Frank Shamrock - In Depth: ’10 more years’
PDG: Let's start with your arm injury, how is the recovery coming?
Frank: The arm is very good. I had a checkup yesterday and the doctors said that they will most likely remove the plate in about seven more weeks. If everything works out I will be back training again in 10 weeks.
PDG: You will be back to training in just 10 more weeks?
Frank: Yes, according to the experts it should only take a couple of weeks to heal up after the plate is removed. Once the plate is removed and the bones are secure, it is all about the time it takes for the screw holes to fill in.
PDG: So when you say fill in....you mean the bone growing and healing itself?
Frank: Exactly.
PDG: Have you been working on any cardio or anything while you're waiting for the arm to heal?
Frank: Actually, I have not been doing anything training related with the birth of my daughter recently. I have been hanging out at the house with her.
PDG: I was going to get to that; how did everything go with the birth and what did you name her?
Frank: Everything was fantastic and I have had a great time hanging out at home with her. We named her Nicolette Shamrock. She was born on April 24 and everything was perfect.
PDG: Well cool, good to hear everything worked out; let's get to some fighting. Cung Le; what were your thoughts on the fight?
Frank: It was a great fight and I had a really good time. The fight went about as I expected it to until I hurt my arm. He is exactly who I thought he was; he never hurt me with any of his punches. I leaned into one of his kicks, the wrong one, and I felt my arm break.
PDG: At what time in the fight was it that your arm broke?
Frank: My arm broke in the first round. I had already set my strategy for the fight and when that happened it threw my game plan off course. As the fight went on, it really started to become a problem. Especially when the bones started rubbing together and chipping. It was different than the other times that I have hurt myself in fights but I figured I would continue to beat on him as long as the arm would hold up. I've been fighting for a long time and I never really felt like I was in any trouble in that fight until my arm would not hold up any longer.
PDG: So then is a rematch in the works?
Frank: For sure and the result of the first fight was actually a blessing for me. For one I am running out of stars to fight and second, I think I was able to get the best out of Cung in that fight. I think he is a great martial artist but he does not know how to sell a fight. He is not a superstar yet.
PDG: He is quiet and soft spoken during most of his pre-fight interviews; which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Frank: Yes he is quiet and unfortunately in this business, those people don't make a lot of money. So I was really happy....not that I broke my arm, because that's sucked....but that I was able to bring him out of his box a little bit and together we gave the fans and exciting fight.
PDG: Before the fight, some internet rumor mills were speculating that somehow you would lose the first fight. Setting up a rematch, that you would win, leading to a Shamrock vs Le part III. What are your thoughts on that crap?
Frank: It sounds like pro wrestling. The only truth to that is that it is bullshit. While I am a showman and entertainer during my fights, I would never throw a fight or even entertain the possibility of it. That is absolutely ridiculous and so are the people that make that stuff up.
PDG: In two weeks, EliteXC will be showing the first live MMA fights on a major network TV station. What are your thoughts on this groundbreaking event?
Frank: I think it's great and I also think it is about time. I think the sport and everyone involved in it is ready for this. They have the opportunity to really make a big impact for the sport and I think that they are structured right and ready. I don't think that the IFL was ready for network TV.
PDG: What are your thoughts of the card that they have chosen with Kimbo Slice as the main event?
Frank: Yea, that certainly would not have been my first choice. At the same time though, he has gotten a big following and fan base in the sport. He has a kind of “American Idol” factor in his following....he makes people think that they can do it because he did. He went from backyard internet fights to the main event. Most people think that you have to have a big background in mixed martial arts to make it and he shows that is not always the case. In some ways it's good and in some ways it's bad because he is not a skilled martial artist. I have mixed feelings about it but hey, it's not my money.
PDG: There has also been some speculation that this event is a make or break it one for EliteXC.
Frank: I would have to disagree. Of course, as a startup promotion they have burned through a lot of money but as a shareholder in the company and someone who has been around the business for a long time. I think they have the right business model and the right people in the right places to make this successful. They may not have known what they were doing when they first got into mixed martial arts but they certainly do now.
PDG: So like a lot of things lately, rumors of their demise are greatly exaggerated?
Frank: I don't think they are going anywhere, anytime soon. This is definitely a huge opportunity and if they blow it, of course they are going to be in a lot of trouble. CBS and Showtime both own parts of the company and all of the shareholders are invested in the success of the company. So if anybody is situated for success, it is EliteXC. The UFC does not own any networks and does not have any of its own TV channels. CBS and Showtime do. I think the numbers from this first show are going to be really good. The UFC has really been paving the way for other organizations. They have opened the door and I believe that the general public is ready to consume the sport. What it comes down to in the part that I liked the most, is that EliteXC, CBS and Showtime are prepared to tell and show the truth of the sport. They may not have the best fighters in the sport but they will tell the truth behind it. I think that is huge in the success of growing the sport of mixed martial arts. It has to be ran like a professional sport and you can't have champions popping up and then disappearing, fans are going to eventually catch on to the truth. Lately, fans have felt like they have been lied to and misdirected by some of the stories that they have read. That is marketing and not a real sport.
PDG: Is there going to be any more joint promotions this year between EliteXC and Strikeforce?
Frank: There is going to be one more show this year. I'm not sure when that will be but Strikeforce is definitely doing well with their deal with NBC.
PDG: The next Strikeforce event is June 27th; do you have any of your fighters on the card?
Frank: I do, we have fighters that we train and some of our fighters that are under our MMAStars management company. Shonie Carter will be fighting against Luke Stewart, Marlon Sims, who just signed a multi-fight deal will also be fighting. The ‘Spider’ Alex Trevino, who just won our reality show will be fighting on that card as well, it will be his pro debut. Both Shamrock mixed martial arts and MMAStars are doing very well and we have a fighter competing in every major upcoming MMA event.
PDG: All right, who will win the main event on that card; Josh Thomson or Gilbert Melendez?
Frank: I have to pick Melendez because I just don't like Josh very much. The fight will either go to a decision or Josh will get hurt and have two quit. Not that I want him to get hurt but he is kind of fragile.
PDG: One of the other PDG writers; Justin Bolduc, interviewed Josh the other day and he had nothing negative to say about you for once.
Frank: He was probably worried about getting his ass kicked.
PDG: He did say though, he still wants to fight you.
Frank: Well, when I get bulimia and drop down to 105 pounds or wherever he walks around at, then we can think about that fight.
PDG: So the new company, MMAStars is really starting to take shape?
Frank: Yes, we are signing fighters, commentators, photographers, announcers and television personalities. We are definitely expanding the talent base at the company.
PDG: What are you doing with commentators and announcers?
Frank: One of the weaknesses behind the sport has been that most of the people getting involved know nothing about the sport. The UFC....when Dana and the Fertitta Brothers bought the UFC, they knew nothing about mixed martial arts. When the IFL guys got involved, they knew nothing about the sport, same as the Pro-Elite guys. You have a lot of people rushing to the exciting sport of mixed martial arts that don't have a lot of knowledge about it. A lot of the failures in the industry are not from a lack of money but from a lack of knowledge. The goal of MMAStars is to create a package deal for promoters that will deliver fighters, announcers, ring talent, commentators and television personalities to ensure a professional performance for the event.
PDG: So you have really expanded the company from when we first talked about it last year.
Frank: Definitely, we have gone beyond just the fighters because we were running into problems where promotions were getting great fighters but the rest of the promotion was being run by a fan of the sport they didn't have the other pieces in place. The fighters are the ones that were suffering from this as they were not getting the longitivity that they should have from the training that they had put in. We have expanded the company in an effort to give fighters the best chance for success no matter what organization they are fighting for. I look at the sport as a long-term venture and the more organizations that are successful the better, for the fans, for the fighters and that is something that we are trying to accomplish with the new company. It may take us a couple years to build up announcers, commentators and the other talent to a professional level but when they are done it will be a lifetime opportunity.
PDG: Ok, then who do you see as the fighters of the near future (3-5 yrs) that will help carry this sport going forward?
Frank: I think that there is going to be two levels of fighters. One is going to be the A-Level fighters from the UFC & EliteXC, the elite pay-per-view fighters. Then you are going to have the B-Level fighters that have enough talent to make it on TV. Going back to the Kimbo story, it's kind of like that. You are going to have guys that are fighting on CBS and NBC, they're going to catch on with the fan base and be successful but are they pay-per-view material. The average fighter that is exciting is going to have a good career but the hard-core super bad-ass fighters that appear unbeatable and always show up to fight are going to be on top.
PDG: Who do you see that fits the latter....the hard-core, unbeatable fighter?
Frank: The problem is that eventually everyone is beatable, there is just too much talent out there. I am really excited about our young guy Trevino, I don't know if he will ever lose but he fights like I do. It's all or nothing and if somebody's going to die....it's not going to be him. People are drawn to that type of fighter mentality because most people would have given up a long time ago and looked for some other job.
PDG: I would have to agree, even the people that don't like you as a person still watch your fights to see what is going to happen.
Frank: People know that I am coming to fight and that it is going to be balls to the wall. It's going to be entertaining one way or the other and you don't have to be a fan of mine to appreciate it. It is what it is.
PDG: Is the late-night Strikeforce show on NBC something that will be on live prime time TV eventually?
Frank: I think so....NBC really wants to get their foot in the door of the sport but they are just being cautious right now. Strikeforce wants to expand its brand but in a cost-effective way and so I think the relationship with NBC is a way to do that helps both companies. I think that NBC is going to sit back and let CBS take the risk and if it works out I don't see why NBC wouldn't follow the path. Strikeforce is now uniquely situated to take advantage of a great opportunity.
PDG: So then what is your take on the UFC standing by while other organizations are signing deals on network TV?
Frank: I don't think they are doing it because of a lack of desire to be on network TV. They are a very closely held company that does business in their own unique and special way. A lot of people have been exposed to it and a lot of people don't like it. They also do not want to lose control of their little monopoly and when you move into a network deal, they want to promote things correctly, usually. It is almost like a dictatorship trying to join a democracy. That is what happened to the HBO and UFC talks, someone did not want to give up the reins of control. The larger networks like CBS and NBC are much more interested in showing the sport for what it is not what the UFC says it should be.
PDG: What about your future; are you still planning on fighting for three more years?
Frank: No, I have 10 more years of fighting left in me. I am going to fight for 10 more years.
PDG: That will put you somewhere in your middle 40s.
Frank: I will be 45 when I stop fighting. I think the young stars are going to take over the sport.
PDG: So you are talking about something like super fights....kind of like K-1 does?
Frank: The older more experienced fighters are dying off. There are only a couple of fights out there that still makes sense for me to take, like Tito Ortiz, Ken Shamrock and of course a rematch Cung Le. Fights like those are getting fewer and fewer and 10 years from now there will be none. There will be a younger generation of talented fighters with TV exposure, but they won't have the same learning curve as the older fighters. As I get older and my body starts to fall apart, I will end up fighting lesser skilled fighters that will make for an up and comer verses a legend fight. Not to say that these fighters won't be legends in their own right but it will be more like passing the torch. We have already seen with fighters coming from the Ultimate Fighter, going from zero to being in the UFC in six months. Most of those fighters are not super skilled but eventually they will come calling and the elder statesman of MMA will either prove that the up and coming fighter is a star or they will kick their ass. Either way it is all good for the sport and I will do what I have to do.
PDG: Once again, you mentioned fighting your brother Ken; he hasn't had a lot of success lately, is that still a fight that you want to pursue?
Frank: It is definitely on my radar, I see a lot of value in Shamrock versus Shamrock. It is a fight that all fans will get-- emotionally. Nobody has had more marketing and time in the sport than Ken has, he is an original superstar in the UFC and mixed martial arts. I could try to promote that fight for a year with all kinds of talk but when you say brother versus brother. What else do you need to say?
PDG: I hate to say it but even though I will watch the fight, I do not think it will be a close one.
Frank: A lot of fans will have mixed thoughts, I think I will smash Ken. I thought I was going to smash Cung....[laughs]. By the time the fight happens people are not going to be concerned about the competitiveness of the fight but more so about what happens in the cage.
PDG: Ok, Tito Ortiz; he has one fight left on his UFC contract, have you guys talked about a fight?
Frank: We have had some talks and I definitely think there is going to be a fight between the two of us. He is going to be a free agent and this is something that I have wanted for quite a while. He still wants to fight just not for the UFC, I think the two of us in the free-agent market are going to be able to draw a big event. Great history, great storyline, Tito is a star and will be going his own way and hey, I am an old guy that is still fighting for some reason.
PDG: Thanks again for your time, anything else you'd like to add?
Frank: Super dad....and thanks to all my fans for all the support.
PDG: Let's start with your arm injury, how is the recovery coming?
Frank: The arm is very good. I had a checkup yesterday and the doctors said that they will most likely remove the plate in about seven more weeks. If everything works out I will be back training again in 10 weeks.
PDG: You will be back to training in just 10 more weeks?
Frank: Yes, according to the experts it should only take a couple of weeks to heal up after the plate is removed. Once the plate is removed and the bones are secure, it is all about the time it takes for the screw holes to fill in.
PDG: So when you say fill in....you mean the bone growing and healing itself?
Frank: Exactly.
PDG: Have you been working on any cardio or anything while you're waiting for the arm to heal?
Frank: Actually, I have not been doing anything training related with the birth of my daughter recently. I have been hanging out at the house with her.
PDG: I was going to get to that; how did everything go with the birth and what did you name her?
Frank: Everything was fantastic and I have had a great time hanging out at home with her. We named her Nicolette Shamrock. She was born on April 24 and everything was perfect.
PDG: Well cool, good to hear everything worked out; let's get to some fighting. Cung Le; what were your thoughts on the fight?
Frank: It was a great fight and I had a really good time. The fight went about as I expected it to until I hurt my arm. He is exactly who I thought he was; he never hurt me with any of his punches. I leaned into one of his kicks, the wrong one, and I felt my arm break.
PDG: At what time in the fight was it that your arm broke?
Frank: My arm broke in the first round. I had already set my strategy for the fight and when that happened it threw my game plan off course. As the fight went on, it really started to become a problem. Especially when the bones started rubbing together and chipping. It was different than the other times that I have hurt myself in fights but I figured I would continue to beat on him as long as the arm would hold up. I've been fighting for a long time and I never really felt like I was in any trouble in that fight until my arm would not hold up any longer.
PDG: So then is a rematch in the works?
Frank: For sure and the result of the first fight was actually a blessing for me. For one I am running out of stars to fight and second, I think I was able to get the best out of Cung in that fight. I think he is a great martial artist but he does not know how to sell a fight. He is not a superstar yet.
PDG: He is quiet and soft spoken during most of his pre-fight interviews; which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Frank: Yes he is quiet and unfortunately in this business, those people don't make a lot of money. So I was really happy....not that I broke my arm, because that's sucked....but that I was able to bring him out of his box a little bit and together we gave the fans and exciting fight.
PDG: Before the fight, some internet rumor mills were speculating that somehow you would lose the first fight. Setting up a rematch, that you would win, leading to a Shamrock vs Le part III. What are your thoughts on that crap?
Frank: It sounds like pro wrestling. The only truth to that is that it is bullshit. While I am a showman and entertainer during my fights, I would never throw a fight or even entertain the possibility of it. That is absolutely ridiculous and so are the people that make that stuff up.
PDG: In two weeks, EliteXC will be showing the first live MMA fights on a major network TV station. What are your thoughts on this groundbreaking event?
Frank: I think it's great and I also think it is about time. I think the sport and everyone involved in it is ready for this. They have the opportunity to really make a big impact for the sport and I think that they are structured right and ready. I don't think that the IFL was ready for network TV.
PDG: What are your thoughts of the card that they have chosen with Kimbo Slice as the main event?
Frank: Yea, that certainly would not have been my first choice. At the same time though, he has gotten a big following and fan base in the sport. He has a kind of “American Idol” factor in his following....he makes people think that they can do it because he did. He went from backyard internet fights to the main event. Most people think that you have to have a big background in mixed martial arts to make it and he shows that is not always the case. In some ways it's good and in some ways it's bad because he is not a skilled martial artist. I have mixed feelings about it but hey, it's not my money.
PDG: There has also been some speculation that this event is a make or break it one for EliteXC.
Frank: I would have to disagree. Of course, as a startup promotion they have burned through a lot of money but as a shareholder in the company and someone who has been around the business for a long time. I think they have the right business model and the right people in the right places to make this successful. They may not have known what they were doing when they first got into mixed martial arts but they certainly do now.
PDG: So like a lot of things lately, rumors of their demise are greatly exaggerated?
Frank: I don't think they are going anywhere, anytime soon. This is definitely a huge opportunity and if they blow it, of course they are going to be in a lot of trouble. CBS and Showtime both own parts of the company and all of the shareholders are invested in the success of the company. So if anybody is situated for success, it is EliteXC. The UFC does not own any networks and does not have any of its own TV channels. CBS and Showtime do. I think the numbers from this first show are going to be really good. The UFC has really been paving the way for other organizations. They have opened the door and I believe that the general public is ready to consume the sport. What it comes down to in the part that I liked the most, is that EliteXC, CBS and Showtime are prepared to tell and show the truth of the sport. They may not have the best fighters in the sport but they will tell the truth behind it. I think that is huge in the success of growing the sport of mixed martial arts. It has to be ran like a professional sport and you can't have champions popping up and then disappearing, fans are going to eventually catch on to the truth. Lately, fans have felt like they have been lied to and misdirected by some of the stories that they have read. That is marketing and not a real sport.
PDG: Is there going to be any more joint promotions this year between EliteXC and Strikeforce?
Frank: There is going to be one more show this year. I'm not sure when that will be but Strikeforce is definitely doing well with their deal with NBC.
PDG: The next Strikeforce event is June 27th; do you have any of your fighters on the card?
Frank: I do, we have fighters that we train and some of our fighters that are under our MMAStars management company. Shonie Carter will be fighting against Luke Stewart, Marlon Sims, who just signed a multi-fight deal will also be fighting. The ‘Spider’ Alex Trevino, who just won our reality show will be fighting on that card as well, it will be his pro debut. Both Shamrock mixed martial arts and MMAStars are doing very well and we have a fighter competing in every major upcoming MMA event.
PDG: All right, who will win the main event on that card; Josh Thomson or Gilbert Melendez?
Frank: I have to pick Melendez because I just don't like Josh very much. The fight will either go to a decision or Josh will get hurt and have two quit. Not that I want him to get hurt but he is kind of fragile.
PDG: One of the other PDG writers; Justin Bolduc, interviewed Josh the other day and he had nothing negative to say about you for once.
Frank: He was probably worried about getting his ass kicked.
PDG: He did say though, he still wants to fight you.
Frank: Well, when I get bulimia and drop down to 105 pounds or wherever he walks around at, then we can think about that fight.
PDG: So the new company, MMAStars is really starting to take shape?
Frank: Yes, we are signing fighters, commentators, photographers, announcers and television personalities. We are definitely expanding the talent base at the company.
PDG: What are you doing with commentators and announcers?
Frank: One of the weaknesses behind the sport has been that most of the people getting involved know nothing about the sport. The UFC....when Dana and the Fertitta Brothers bought the UFC, they knew nothing about mixed martial arts. When the IFL guys got involved, they knew nothing about the sport, same as the Pro-Elite guys. You have a lot of people rushing to the exciting sport of mixed martial arts that don't have a lot of knowledge about it. A lot of the failures in the industry are not from a lack of money but from a lack of knowledge. The goal of MMAStars is to create a package deal for promoters that will deliver fighters, announcers, ring talent, commentators and television personalities to ensure a professional performance for the event.
PDG: So you have really expanded the company from when we first talked about it last year.
Frank: Definitely, we have gone beyond just the fighters because we were running into problems where promotions were getting great fighters but the rest of the promotion was being run by a fan of the sport they didn't have the other pieces in place. The fighters are the ones that were suffering from this as they were not getting the longitivity that they should have from the training that they had put in. We have expanded the company in an effort to give fighters the best chance for success no matter what organization they are fighting for. I look at the sport as a long-term venture and the more organizations that are successful the better, for the fans, for the fighters and that is something that we are trying to accomplish with the new company. It may take us a couple years to build up announcers, commentators and the other talent to a professional level but when they are done it will be a lifetime opportunity.
PDG: Ok, then who do you see as the fighters of the near future (3-5 yrs) that will help carry this sport going forward?
Frank: I think that there is going to be two levels of fighters. One is going to be the A-Level fighters from the UFC & EliteXC, the elite pay-per-view fighters. Then you are going to have the B-Level fighters that have enough talent to make it on TV. Going back to the Kimbo story, it's kind of like that. You are going to have guys that are fighting on CBS and NBC, they're going to catch on with the fan base and be successful but are they pay-per-view material. The average fighter that is exciting is going to have a good career but the hard-core super bad-ass fighters that appear unbeatable and always show up to fight are going to be on top.
PDG: Who do you see that fits the latter....the hard-core, unbeatable fighter?
Frank: The problem is that eventually everyone is beatable, there is just too much talent out there. I am really excited about our young guy Trevino, I don't know if he will ever lose but he fights like I do. It's all or nothing and if somebody's going to die....it's not going to be him. People are drawn to that type of fighter mentality because most people would have given up a long time ago and looked for some other job.
PDG: I would have to agree, even the people that don't like you as a person still watch your fights to see what is going to happen.
Frank: People know that I am coming to fight and that it is going to be balls to the wall. It's going to be entertaining one way or the other and you don't have to be a fan of mine to appreciate it. It is what it is.
PDG: Is the late-night Strikeforce show on NBC something that will be on live prime time TV eventually?
Frank: I think so....NBC really wants to get their foot in the door of the sport but they are just being cautious right now. Strikeforce wants to expand its brand but in a cost-effective way and so I think the relationship with NBC is a way to do that helps both companies. I think that NBC is going to sit back and let CBS take the risk and if it works out I don't see why NBC wouldn't follow the path. Strikeforce is now uniquely situated to take advantage of a great opportunity.
PDG: So then what is your take on the UFC standing by while other organizations are signing deals on network TV?
Frank: I don't think they are doing it because of a lack of desire to be on network TV. They are a very closely held company that does business in their own unique and special way. A lot of people have been exposed to it and a lot of people don't like it. They also do not want to lose control of their little monopoly and when you move into a network deal, they want to promote things correctly, usually. It is almost like a dictatorship trying to join a democracy. That is what happened to the HBO and UFC talks, someone did not want to give up the reins of control. The larger networks like CBS and NBC are much more interested in showing the sport for what it is not what the UFC says it should be.
PDG: What about your future; are you still planning on fighting for three more years?
Frank: No, I have 10 more years of fighting left in me. I am going to fight for 10 more years.
PDG: That will put you somewhere in your middle 40s.
Frank: I will be 45 when I stop fighting. I think the young stars are going to take over the sport.
PDG: So you are talking about something like super fights....kind of like K-1 does?
Frank: The older more experienced fighters are dying off. There are only a couple of fights out there that still makes sense for me to take, like Tito Ortiz, Ken Shamrock and of course a rematch Cung Le. Fights like those are getting fewer and fewer and 10 years from now there will be none. There will be a younger generation of talented fighters with TV exposure, but they won't have the same learning curve as the older fighters. As I get older and my body starts to fall apart, I will end up fighting lesser skilled fighters that will make for an up and comer verses a legend fight. Not to say that these fighters won't be legends in their own right but it will be more like passing the torch. We have already seen with fighters coming from the Ultimate Fighter, going from zero to being in the UFC in six months. Most of those fighters are not super skilled but eventually they will come calling and the elder statesman of MMA will either prove that the up and coming fighter is a star or they will kick their ass. Either way it is all good for the sport and I will do what I have to do.
PDG: Once again, you mentioned fighting your brother Ken; he hasn't had a lot of success lately, is that still a fight that you want to pursue?
Frank: It is definitely on my radar, I see a lot of value in Shamrock versus Shamrock. It is a fight that all fans will get-- emotionally. Nobody has had more marketing and time in the sport than Ken has, he is an original superstar in the UFC and mixed martial arts. I could try to promote that fight for a year with all kinds of talk but when you say brother versus brother. What else do you need to say?
PDG: I hate to say it but even though I will watch the fight, I do not think it will be a close one.
Frank: A lot of fans will have mixed thoughts, I think I will smash Ken. I thought I was going to smash Cung....[laughs]. By the time the fight happens people are not going to be concerned about the competitiveness of the fight but more so about what happens in the cage.
PDG: Ok, Tito Ortiz; he has one fight left on his UFC contract, have you guys talked about a fight?
Frank: We have had some talks and I definitely think there is going to be a fight between the two of us. He is going to be a free agent and this is something that I have wanted for quite a while. He still wants to fight just not for the UFC, I think the two of us in the free-agent market are going to be able to draw a big event. Great history, great storyline, Tito is a star and will be going his own way and hey, I am an old guy that is still fighting for some reason.
PDG: Thanks again for your time, anything else you'd like to add?
Frank: Super dad....and thanks to all my fans for all the support.
