Mike Massenzio: "It's not win or lose; it's live or die"
To say that Mike Massenzio has flown under the radar since his UFC debut would be one of the great understatements of the year. You might not anticipate that lack of attention when reviewing Massenzio's UFC debut against Drew McFedries or his lengthy list of accomplishments as a competitive wrestler.
While the lengthy resume -- which includes being named New Jersey state high school wrestling champion twice, national high school champion in 2001, and junior college national champion in 2004 -- is altogether impressive, Massenzio admittedly would trade them all in for a win against the man who gave him the one loss he was never given the opportunity to avenge.
During their first fateful meeting in the finals of the 2003 junior college national championships, Massenzio's younger opponent, C.B. Dollaway, would squeak out a win against his older and heavily favored foe. It was a loss of which Massenzio has never been able to shake the memory.
"The feeling is as fresh as if it happened yesterday," Massenzio told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "Especially because I never got a chance to face him again. My wrestling record was 142-10. Each one of those losses I was able to redeem except for the one to him."
He’ll get his long awaited shot at redemption for that one haunting loss this Saturday at "UFC 92: The Ultimate 2008" in Las Vegas when he squares off against the one that got away.
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MMAjunkie.com: A little background on the history the two of you share: You faced C.B. Dolloway in the 2003 junior college national championship title match. Dolloway won. The next year you're both at the nationals again, but Dolloway didn’t make it to the finals to face you again. Instead, you competed against the guy that beat Dolloway and win 11-3 to become the 2004 national champion. Is that accurate?
Mike Massenzio: That's about right. I was really looking forward to being able to try and get some get back for that loss like I'd done against everyone that had ever beat me before. I guess it wasn't meant to be until now. It's definitely Karma.
MMAjunkie.com: What was worse, losing to him the first time or not being able to get that chance for redemption?
Mike Massenzio: Honestly, I was devastated after that loss. It was the worst feeling I had ever had mostly because I knew he didn't beat me. I had made a stupid mistake and basically beat myself. I don't take anything away from him, that's what good wrestlers do. They capitalize on the mistakes of their opponents. But I know for a fact he isn't better than me, no way.
MMAjunkie.com: Since we're talking about Karma now, it seems the fates have aligned to give you another shot at Dolloway. What would it mean to you to get your retribution in this fight?
Mike Massenzio: It would definitely be the highlight of my career, not just because the revenge factor, but because he's got the spotlight. He was in the finals of "The Ultimate Fighter" last year, and he’s gotten a lot of publicity from it. To beat him would establish my presence in the UFC. I want to be the best, I want to be the champion.
MMAjunkie.com: Speaking of "The Ultimate Fighter" show, you were offered the opportunity to be on season seven, the same season as Dolloway, but you passed on the opportunity. It is surprising to some people, especially considering over 500 people showed up to the TUF tryouts in Chicago this year, that you would forego an opportunity to launch your career almost overnight. Can you explain what your thinking was when you chose to do that?
Mike Massenzio: There were a few reasons. I had just finished a tournament where I fought several times, and I had a few pretty hampering injuries so I know if I went in the house I would be at a disadvantage. Wow. I didn't know that many people had showed up to try out!
MMAjunkie.com: Injuries or no injuries, when an opportunity comes along like that, can you pass it up?
Mike Massenzio: Well since you ask, looking back I probably would have done it. But it doesn't matter anyway. Now I made it to the UFC. That's where I wanted to be.
MMAjunkie.com: The two of you have an almost identical history -- decorated wrestlers in high school, continued success in college, neither of you had any martial arts training before your decision to pursue MMA as a profession. Do you think this fight comes down to the emphasis in your respective training camps?
Mike Massenzio: We are the spitting image of each other in terms of our previous experience, although I was a year ahead of him. But think that actually works to my advantage. I have a year more experience than him on everything. My camp with Edson Carvalho has more of an emphasis on jiu-jitsu and I know AZCS (Arizona Combat Sports) has a real emphasis on striking. I know it's going to come down to who has the ability to dictate the fight from wherever it ends up.
MMAjunkie.com: Much has been made about that previous history the two of you have. How do you see the fight being different since is an MMA bout and not a wrestling match? And do the striking and submission aspects somehow give you an advantage since your last meeting was a wrestling match?
Mike Massenzio: I believe I'm better than him at every aspect of the game -- striking, jiu -jitsu, and standup. I never thought he was better than me even when he beat me in college, I think that's why I really want to beat him this time. That win in college was a fluke. I've got my chance now to make up for that mistake, and I get to punch him and kick him while I do it.
He's not going to be able to stand the pressure I plan to put on him. We're pretty close in experience, but I've got more heart. When I train, and when I fight, I don't think of it as a win or lose situation. I think of it as live or die, kill or be killed.
MMAjunkie.com: Is it true you never had any amateur MMA bouts before you turned pro?
Mike Massenzio: Never. I got out of college, trained for a while, and went straight to my first pro fight. I've been learning as I go though, and my record shows kind of a trend where I was getting by mostly on my athleticism. But as I got more and more experience in the cage you can see a lot of first-round submission wins. I think it shows my game has steadily improved. You can't be one-sided. I don't care how good you are at one aspect of the game. It took me a while to find myself in the cage and to get comfortable, but I know I'm there now.
MMAjunkie.com: Your UFC debut was not an easy fight on paper. You -- a newcomer -- against a guy with tons of experience like the heavy-handed bruiser, Drew McFedries. You made quick work of him, winning by submission in less than two minutes of the first round. Now you're facing the polar opposite of that in a wrestler who is as versed as you. How do you change up your training to accommodate a guy like Dollaway?
Mike Massenzio: I don't. I train for everyone the same way. I surround myself with the most talented guys to train with as possible. I train hard and always at the same level I fight at. I want to fight the best the UFC has to offer, and to be able to fight the best and beat the best you have to train against the best. I did add a lot of takedown defense and sprawl-and-brawl, and brought in a lot of top-level wrestlers to train with in preparation -- as well as the other aspects of my game. So no matter where the fight ends up, I'm prepared.
MMAjunkie.com: You said your parents were both great athletes growing up. Your dad was all-state in football and baseball and was an accomplished boxer, and your mom was all-state in track. You obviously got your athleticism from them, and you used that ability to get scholarships for wrestling. How do they feel about you pursuing mixed martial arts as a career?
Mike Massenzio: They were supportive. My parents are really great. The one thing they did say was if I was going to do this, don't do it halfway. If you're going to pursue this, you need to commit to it 100 percent. Do it all the way, or don't do it at all. They were like this in anything I competed in. I couldn't quit.
MMAjunkie.com: The smart money would be on this turning into a highly technical wrestling match. Knowing that's what your opponent is expecting, are you planning to try and keep the fight standing up? Or do you want to take him down?
Mike Massenzio: I would love to stand and bang with him, but if it goes to the ground I know my jiu-jitsu is better. He's lost twice to the same person (Amir Sadollah) with the same submission hold. While I know he's probably worked a lot to make sure that doesn't happen again, I still don't think he's ready for what I'm going to present for him with my jiu-jitsu and my standup ability.
MMAjunkie.com: So fast forward to today. It's five years after your wrestling match and the two of you are not only competing against each other again, but on arguably the biggest fight card in the UFC’s history. There are three fights that are arguably worthy of being a main event on their own. What do you think being given an opportunity like this says about you two and your ability as fighters?
Mike Massenzio: It's a big honor to be on the same card with guys like (Antonio Rodrigo) Noguiera and (Quinton) "Rampage" (Jackson). I think it speaks volumes to the opinion the UFC has of C.B. and I. I know the history we have most likely came into play when they made this fight part of the televised card. This is a business, after all. I'm just excited that I get a chance to face a high-level opponent, which is what I came to the UFC to do. And no matter what happens after Saturday, I can say that when the opportunity came along for my shot, I took it. I plan to put on a good show. The only thing else I can say to fans is simple: "Don't blink."
To say that Mike Massenzio has flown under the radar since his UFC debut would be one of the great understatements of the year. You might not anticipate that lack of attention when reviewing Massenzio's UFC debut against Drew McFedries or his lengthy list of accomplishments as a competitive wrestler.
While the lengthy resume -- which includes being named New Jersey state high school wrestling champion twice, national high school champion in 2001, and junior college national champion in 2004 -- is altogether impressive, Massenzio admittedly would trade them all in for a win against the man who gave him the one loss he was never given the opportunity to avenge.
During their first fateful meeting in the finals of the 2003 junior college national championships, Massenzio's younger opponent, C.B. Dollaway, would squeak out a win against his older and heavily favored foe. It was a loss of which Massenzio has never been able to shake the memory.
"The feeling is as fresh as if it happened yesterday," Massenzio told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "Especially because I never got a chance to face him again. My wrestling record was 142-10. Each one of those losses I was able to redeem except for the one to him."
He’ll get his long awaited shot at redemption for that one haunting loss this Saturday at "UFC 92: The Ultimate 2008" in Las Vegas when he squares off against the one that got away.
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MMAjunkie.com: A little background on the history the two of you share: You faced C.B. Dolloway in the 2003 junior college national championship title match. Dolloway won. The next year you're both at the nationals again, but Dolloway didn’t make it to the finals to face you again. Instead, you competed against the guy that beat Dolloway and win 11-3 to become the 2004 national champion. Is that accurate?
Mike Massenzio: That's about right. I was really looking forward to being able to try and get some get back for that loss like I'd done against everyone that had ever beat me before. I guess it wasn't meant to be until now. It's definitely Karma.
MMAjunkie.com: What was worse, losing to him the first time or not being able to get that chance for redemption?
Mike Massenzio: Honestly, I was devastated after that loss. It was the worst feeling I had ever had mostly because I knew he didn't beat me. I had made a stupid mistake and basically beat myself. I don't take anything away from him, that's what good wrestlers do. They capitalize on the mistakes of their opponents. But I know for a fact he isn't better than me, no way.
MMAjunkie.com: Since we're talking about Karma now, it seems the fates have aligned to give you another shot at Dolloway. What would it mean to you to get your retribution in this fight?
Mike Massenzio: It would definitely be the highlight of my career, not just because the revenge factor, but because he's got the spotlight. He was in the finals of "The Ultimate Fighter" last year, and he’s gotten a lot of publicity from it. To beat him would establish my presence in the UFC. I want to be the best, I want to be the champion.
MMAjunkie.com: Speaking of "The Ultimate Fighter" show, you were offered the opportunity to be on season seven, the same season as Dolloway, but you passed on the opportunity. It is surprising to some people, especially considering over 500 people showed up to the TUF tryouts in Chicago this year, that you would forego an opportunity to launch your career almost overnight. Can you explain what your thinking was when you chose to do that?
Mike Massenzio: There were a few reasons. I had just finished a tournament where I fought several times, and I had a few pretty hampering injuries so I know if I went in the house I would be at a disadvantage. Wow. I didn't know that many people had showed up to try out!
MMAjunkie.com: Injuries or no injuries, when an opportunity comes along like that, can you pass it up?
Mike Massenzio: Well since you ask, looking back I probably would have done it. But it doesn't matter anyway. Now I made it to the UFC. That's where I wanted to be.
MMAjunkie.com: The two of you have an almost identical history -- decorated wrestlers in high school, continued success in college, neither of you had any martial arts training before your decision to pursue MMA as a profession. Do you think this fight comes down to the emphasis in your respective training camps?
Mike Massenzio: We are the spitting image of each other in terms of our previous experience, although I was a year ahead of him. But think that actually works to my advantage. I have a year more experience than him on everything. My camp with Edson Carvalho has more of an emphasis on jiu-jitsu and I know AZCS (Arizona Combat Sports) has a real emphasis on striking. I know it's going to come down to who has the ability to dictate the fight from wherever it ends up.
MMAjunkie.com: Much has been made about that previous history the two of you have. How do you see the fight being different since is an MMA bout and not a wrestling match? And do the striking and submission aspects somehow give you an advantage since your last meeting was a wrestling match?
Mike Massenzio: I believe I'm better than him at every aspect of the game -- striking, jiu -jitsu, and standup. I never thought he was better than me even when he beat me in college, I think that's why I really want to beat him this time. That win in college was a fluke. I've got my chance now to make up for that mistake, and I get to punch him and kick him while I do it.
He's not going to be able to stand the pressure I plan to put on him. We're pretty close in experience, but I've got more heart. When I train, and when I fight, I don't think of it as a win or lose situation. I think of it as live or die, kill or be killed.
MMAjunkie.com: Is it true you never had any amateur MMA bouts before you turned pro?
Mike Massenzio: Never. I got out of college, trained for a while, and went straight to my first pro fight. I've been learning as I go though, and my record shows kind of a trend where I was getting by mostly on my athleticism. But as I got more and more experience in the cage you can see a lot of first-round submission wins. I think it shows my game has steadily improved. You can't be one-sided. I don't care how good you are at one aspect of the game. It took me a while to find myself in the cage and to get comfortable, but I know I'm there now.
MMAjunkie.com: Your UFC debut was not an easy fight on paper. You -- a newcomer -- against a guy with tons of experience like the heavy-handed bruiser, Drew McFedries. You made quick work of him, winning by submission in less than two minutes of the first round. Now you're facing the polar opposite of that in a wrestler who is as versed as you. How do you change up your training to accommodate a guy like Dollaway?
Mike Massenzio: I don't. I train for everyone the same way. I surround myself with the most talented guys to train with as possible. I train hard and always at the same level I fight at. I want to fight the best the UFC has to offer, and to be able to fight the best and beat the best you have to train against the best. I did add a lot of takedown defense and sprawl-and-brawl, and brought in a lot of top-level wrestlers to train with in preparation -- as well as the other aspects of my game. So no matter where the fight ends up, I'm prepared.
MMAjunkie.com: You said your parents were both great athletes growing up. Your dad was all-state in football and baseball and was an accomplished boxer, and your mom was all-state in track. You obviously got your athleticism from them, and you used that ability to get scholarships for wrestling. How do they feel about you pursuing mixed martial arts as a career?
Mike Massenzio: They were supportive. My parents are really great. The one thing they did say was if I was going to do this, don't do it halfway. If you're going to pursue this, you need to commit to it 100 percent. Do it all the way, or don't do it at all. They were like this in anything I competed in. I couldn't quit.
MMAjunkie.com: The smart money would be on this turning into a highly technical wrestling match. Knowing that's what your opponent is expecting, are you planning to try and keep the fight standing up? Or do you want to take him down?
Mike Massenzio: I would love to stand and bang with him, but if it goes to the ground I know my jiu-jitsu is better. He's lost twice to the same person (Amir Sadollah) with the same submission hold. While I know he's probably worked a lot to make sure that doesn't happen again, I still don't think he's ready for what I'm going to present for him with my jiu-jitsu and my standup ability.
MMAjunkie.com: So fast forward to today. It's five years after your wrestling match and the two of you are not only competing against each other again, but on arguably the biggest fight card in the UFC’s history. There are three fights that are arguably worthy of being a main event on their own. What do you think being given an opportunity like this says about you two and your ability as fighters?
Mike Massenzio: It's a big honor to be on the same card with guys like (Antonio Rodrigo) Noguiera and (Quinton) "Rampage" (Jackson). I think it speaks volumes to the opinion the UFC has of C.B. and I. I know the history we have most likely came into play when they made this fight part of the televised card. This is a business, after all. I'm just excited that I get a chance to face a high-level opponent, which is what I came to the UFC to do. And no matter what happens after Saturday, I can say that when the opportunity came along for my shot, I took it. I plan to put on a good show. The only thing else I can say to fans is simple: "Don't blink."