a lazy rapper, or became a lazy rapper after a certain point in time, which I guess is expected if you've been rappin since 13. Meaning there is an inconsistency, when he puts an effort he's sick both on the mic and with his production, but when he's lazy his lyrics may be recycled and beats feel unfinished or sloppy. But a lot of that has to do with his long life of drug abuse that obviously effected his music, both in positive ways and negative.

Truth.

 

[The Evil Genius]

NIP and Esham have different styles to a degree but it all falls inder the Horrorcore umbrella.

Esham's music and Natas music are not for everyone.....Its just way too different.

Esham has had some good albums and has had some insane verses but he has also had some garbage ass verses and some garbage ass albums......I've been listening to this dude since I was 15 and I'm 31 now.....I can say he is influential and has made history.

I remember when Pac dropped All Eyez On Me and media and magazines were talking about him dropping a double album and no rapper has ever did that blah blah blah......Sometime around 99-00 Source and other mags wrae like "Oh we made a mistake....Apparently Pac wasn't the first rapper to drop another album....A Detroit rapper did it like 4 years before Pac"......$hort dropped his 10th album and everybody was on him talking about no artist had made it to 10 albums.....Esham was pass 10 albums by then......Then he dropped the A-1 Yola album with a video to every song.......Several months before 50 rereleased the Massacre

I like Esham and Natas but I never tried to turn them on to other people cuz Most people will not be receptive towards that kind of music.

Dude is not the greatest emcee by far but he's w/o a doubt in the top 3 as far as most creative.

Dude does not have a fanbase but a Cult following and I'd rather have followers over fans anyday of the week.