Myth or high science? Is there evidence of Mr. Yakub?
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what about all the high ranking NOI members that are part scientific experiment and part black? It's no secret so many of these leadership figures have such light skin. Why is that? Malcolm X, grandpa was white, no surprise there as his skin was so fair. Cassius Clay, they made him change his name to muhammad ali saying he had a slave name, but as it turned out, it was no slave name he just happened to be part Irish (again, no surprise with his fair skin even though he called joe fraizer repeatedly an uncle tom when fraizer was much more black than ali ever was). Elijah Muhammad, Wallace Fard Muhammad, such light skin.
So if whites were considered Devil because they were grafted or altered from the original humans (black), what does that make the light skinned NOI leaders? i dunno
So if whites were considered Devil because they were grafted or altered from the original humans (black), what does that make the light skinned NOI leaders? i dunno
what about all the high ranking NOI members that are part scientific experiment and part black? It's no secret so many of these leadership figures have such light skin. Why is that? Malcolm X, grandpa was white, no surprise there as his skin was so fair. Cassius Clay, they made him change his name to muhammad ali saying he had a slave name, but as it turned out, it was no slave name he just happened to be part Irish (again, no surprise with his fair skin even though he called joe fraizer repeatedly an uncle tom when fraizer was much more black than ali ever was). Elijah Muhammad, Wallace Fard Muhammad, such light skin.
So if whites were considered Devil because they were grafted or altered from the original humans (black), what does that make the light skinned NOI leaders? i dunno
So if whites were considered Devil because they were grafted or altered from the original humans (black), what does that make the light skinned NOI leaders? i dunno
On the leadership...I can't say for sure but I don't think it would matter because the NOI believes the white gene is weak, so it's "evil" nature cannot and will not subsume/overpower the black genes present in their leadership.
But why should he defend his beliefs, what threat is he under, what true challenge does he face?
BENNY BLANCO:
Wouldn't it be better to discuss things yourself instead of relying on someone else to speak for you?
It seems to me that religious organizations have no need for science when it contradicts their teachings but as soon as something can be construed to somewhat support their beliefs they say, "see, even science says so!"
It's pretty clear that the article is far from objective so I don't see this as any confirmation, especially since biased writers are known to take things out of context and twist the truth to fit the parameters of their own beliefs.
...I don't know that seems like a passive aggressive attack on his belief, if it isn't I don't know why you would write that.
BENNY BLANCO:
Wouldn't it be better to discuss things yourself instead of relying on someone else to speak for you?
It seems to me that religious organizations have no need for science when it contradicts their teachings but as soon as something can be construed to somewhat support their beliefs they say, "see, even science says so!"
It's pretty clear that the article is far from objective so I don't see this as any confirmation, especially since biased writers are known to take things out of context and twist the truth to fit the parameters of their own beliefs.
...I don't know that seems like a passive aggressive attack on his belief, if it isn't I don't know why you would write that.
In my opinion, if you're trying to promote a belief, it would make sense that you should be ready to defend it if questioned. Especially in a forum based around discussion of beliefs and politics.
We both know he's not under threat, and I didn't imply there was any kind of threat.
Everyone who has an opinion/belief usually has it challenged in some form or another. The result of that challenge is what either reaffirms your belief or changes it.
I wrote that in response to this:
We both know he's not under threat, and I didn't imply there was any kind of threat.
Everyone who has an opinion/belief usually has it challenged in some form or another. The result of that challenge is what either reaffirms your belief or changes it.
I wrote that in response to this:
We both know he's not under threat, and I didn't imply there was any kind of threat.
Everyone who has an opinion/belief usually has it challenged in some form or another. The result of that challenge is what either reaffirms your belief or changes it.
I wrote that in response to this:[/QUOTE]
I wasn't aware he was promoting his beliefs or that he had used the siccness to promote the teachings of the NOI... True people's beliefs are put to the test but they're not required to do anything unless there is mortal danger or they are trying to impose their belies on others and it just seems that CB made a thread, and everybody threw Reese's name in there. WHen he responded he gave a simple answer, "either you wit it or you not." And that's what human beliefs/movements, etc. boil down to. Propaganda and what propaganda you agree with. I mean this is in a relative sense since I can't say what is right in actuality since human reality is shaped by our on special takes on the world. So Reese follows the teachings of the NOI, and most of the other posters don't, and think their (the NOI's) teachings are absolutely absurd, laughable, and that most common NOI members are being bamboozled. We can either sit here and act like we are trying to civilly discuss our concerns about the NOI's teachings -all the while one group is trying to show how "stupid" the other is, and the other ends up trying to defend himself and his beliefs, or we can keep it real and those who disagree can say "hey, fuck that NOI shit I don't follow it," and that's that. Because, as I said, it's all propaganda and unless someone is going to make a physical move, every anti-NOI poster in the argument is beating off while Reese done fucked the bitch and is out to get some paper.
That's what I've got from his posts here in regards to his faith. I've also noticed that with another poster here that talks about Judaism. I wouldn't say they were proselytizing though.
Everybody didn't mention Reese's name. One person did.
He posted twice and it was slightly more than your paraphrased quote. Go back and check it.
Of course with that point of view everything is in question and insubstantial. You can apply that to every kind of opinion and that's kind of pointless, IMO, in a discussion that brings the issue of science into it. You can apply the same thing to the debate whether Creationism/Intelligent Design should be taught in schools and then fall back on that when you can't reasonably argue it's merits.
Which someone tried to do, REESE attempted to continue the discussion but then resorted to "ACCEPT IT OR REJECT IT."
Obviously Reese or anyone else doesn't have to answer to anyone. But again, I don't see the point of saying "How can anyone continue to dispel this as nonsense..." And then when R says, "just because others believe something doesn't make it true," simply resorting to a simplistic phrase. Nothing in R's post was ridiculing Reese or his religion.
I think it's counterproductive and it's a tactic that's usually used by people who want to stay insulated from opposing views.
When discussing hot topics I noticed many people try to end honest discussion with simplistic phrases:
"You're either with us or you're with the terrorists!"
"Love it or leave it."
"Why do you hate America?"
Isn't Reese continuing to post in this thread?
Everybody didn't mention Reese's name. One person did.
He posted twice and it was slightly more than your paraphrased quote. Go back and check it.
Of course with that point of view everything is in question and insubstantial. You can apply that to every kind of opinion and that's kind of pointless, IMO, in a discussion that brings the issue of science into it. You can apply the same thing to the debate whether Creationism/Intelligent Design should be taught in schools and then fall back on that when you can't reasonably argue it's merits.
Which someone tried to do, REESE attempted to continue the discussion but then resorted to "ACCEPT IT OR REJECT IT."
Obviously Reese or anyone else doesn't have to answer to anyone. But again, I don't see the point of saying "How can anyone continue to dispel this as nonsense..." And then when R says, "just because others believe something doesn't make it true," simply resorting to a simplistic phrase. Nothing in R's post was ridiculing Reese or his religion.
I think it's counterproductive and it's a tactic that's usually used by people who want to stay insulated from opposing views.
When discussing hot topics I noticed many people try to end honest discussion with simplistic phrases:
"You're either with us or you're with the terrorists!"
"Love it or leave it."
"Why do you hate America?"
Isn't Reese continuing to post in this thread?
I come by and check it every so often Benny just to see what direction the conversation is going in. I feel I summed it up when I spoke on those who want to cause mischief, and argue just for the sake of arguing and disagreeing.
When I first came into the Nation, I was "on fire" as they say, willing to go through hell and highwater to debate the teachings with anyone. Someone brought a bible out, I was quick to go in on them, and on thier beliefs, and show through the Bible and the Quran the "error" in what they believed in.
One day I was talkin to a Minister in the nation, and he had told me a story about when he had first come in, and how "fired up" he was. He said that he had got into a debate with a Baptist Preacher and was "whoopin" him with the teachings. When he reported to who was the Minister at that time that he had a 2 hour long conversation in which he was smashing on the other mans beliefs, the Minister simply asked him, "Well Brother, did you make a convert?".....The answer was "No."
So for me to sit here and go thru the motions of WHY, and PROVE to some faceless screen name on why I believe on how I believe, is pointless and done in vain. Especially when one is not even entering this conversation with an open mind. There are those who are already dead set in thier ways, and even when a higher truth is presented to them, they will still go against it and rebel.
I dont push my beliefs on no one. I will defend it when those become malicious, but as far as proving anything to anyone. I'm not here for that. I think it is somewhat of a novelty to some to actually have a conversation, and be able to ask certain questions to someone in the Nation. Those same questions that one would not ask or try to debate with a Brother or a Sister if you had seen them in person. Here on a message board its "safe". I'm not saying at all that there is any threat of potential violence if you were to have a civil discussion with any of the believers you may encounter in real life. It is mind baffling in a way because I think, that if it was knowledge that some of you truly are seeking, or a clear understanding, then why not ask me for the contact information of the local Mosque or Study Group that is in your area? This way you inquries will be answered in person. Here on the internet, I will speak, and then one will go do a Google search and find something that is in contradiction of what I said, then come back post it, and wait for a rebuttal from me. This can go on and on and on.
Thats why I stopped it and said. "Either you accept it, or reject it". That is.
For the record, this whole post was not directed at you Benny. There are a few more that pop up on this site whenever the NOI is mentioned. SO Im speaking to those people as a whole. If it dont apply, let it fly....
LOL...now I have "fucked the bitch and am leaving this thread to get some paper":cheeky:
When I first came into the Nation, I was "on fire" as they say, willing to go through hell and highwater to debate the teachings with anyone. Someone brought a bible out, I was quick to go in on them, and on thier beliefs, and show through the Bible and the Quran the "error" in what they believed in.
One day I was talkin to a Minister in the nation, and he had told me a story about when he had first come in, and how "fired up" he was. He said that he had got into a debate with a Baptist Preacher and was "whoopin" him with the teachings. When he reported to who was the Minister at that time that he had a 2 hour long conversation in which he was smashing on the other mans beliefs, the Minister simply asked him, "Well Brother, did you make a convert?".....The answer was "No."
So for me to sit here and go thru the motions of WHY, and PROVE to some faceless screen name on why I believe on how I believe, is pointless and done in vain. Especially when one is not even entering this conversation with an open mind. There are those who are already dead set in thier ways, and even when a higher truth is presented to them, they will still go against it and rebel.
I dont push my beliefs on no one. I will defend it when those become malicious, but as far as proving anything to anyone. I'm not here for that. I think it is somewhat of a novelty to some to actually have a conversation, and be able to ask certain questions to someone in the Nation. Those same questions that one would not ask or try to debate with a Brother or a Sister if you had seen them in person. Here on a message board its "safe". I'm not saying at all that there is any threat of potential violence if you were to have a civil discussion with any of the believers you may encounter in real life. It is mind baffling in a way because I think, that if it was knowledge that some of you truly are seeking, or a clear understanding, then why not ask me for the contact information of the local Mosque or Study Group that is in your area? This way you inquries will be answered in person. Here on the internet, I will speak, and then one will go do a Google search and find something that is in contradiction of what I said, then come back post it, and wait for a rebuttal from me. This can go on and on and on.
Thats why I stopped it and said. "Either you accept it, or reject it". That is.
For the record, this whole post was not directed at you Benny. There are a few more that pop up on this site whenever the NOI is mentioned. SO Im speaking to those people as a whole. If it dont apply, let it fly....
LOL...now I have "fucked the bitch and am leaving this thread to get some paper":cheeky:
Here is the problem, Reese. No one who has exchanged with you in this thread, or mentioned you, has said anything that you can misconstrue as being an attack, mischief, etc. When Benny said, "It's pretty clear that the article is far from objective so I don't see this as any confirmation, especially since biased writers are known to take things out of context and twist the truth to fit the parameters of their own beliefs" he was absolutely correct. That wasn't an attack on you but is simply critical reading/thinking and questioning the tactics of biased writers.