MEXICO LEGALIZES DRUGS..SO SHOULD WE?

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I'd like to add, if all drugs were legalized, the government would have control of it, where it was sold, how much you could buy, how much it costs, the potency, etc etc etc. I'm not willing to put that responsibility in the hands of our current gov't whether Bush is President or not...

But like you ended with Heresy, shops will be set up, and I will make the assumption that those places would be set up in areas with higher african and mexican populations versus those with higher caucasian populations. That has to do with culture though, or a lot of it. Most middle-aged white people (in my opinion) tend to demonize drugs because of religious views. So those places would be petitioned if they were set up in white neighborhoods...And as much as I hate to say this, if they were set up in neighborhoods with more minorities that probably wouldn't happen. I'm not saying ALL of any group does the same thing, but in the hip-hop/rap culture, most of the time it's okay to smoke weed, drink, do coke, pop ecstacy, etc etc etc....It's called setting yourself up for failure. Glamorizing drugs is fucking stupid, but teaching people how to be responsible is not. That's the only way thing would work, is if people were educated on the FACTS about drugs, not based on religion or anything else...and that will NEVER happen in our country.
 

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I'd say probably a very small amount of them. But what "drugs" are you talking about? Do you consider marijuana the same type of "drug" as cocaine? And I would think that they wouldn't commit a lot of drug-related crimes over there.
No, I do not consider marijuana to be the same type of drug as cocaine. Also, the crimes commited by the addicts have been on a rise.

They should learn to save.
They should learn to save? How can they save when they have poor spending habits and no one is TEACHING them HOW to save? Do you realize that the problems with addiction are not just physical but MENTAL? Do you realize the problems within the black community are NOT just physical but MENTAL? You can't simply say "learn how to save" or expect them to save when they are RENTERS, HAVE NO BANK ACCOUNTS (or limited knowledge of banking), and don't realize the empowerment that comes with OWNERSHIP. How can you expect them to save when you have more options and opportunities to waste your money?

While I understand it would make drugs easier to get, if those people don't want to use drugs, they aren't going to.
Do you realize that when people are allowed to do something they do it? A girl can have never drank alcohol in her life and at 21 she might drink too much and end up getting raped. People WILL do them if they are legal. People WILL do them if companies who are selling drugs MARKET and PROMOTE to a specific demographic who is known to spend money on drugs.

They're gonna spend their money on something else if it's not drugs, like Wal-Mart.
Which has a long term affect on your body and mind? Spending your money at wal-mart or spending your money on crack?

People will do what they want regardless of the law, so they're wasting their money on drugs now, there's no difference if drugs are legal and they still waste their money on it.
No, you are mistaken. Not all people WILL do what they want regardless of the law. Also, as I have previously mentioned before, laws and punishment act as a detterent to illegal activity.You are saying their is no difference if they waste it now or later. Do you realize the number of people wasting money on drugs will GROW because if it is legalized. Its a SIMPLE case of supply and demand or "You build it, they will come." If you were to lower the legal drinking age from 21 to 18 what would you have? More teen age drinkers, higher insurance premiums, more accidents cause by teen drunk driving etc. Now think about drugs.....

I think I get where you're coming from, and I hate to be the "too bad for them" type of person, but SAVING money is important, and I'm sure that people in poverty or those that don't have a lot of money know this. I can't control if they spend their money on shit...But I would like to have a say in how things effect me and a lot of others that can be responsible....It's not the gov't's job to make sure people are responsible human beings, that's the individuals job.
How can they save when they are bombarded with so many vices? How can they save when they do not KNOW how to save? Also, I disagree with your statement that it is not the governments job. Why do I disagree with this? Because, we are supposed to give the government the power to make laws that DO make us responsible human beings. Why do you think laws are in place? Why do you think bills are passed?

In this country? I think if ALL drugs were legalized we would have a serious problem with people gettin high versus going to work and doing their daily shit...However, I don't see that as a real problem because that would just further destroy the bullshit system which is in place.
And, what system would take the place of the current status quo? What you are saying is to let drugs run rampant, cause peopel to stop doing their daily activities and this will destroy the current system....Do you HONESTLY believe this?

I'd rather have everyone be high than have everyone follow what the gov't and society tells them to do, as long as while people are high they aren't "going dumb" and "getting stupid" cause you know people act lik retards sometimes.
You would prefer a nation of junkies over a nation of sheep. Six in one hand, half a dozen in the other. How are you going to restrict the people from going dumb or getting stupid? How would you enforce these restrictions?

My overall stance is, legalize drugs for ME. I know what I can handle. I know what my boundaries are. Most people don't and even those that do most of the time don' stop. Until people learn some responsibility I don't think shit will be made legal...But I'm not an expert on the subject, so I really don't "know" what would happen. This is all speculation.
The problem is legalizing as a whole places so many people at risk and how does one enforce it?

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here are the responses to the other post:

I don't think ALL drugs should be legal. Although I have said that before, I said it in haste. This country has a serious problem with stimulant drugs in general, the worst being Caffiene, and how do you feel about that as the leading addiction in this country? I've been told that is the #1 addiction, I haven't researched it though.
I believe caffiene (and tobbacco) should be limited as well. However some foods have caffiene in them and removing them might cause more harm than good. If the addictions caused by caffiene are contributing to major health issues or loss of $$$$ I say a change should be made or at least more studies should be done.

You dont' have to say they do. What I meant was, while under the influence of marijuana and/or opiates you are more sedated and "happy feeling" so you (the person who took it) are less likely to be aggressive in nature.
Again, I would say people who are impaired by them are less likely to commit an aggressive/violent crime while they are on them. BUT, When they come down from the high it is back to square 1. Do these drugs have any long term effects or advantages when it comes to reducing aggressive behavior?

I do agree with you on that, it's not violent or aggressive. But the DRUG did not make him go and drive.
No, but the drug, which is illegal, DID impair his ABILITY to drive.

That was his stupid ass decision.
A decision that was made while he was on drugs.

Now if he hadn't done the heroin in the first place his kid wouldn't have swallowed it, again that's HIS choice.
Because he is addicted and taking illegal drugs. Now imagine what would happen if it were legal and more cases like this happened?

The drug didn't make him buy more drugs
If you are addicted to something what does it cause you to do?

the kid didn't make him do it, nor his wife.
No one implied these were factors for drug use.

I realize individuals have problems and if it gets to that state I think people do need help and rehab, but my main focus was really marijuana...Which I don't consider a drug, or at least not the class of drug like any other.
I don't consider weed to be a manufactured drug like yay, but it is a "natural" drug that has mentally and physically altering effects.

I agree with you. I tend to believe this country is part of the problem, ie: Freeway Ricky.
I've mentioned Freeway Rick many times on this site, but I actually believe it went over the heads of the people. It was a bit too much for them to swallow at the time. With that being said, if the government would introduce drugs to the community on such a large (and illegal) scale, imagine what would happen if drugs were legal.

I agree with you, but not ALL drugs are the same.
I never implied they were and proof of my knowledge that all drugs are not the same is my acknowledgement of the differences between opiates and coke.

My problem is when people try to label every drug as the same. If people are gonna put marijuana into the same category as cocaine, than you might as well throw in alcohol and tabacco.
Not all drugs have the same effects and I believe I have given you my definition of what drugs are. Also, you CAN throw alcohol and tobacco in the mix. However when it comes to addiction are these drugs more ADDICTIVE than crack or meth? If so they need to be regulated even more.

I agree with you again on the meth problem. I have a lof of friends back home that didn't do shit after high school, except get into meth. They were gettin their "little homies" to do it with them and they were like 15...I was the only person to ever get on their case about it though.
On the real, the majority of people I grew up with are junkies, dead or in jail. The little homies in my neighborhood are thizzed out, snort coke, and use visine bottles to drop heroin through their eyes/eyelids. It is very sad indeed, young people have nothing to look forward to now days. People used to look forward to after school activities, sports etc. Now that these programs are becoming rare what do the kids have to turn to?

And that is not the sole reason for the education system being shitty.
No one said it was. I am simply showing you an example of how drugs do effect what YOU feel is a greater priority. Again, refer to the original statement "and do you want some reasons why it has gone to shit?", and pay attention to the bold lettering in it.

mean, it could be the fact that by the time you're in 2nd grade they have you mapped out with how they want to teach you, and how far in life you will go based on a nice little test they give you when you're 8 years old.
Again, this is not what I am arguing. You are saying school/education is more important and I am showing you how drugs have helped to CRIPPLE the education system. Also, by the time you are in 2nd grade they could have it mapped out for you, however do you believe the crack babies who are in the second grade will be ale to past the nice little tests they are given?

Schools are in place to create workers for the technology and service age of today, that's my opinion.
That is one reason (of many) why the curriculum in AMERICAN schools have changed over the years. However, I am focusing on the impact of drugs and school and not so much as what schools are created for.

As far as the crack babies and that whole situation, I really don't know. There are special programs for teaching
Yes, there are special programs for teaching, but you must understand something. When crack became an epidemic and the first generation of crack babies were born these programs were NOT in place. You had class rooms growing in size, and you had teachers leaving because they couldn't deal with the students. Some of them didn't want to and some of them didn't KNOW how.

and some of them actually don't have that bad of a need for a "fix" and can actually learn.
I am not saying they cannot learn. Even people with learning disabilites can learn, however they have to find the correct method to learning. When you have special needs and your in a class of 30+ students how are you going to learn? Now, lets say you can get the help you need, but it is going to cost some money. How are you going to get the learning you need if you live in a single parent home and your mother is a crack head on the verge of being cut from government aid? Get a job? Ok, how are you going to get a job when you can barely work (because you are on blow) and you spend your money on it? So, lets say the services are free, again how are you going to get them if you have no knowledge of them?

But since my knowledge on this topic is limited, that's all I can say.
My sister is a teacher (an English Major, Alpha Kappa Alpha woman of the year, etc) and I would often do volunteer work for her. I'm speaking from what I have saw first hand or from what I have read in a couple of her books, but by no means am I an expert.


EDIT: Also, I know this is a long post (it is two posts combined), but a lot of my points are simply food for thought. if you want to address them cool, if not no problem.
 

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the reason i made this thread..because there was a thread in the open fourm, and a lot of cats were sayin the US should follow suit...
personally if the US did legalize drugs in the same manner as Mexico, it would be chaos..people would take advantge of the system, and it would take 10 years or more to let everything take its course, as far a passing laws to control it, and hey what about dem taxes....
I would wager the majority of those in favor of drugs (in the open forum) are either users themselves OR white people who have not saw the ill effects of drugs in their communities and homes.
 
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I would wager the majority of those in favor of drugs (in the open forum) are either users themselves OR white people who have not saw the ill effects of drugs in their communities and homes.
I was thinking the same thing.Its funny cause I sit back and watch my friends smoke weed all day(and I mean all day)..I always ask them why they smoke,and each one said it aint addictive,its relaxing etc...shit I did my fair share of drugs including weed...but they are in such denial,cause there #1 priority everyday is weed,Ive seen the ones who neglected personal responsibilities...like getting groceries..taking care of business,and lie about it so they can get there weed.Ive seen of course the crack addicts pickin up crumbs off the floor and smoking it thinking it was crack they dropped.I know there are some people who claim to have it under control,and say they just do it on weekends...at least it starts that way.I beleive there probably are some out there who can keep it under control,but that far few in between.Drugs are vicious and legalizing any drug can only make things worse in this country...Even alcohol is a big problem..I drink,but if they made it illegal or put in some measure to control it more I would understand.
 
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I think it would be coo' to legalize drugs in Cali....
But alot of shit would go down and crimes would go up, probably.
Iono, i think they should be legalized though.
 
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I think it would be coo' to legalize drugs in Cali....
But alot of shit would go down and crimes would go up, probably.
Iono, i think they should be legalized though.
your staement pretty much sums up our discussion and why it shouldnt be legalized..especially when you said...Iono
 
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To think that the U.S. would follow any example of Mexico is idiotic.

I don't understand why anyone would want all drugs to be legal anywhere. All drugs do is cause problems. Might I add that pharmaceutical companies and doctors are the biggest drug dealers.
 

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HERESY,

YOU STRESSED, "So, you are saying to win a battle but not win the war....."

NOT NECESSARILY. WHAT I AM SAYIN' IS THAT WE ALL FUCCED AND SHOULD gET AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "The biased and racist laws can actually work to your benefit IF you know how to manipulate and pimp the system."

HOW SO? IF I HAVE A RECORD AND THEY HAVE ME BY THE BALLS, HOW CAN THESE SAME BIAS LAWS BE TO MY ADVANTAgE? HOW CAN I PIMP THEM WHEN THEY PIMPIN' ME?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Aso when these biased and racist laws are removed you WILL have more access to drugs in the black and mexican communities."

AND OTHA COMMUNITIES FOR THAT MATTER. BUT I'M NOT TALKIN' BOUT JUST STRAIgHT OUT EVERYTHANg IS LEgAL. JUST MODIFY THE LAWS WHERE THEY AIN'T HURTIN' US FOR SIMPLE MISTAKES WE MAKE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PEEPED AFRICAS THREAD WHERE HE BROUgHT OUT THE FIgURES ABOUT CRAK CONVICTIONS VERSES POWDERED COCAINE AND THE TIME THAT gOES WITH EACH. BUT IT WAS VERY INTERESTIN'. ALL I'M SAYIN' IS TO LIFT LAWS THAT SPECIFICALLY HURT US AND PUT AN AMOUNT THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO BE CONSIDERED LEgAL. I WOULDN'T WANT ALL DRUgS LEgALIZED. JUST CHRONIC AND HAVE SOME LAWS BE RETRO FOR THE ONES THAT'S BEEN CONVICTED OF NON-VIOLENT CRIMES.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "You WILL have more blacks and mexicans becoming addicted to them."

THAT'S "IF" THEY'RE AVAILABLE AND "IF" PEOPLE CHOOSE TO gO THAT ROUTE WITH IT. BUT I SUgKEST LEgALIZIN' WEED IF NE-THANg.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Look at the legalization of alcohol and how it has affected the black community. You see liquor stores (the majority of them owned by NON-BLACKS) in black neighborhoods. Are these neighborhoods well maintained? What are the crime levels like in these places?"

I UNDA-STAND YOUR POINT, BUT WEED ISN'T ALCOHOL AND DOESN'T MAKE YOU ACT LIKE THAT. IF N-E-THANg, OUTLAW LIQCOUR AND LEgALIZE WEED. I DON'T CARE FOR CANE. THEY JUST NEED TO BE MORE LENIENT WITH SOME OF THEM LAWS.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I do NOT believe you when you claim you are aware of the studies."

LOL. YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION. BUT BELIEVE ME THAT I AM IN THE MIDDLE OF SHIT AND JUST AIN'T gOIN' OFF OF STUDIES. I READ A FEW STUDIES HOW DRUgS TIE INTO CRIME AND IT IS OBVIOUS THAT ALCOHOL AND COCAINE AND N-E-OTHA DRUg THAT MAKES YOU VIOLENT OR BRINgS OUT THE BEAST WAS A CATALYST IN THE SHIT. I AgREE WITH YOU AND THE STUDIES. BUT WHERE THAT LEAVE WEED?


THEN YOU STRESSED, "Legalizing what is already out there DOES have EVERYTHINHG to do with what people do when they are already high. The numbers WILL go up if the drugs are legalized."

THAT'S ALL SPECULATION. YOU ASSUMIN' THAT IF THEY LEgALIZED "ALL" THE WAY WITH NO HOLDS BARED, NO REPERCUSSIONS, ALL ACCESS, THEN YES. IF SHIT WAS TO BE LEgALIZE, IT WOULD BE CONTROLLED. ALL IT WOULD AFFECT IS WHO gETS ARRESTED AND THE MANIPULATION OF THOSE LAWS.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "When alcohol was legalized did its numbers go down?"

HELL NAW. IT JUST MADE A FEW PEOPLE RICH, AND MORE AND MORE TYPES OF LICQOUR.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Do you have more cases of alcohol related deaths and fetal alcohol syndrome now that it is legal?"

OF COURSE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "If you were aware of the studies you would understand what I and sixxness have typed. "

THAT'S NO BIg SECRET. BUT YOU CAN'T gROUP "ALL" CAUSE ALL DRUgS DON'T HAVE THE SAME EFFECT.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Again, if you had ANY idea of the stats you would know this is not paranoia and has been DOCUMENTED."

BUT, NOT ALL DRUgS AFFECT ALL PEOPLE THE SAME. I AIN'T FOR LEgALIZIN' ALL THE VIOLENT MAKIN' DRUgS. LET'S gET THAT STRAIgHT. I'M FOR AMMENDIN' A FEW LAWS THAT AFFECT OUR COMMUNITIES. IF I COULD, I WOULD MAKE LICQOUR ILLEgAL. JUST CAUSE I HATE DRUNK MUTHA-FUKAS AND THE FAKENESS THAT COMES WITH IT.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Is this question serious? How will people have more access than they already do? Well for starters the penalties/sentences for breaking the laws act as DETERRENTS. If you have less people selling drugs because they are afraid to catch a case that means less access. The laws themselves limit the access, and I have no idea why you don't understand this. When these laws are removed more dealers will be able to deal, and more sources for drugs (like liquor stores or over the counter shops) will be open to the people. Now, where are these places likely to be set up? In black neighborhoods or white neighborhoods?"

YES, I'M SERIOUS. ALL YOU'LL SEE IS LESS PEOPLE gETTIN' ARRESTED FOR PETTY SHIT. CAUSE LEgAL OR ILLEgAL IT'S STILL gONNA gO DOWN. THESE LAWS AIN'T STOPPED SHIT.
 
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The idea of legalizing drugs in the US is insane. We are a culture of overconsumption, self-indulgement and violence. The last thing we need to do is flood are streets with more bullshit then the streets have now.

Say we do "legalize" drugs? Who enforces the weights and measures for the drugs? Who manufactures the drugs? Who gauruntees private citizens dont manufacture their own drugs? How much will it cost to stop citizens from making their own drugs, and selling them on the streets? How much will it cost law enforcement to deal with the increase of violent crimes that comes with crack, cocaine, heroin and other drugs? Are safety nets in place adaquate to rehabiliate those who become addicted, and if not how much will that cost? What about driving under the influence? Do we need more intoxicated drivers crashing into families of four and school buses? What type tools do we have to detect if drivers are high on certain drugs which may have no large affect on physical appearence? Are blood tests accurate enough to determine what someone did an hour before they are pulled over, or do they detect drugs from 4-5 days ago and return a guilty verdict? What are the possible benefits from legalizing drugs? Will Americans suddenly decide to behave themselves and act responsibly with cocaine if they cant with alcohol? If the prison population decreases, will the policy really be effective enough to catch those let out from drug charges who are really doin dirt? What are the consequences for children? Will the drugs be as easily accessible as alcohol? What do we do with children with drug-addicted parents? Is our foster care system adaquate enough as is or with more underprivlidged children?

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NOT NECESSARILY. WHAT I AM SAYIN' IS THAT WE ALL FUCCED AND SHOULD gET AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
If you are fucked how can you get as much as you can? You are saying to be content with scraps. I am not content with eating crubs from masters table. Thats not the way I roll bro, and it shouldn't be the way you rolll either.

HOW SO? IF I HAVE A RECORD AND THEY HAVE ME BY THE BALLS, HOW CAN THESE SAME BIAS LAWS BE TO MY ADVANTAgE? HOW CAN I PIMP THEM WHEN THEY PIMPIN' ME?
Listen, today I chopped up with homies dad, and his pops (like my pops) has put in work. We were all in the back yard choppin it up about different things and one of the homies made a comment about the O.G.'s Vette (its like a 2003 or whatever.) He laced his boots and told him you can have ANYTHING you want. It is already layed out for you, and all you have to do is get it. If you can't get it chalk it up as a loss and continue on. He start droppin game and tellin all of us that "it ain't the 1890's", and he was right. Ok, you have a record. And? My nephew has a record and signed another deal with a major label. He is living his dream. His mother, who actually sent someone 6 feet deep will be going into business for herself later on this year. Yes, you may have a record, but that does NOT mean you can't make $$$$ or succeed. What is stoping you from going to school? What is stopping you from opening your own business? What is stopping you from investing in tangibles?

AND OTHA COMMUNITIES FOR THAT MATTER.
These other communities are not saturated with drugs like the black community. Yes you do have white communities with drug problems, but if you compare these to the black communities, you will see who is worse or better off.

BUT I'M NOT TALKIN' BOUT JUST STRAIgHT OUT EVERYTHANg IS LEgAL. JUST MODIFY THE LAWS WHERE THEY AIN'T HURTIN' US FOR SIMPLE MISTAKES WE MAKE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PEEPED AFRICAS THREAD WHERE HE BROUgHT OUT THE FIgURES ABOUT CRAK CONVICTIONS VERSES POWDERED COCAINE AND THE TIME THAT gOES WITH EACH.
So, what you are saying is you want the white man to give you a pass to do wrong. You are saying you want the white man to give you a pass to destroy yourself. Yes, I know blacks receive far worse sentences for rock cocaine than cocaine, and I didn't have to read Tenks thread (because I myself have said the same thing.) However, you have options. You do NOT have to sell blow to get ahead.

ALL I'M SAYIN' IS TO LIFT LAWS THAT SPECIFICALLY HURT US AND PUT AN AMOUNT THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO BE CONSIDERED LEgAL.BUT IT WAS VERY INTERESTIN'.I WOULDN'T WANT ALL DRUgS LEgALIZED.[/
No amount should be acceptable. Also, you are saying to lift laws that specifically hurt us. You mention Tenks posts, and you are basically arguing that crack/coke laws are hurting us. Where does this leave the drug dealers who are facing unfair laws?

I WOULDN'T WANT ALL DRUgS LEgALIZED. JUST CHRONIC AND HAVE SOME LAWS BE RETRO FOR THE ONES THAT'S BEEN CONVICTED OF NON-VIOLENT CRIMES.
IMHO, anytime you sell yay to a pregnant/expecting mother you SHOULD be convicted of a VIOLENT crime.

THAT'S "IF" THEY'RE AVAILABLE AND "IF" PEOPLE CHOOSE TO gO THAT ROUTE WITH IT. BUT I SUgKEST LEgALIZIN' WEED IF NE-THANg.
Are you paying attention to the title of the thread? The title of the thread is "MEXICO LEGALIZES DRUGS..SO SHOULD WE?" I am speaking from a hypothetical, and so is EVERYONE ELSE who is partaing in this topic. However, all you have to do is look at the CURRENT state of black addiction and see if the numbers will rise if drugs are legalized.

I UNDA-STAND YOUR POINT, BUT WEED ISN'T ALCOHOL AND DOESN'T MAKE YOU ACT LIKE THAT. IF N-E-THANg, OUTLAW LIQCOUR AND LEgALIZE WEED. I DON'T CARE FOR CANE. THEY JUST NEED TO BE MORE LENIENT WITH SOME OF THEM LAWS.
No one said alcohol and weed made people act the same. However, alcohol and weed are addictive, and addiction is one of the main reasons why drugs should NOT be legalized.

LOL. YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION. BUT BELIEVE ME THAT I AM IN THE MIDDLE OF SHIT AND JUST AIN'T gOIN' OFF OF STUDIES. I READ A FEW STUDIES HOW DRUgS TIE INTO CRIME AND IT IS OBVIOUS THAT ALCOHOL AND COCAINE AND N-E-OTHA DRUg THAT MAKES YOU VIOLENT OR BRINgS OUT THE BEAST WAS A CATALYST IN THE SHIT. I AgREE WITH YOU AND THE STUDIES. BUT WHERE THAT LEAVE WEED?
Bro, are you reading the same thread everyone else is reading? If you have read ANYTHING about the relation between drugs and crime why would you type the following,"I BEg TO DIFFER. AND I AM AWARE OF THE STUDIES. BUT LEgALIZIN' WHAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE DOESN'T HAVE NOTHIN' TO DO WITH WHAT PEOPLE ALREADY DO WHEN THEY HIgH?" Simply put, if you have read and understood ANYTHING relating to the co-relation, you would have never typed that. First you beg to differ, and now you are in agreement with what I am saying. Which is it? Now, where does this leave weed? Again, are you reading the same thread as everyone else? No one is implying that weed causes violent behavior, however weed causes other physical and mental side effects.

THAT'S ALL SPECULATION. YOU ASSUMIN' THAT IF THEY LEgALIZED "ALL" THE WAY WITH NO HOLDS BARED, NO REPERCUSSIONS, ALL ACCESS, THEN YES. IF SHIT WAS TO BE LEgALIZE, IT WOULD BE CONTROLLED. ALL IT WOULD AFFECT IS WHO gETS ARRESTED AND THE MANIPULATION OF THOSE LAWS.
No, it is not speculation but FACT based on americas track record when actions are decriminalized. It is also a simple case of economics (supply and demand.) The fact that something is LEGALIZED and now CONTROLLED means MORE PEOPLE WILL DO IT BECAUSE IT IS NOW OK TO DO!! PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T DO IT BEFORE WILL HAVE ACCESS TO IT AND MOST LIKELY THESE PEOPLE WILL TRY IT. WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THIS?!?!?! PEOPLE WILL NOW DO IT BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE NO DETTERENTS EXCEPT FOR THE MINOR RESTRAINTS (DON'T SMOKE WITHIN SCHOOL ZONES AND DON'T SELL TO MINORS.)

HELL NAW. IT JUST MADE A FEW PEOPLE RICH, AND MORE AND MORE TYPES OF LICQOUR.
So, you just admitted the numbers pertaining to alcohol did NOT go down. Alcohol was legalized and controlled, so why do you believe the numbers pertaining to legalized drugs will NOT rise?

OF COURSE.
see the above

THAT'S NO BIg SECRET. BUT YOU CAN'T gROUP "ALL" CAUSE ALL DRUgS DON'T HAVE THE SAME EFFECT
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I have classified drugs as "Those that are currently illegal (and this also includes LEGAL drugs that have been illegally prescribed or accessed.)" Please READ what has been PREVIOUSLY posted. No one has implied that all drugs have the same effect which is why I said, "No, I do not consider marijuana to be the same type of drug as cocaine", and "I never implied they were and proof of my knowledge that all drugs are not the same is my acknowledgement of the differences between opiates and coke." Again, READ what has been previously typed.

BUT, NOT ALL DRUgS AFFECT ALL PEOPLE THE SAME.
No one implied they did and I have already acknowledged the differences between them. For further insight reread my previous statement.

I AIN'T FOR LEgALIZIN' ALL THE VIOLENT MAKIN' DRUgS. LET'S gET THAT STRAIgHT. I'M FOR AMMENDIN' A FEW LAWS THAT AFFECT OUR COMMUNITIES.
What are these laws you wish to ammend?

IF I COULD, I WOULD MAKE LICQOUR ILLEgAL. JUST CAUSE I HATE DRUNK MUTHA-FUKAS AND THE FAKENESS THAT COMES WITH IT.
Ok.

YES, I'M SERIOUS. ALL YOU'LL SEE IS LESS PEOPLE gETTIN' ARRESTED FOR PETTY SHIT. CAUSE LEgAL OR ILLEgAL IT'S STILL gONNA gO DOWN. THESE LAWS AIN'T STOPPED SHIT.
No one has implied that the laws have stopped EVERYONE, however the laws HAVE stopped people. Just ask ANYONE who has went to jail and succesfully turned their life around. Laws/fines/sentences DETER people from crime. If these were not in place you would have NO restraint and everyone would simply do as they please. It is not true that all you'll see is less people getting arrested for petty shit. The correlation between DRUGS and CRIME (including weed) have already been established and NON-VIOLENT drugs (such as opiates and weed) WILL contribute to increased accidents, fetal abnormalities, lawsuits ( for example if a person was high and caused an accident), rising insurance premiums, increased medical cost in medical coverage and a host of other issues that will come up.
 
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I bet If marijauna wasnt sold on the streets like it is , it may have a chance to be legalized, but hell nah it wont, if it was legalized every one and they mama would sell marijauna since itz fast and easy money
 
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I may disagree with H on a lot of things but I think that other than religion, this is the ONE subject that I most respect his views on.

I just recently helped someone semi-recover from Meth. Very personal experience but I was wondering HERESY if I could kick you a PM and see what you think about how I got through it and what I had to sacrifice in order to help someone take back their life.

It's really sad to see people turn to drugs as a solution to their problems.
 

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I may disagree with H on a lot of things but I think that other than religion, this is the ONE subject that I most respect his views on.

I just recently helped someone semi-recover from Meth. Very personal experience but I was wondering HERESY if I could kick you a PM and see what you think about how I got through it and what I had to sacrifice in order to help someone take back their life.

It's really sad to see people turn to drugs as a solution to their problems.
Send it. My box is half full, I have room.
 
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there's no worry cuz they will NEVER legalize drugs in the US..it would be pandemonium!
what about morphine? thats legal...and the US govt. is currently researching the use of marijuana...
Your right tho, we would go crazy if the "harder" drugs went legal...rich to poor...
 

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No, I do not consider marijuana to be the same type of drug as cocaine. Also, the crimes commited by the addicts have been on a rise.
Violent crime I've read is actually decreasing, but it was in a criminology book for my course, so it could be bias.

They should learn to save? How can they save when they have poor spending habits and no one is TEACHING them HOW to save? Do you realize that the problems with addiction are not just physical but MENTAL? Do you realize the problems within the black community are NOT just physical but MENTAL? You can't simply say "learn how to save" or expect them to save when they are RENTERS, HAVE NO BANK ACCOUNTS (or limited knowledge of banking), and don't realize the empowerment that comes with OWNERSHIP. How can you expect them to save when you have more options and opportunities to waste your money?
I'm not one to usually say people need to get over it, but you can't expect people to teach you how to live your life. Spending is something that needs to be monitored. You can't say they don't "know" they have little money. They know it. They know how much they have to spend. Now, I understand that there is a difference bewteen telling someone to save, and teaching them how to do it. But if these people are grown ass adults that have jobs, pay rent and bills etc, they CAN save, they just CHOOSE not to...Not all though, I can't say everyone is like that. But there are people that just blow their fuckin money. I wasn't talking about just black communities either, but that's not really a major issue. I do realize the problems are not physical but also mental, but nobody can expect anyone to do anything for them or to do everything for them.

And you last sentence, "How can you expect them to save when you have more options and opportunities to waste your money?" I don't waste my money. The only thing that could be considered a waste that I spend money on is weed, swishers, and black and milds. I have more opportunities to spend money than most people do, but I DON'T spend it. I can attribute some of that to my parents and some of it to me learning how I need to do things. I'm not trying to say that it's the easiest thing to do in the world, but shit....if you KNOW you have NO money, what the fuck are you spending for? To "feel" like you have money for a second, then realize 3 minutes later you're almost over your limit? Saving is NOT a problem with just minorities, it's with everyone, they just have the least money so when they do spend it on "shit" (worthless stuff they don't need) they really don't have anything left.


Do you realize that when people are allowed to do something they do it? A girl can have never drank alcohol in her life and at 21 she might drink too much and end up getting raped. People WILL do them if they are legal. People WILL do them if companies who are selling drugs MARKET and PROMOTE to a specific demographic who is known to spend money on drugs.
Do you realize not everyone is the same? Some people have self control. Some don't. People will do drugs regardless. But I do agree that the media would market it to people who would spend money on it, which isn't really fair, but that's where the idea of-know how much money you have and how much you NEED to have for rent, food, bills, whatever. Not everything is the fault of a social institution, sometimes people really are just not being responsible or doing their part...obviously this isn't the case with everyone, I'm saying it so it's out there.

Which has a long term affect on your body and mind? Spending your money at wal-mart or spending your money on crack?
Body and mind....crack. Body OR mind...Wal-Mart. :)


No, you are mistaken. Not all people WILL do what they want regardless of the law. Also, as I have previously mentioned before, laws and punishment act as a detterent to illegal activity.You are saying their is no difference if they waste it now or later. Do you realize the number of people wasting money on drugs will GROW because if it is legalized. Its a SIMPLE case of supply and demand or "You build it, they will come." If you were to lower the legal drinking age from 21 to 18 what would you have? More teen age drinkers, higher insurance premiums, more accidents cause by teen drunk driving etc. Now think about drugs.....
I could be. Not all of anyone will do everything or any one thing, I agree. And yes, I know laws and punishment are are detterent to illegal activity. I'm sure that more people would buy drugs, but that doesn't mean they would have a drug problem. There is a dominant portion of our society that thinks drugs are like the devil. You do have a good point, I'm speaking though more from my perspective when I talk about self-control and responsibility because I know what I can and can't do and what I like and don't like.



How can they save when they are bombarded with so many vices? How can they save when they do not KNOW how to save? Also, I disagree with your statement that it is not the governments job. Why do I disagree with this? Because, we are supposed to give the government the power to make laws that DO make us responsible human beings. Why do you think laws are in place? Why do you think bills are passed?
Back on this again huh? Everyone has vices. Can you give me some examples of what you're talking about just so I can get where you're comin from better? I guess I do take for granted that I know how to save, so it's easy for me. And as for it being the gov't's job to help, yeah I can see that, but the PEOPLE are supposed to be the government, not some unseen entity that doesn't every say shit about shit. And the point of them making laws is not to make us all responsible citizens, some people can govern themselves, like me. Laws are in place to control people's lives and behavior, that's it.



And, what system would take the place of the current status quo? What you are saying is to let drugs run rampant, cause peopel to stop doing their daily activities and this will destroy the current system....Do you HONESTLY believe this?
If I said let drugs run rampant, I didn't mean it. Weed, shrooms, maybe acid, maybe some other shit too but not coke, meth, or crack. Drugs don't cause people to stop doing their shit, it's the PERSON that makes that choice, to a point I guess because of their situation...But they can choose to either do drugs, or not. That's on them. Blaming other people because someone can't say no to cocaine is kind of weak. On the other side, putting cocaine/crack in low income places and selling it cheap (like our gov't did) is fucked off, which is why I wouldn't allow meth, crack, or coke to be sold, or why I disagree with it's sale.



You would prefer a nation of junkies over a nation of sheep. Six in one hand, half a dozen in the other. How are you going to restrict the people from going dumb or getting stupid? How would you enforce these restrictions?
I'm not sure actually. It's in the somewhere in the middle now....People are always gonna be stupid. I don't think telling everyone what to do is going to work. But I gotta go to class, so if I can finish replying to the rest later, I'll copy and paste it...
 

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This country needs more junkies, crack babies, heroin addicts falling asleep while operating machinary, lunatic LSD addicts becoming soldiers, people sliding off snowy mountain in hopes of looking like tony montana and more dummies running around,dancing on top of cars and ghost riding whips while making thizz faces. Yes, this is exactly what this country needs. Now, before any of you go off on a tangent and try to argue against what I am saying by stating, "It's legal in Amsterdam", or "Alcohol was illegal and it's legal now", I have two questions for you:

1. Is Amsterdam the same size as the united states? Does Amsterdam have the same political and cultural climate as the united states?

2. What neigborhoods and cultures/races of people are affected the most by the sell alcohol? Are the people most affected White, "Jewish", or "Asain/Oriental" (this covers japanese, chinese, korean etc),or are the people who are most affected black or mexican?
wether shit is legla or illegal, folks will do everything you mentioned, only if its illegal do more and more ppl get sent to jail at the expense of taxpayers.