MEXICO LEGALIZES DRUGS..SO SHOULD WE?

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at the very least, marijuana needs to be decriminalized in all 50 states as well as its outlying territories... let me speak on the prohibition of cannabis...

fuck that law. marijuana was originally outlawed in the 1930's on the basis of racism and ignorance... and it continues to be illegal to this day, despite the fact that the racist beliefs that justified this law in the first place is now politically incorrect, along side the ever so growing list of useful things cannabis can provide... and people STILL go to jail over this... its little shit like this that make me absolutely despise the united states government.

and as a result of all this, most other countries around the world followed suit and made marijuana illegal without checking with their brains first to see if prohibition made sense... but not only that, most of them try to upstage the united states as far as crime and punishment involving marijuana goes, and people in these countries end up getting executed for petty possession, if not get sent away to jail for a good fraction of their lives.

so every time i light a joint up, its not solely to get high... its also my way of saying "fuck you" to the u.s. government.

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1st off, lets get things strait...yes a CERTAIN amount of drugs is legal, enough for personal use. I'm makin that clear because everyone is saying, "oh fuck, drugs are legal in mexico now." The reasoning behind it, to me, is so fuckin stupid. Mexico believes by making personal use "legal" that they can put their focus on the big time dealers. But, too be perfectly honest, now your just most likely going to have some pissed off mexican officers who cant get they extra "pay off" for lettin some of these ppl go.

As far as making certain drugs legal...well shit, we all know that the only drug that has the smallest chance of doing so is marijuana, and you know that if that drug were to become legal, it would be altered by the gov in so many ways that it most likely wouldnt have its potency like the"good old days of illegal weed"
So you'll prolly have ppl that most it legally, and those that dont...
thats just my opinion on it though...
 

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Marijuana was made illegal for a couple reasons (but racism wasn't one, at least not use in Congress)....Soak Game, I read through some Congressional Documents about this....

1937....Harry Anslinger (nephew in law, i think, of a huge investment banker) was head of the federal burea of narcotics...his uncle in law had MILLIONS of dollars invested into cotton, lumber, and one other thing that hemp would phase out if not made illegal...Long story short, Harry tells Congress that 50% of heroin users are only using heroin because marijuana made them need that harder drug. That's it. I can go and find the paperwork again, but it would take me awhile....I wrote a paper on legalization for my english 102 course, so I probably still have the paper and bibliography....But that's the skinny on it...That's the primary reason, and if I could find the paper on my computer I'd use the exact quotes from the congressional hearing....i'll get back on this...

Movies like Refer Madness didn't help, cause those people smokin weed looked like and acted like tweakers...

To answer the question....I think marijuana should be legalized. Shrooms, LSD, and small amounts of coke should be decriminalized, but that's about it.
 

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No......

This country needs more junkies, crack babies, heroin addicts falling asleep while operating machinary, lunatic LSD addicts becoming soldiers, people sliding off snowy mountain in hopes of looking like tony montana and more dummies running around,dancing on top of cars and ghost riding whips while making thizz faces. Yes, this is exactly what this country needs. Now, before any of you go off on a tangent and try to argue against what I am saying by stating, "It's legal in Amsterdam", or "Alcohol was illegal and it's legal now", I have two questions for you:

1. Is Amsterdam the same size as the united states? Does Amsterdam have the same political and cultural climate as the united states?

2. What neigborhoods and cultures/races of people are affected the most by the sell alcohol? Are the people most affected White, "Jewish", or "Asain/Oriental" (this covers japanese, chinese, korean etc),or are the people who are most affected black or mexican?
 

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^MEXICAN AND BLAK ARE ALREADY FUCCED OFF IN THE gAME. LEgALIZIN' DRUgS ALLEVIATES THE BUREACREACY OF PEOPLES BEIN' LOCCED UP FOR BULLSHIT. CAUSE IF SOMEBODY USES DRUgS, THEY USIN' IT REgARDLESS IF IT'S LEgAL OR ILLEgAL.
 

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@Heresy...Amsterdam is obviously not the same size and I would say it's not the same cultural climate. They have had things legal there for quite awhile so kids are brought up with it being around or in the culture so they know the difference. In our culture parents tend to demonize drugs or anything "bad" which doesn't seem to be helping.

And I'm not a expert and I don't have research to back it up but I'd say alcohol mostly effects people with lower incomes which tend to be African Americans, Mexicans, and some white people. But overall, alcohol is just a huge problem in this country. People can't seem to control their behavior, no matter what it relates to.

And I'm sure you know this, but I don't think countries will seriously try to make things better for their people, especially the poor folks. The rich want to stay on top and keep people way under them, it's a nice reoccuring cycle that the whole world seems to follow.
 

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MEXICAN AND BLAK ARE ALREADY FUCCED OFF IN THE gAME.
So, what is the use of "unity" between the two races or change if they are already "fucced off in the game?" If they are in a bad condition now what will they be like if drugs ARE legalized?

LEgALIZIN' DRUgS ALLEVIATES THE BUREACREACY OF PEOPLES BEIN' LOCCED UP FOR BULLSHIT
Actually it does NOT. Are you aware of the studies showing the correlation between drugs and other criminal activity? If you are not familiar I suggest you do become familiar. After that you can post the stats showing the # of rapes, murders, beatings and robberies that where commited while the person was on drugs.

CAUSE IF SOMEBODY USES DRUgS, THEY USIN' IT REgARDLESS IF IT'S LEgAL OR ILLEgAL.
And, if more people have access (supply and demand) more people will do it.
 

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^^What do you mean when you say "drugs" though in regard to committing crime? There are certain drugs that bring about aggressive behavior even if you have no predisposition to violence...PCP being one of them, I think cocaine and amphetamine are on that list as well. Marijuana and opiates, from what I read, actually decrease the likelihood of aggressive/violent behavior. I took a criminology course and we talked a lot of this and read a shit load of stuff about it, it was actually pretty interesting...

There's gonna be problems either way, if drugs are legal there are gonna be problems relating to that, if not problems will remain the same. There's more shit people should be worried about than drugs, like our education system which has gone to shit.
 

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@Heresy...Amsterdam is obviously not the same size and I would say it's not the same cultural climate. They have had things legal there for quite awhile so kids are brought up with it being around or in the culture so they know the difference. In our culture parents tend to demonize drugs or anything "bad" which doesn't seem to be helping.
Yes, the kids are raised with it, however when it comes to addiction how many of the citizens who use legalized drugs are addicted? How many of these citizens go on to commit other criminal activities while impaired by drugs?

And I'm not a expert and I don't have research to back it up but I'd say alcohol mostly effects people with lower incomes which tend to be African Americans, Mexicans, and some white people. But overall, alcohol is just a huge problem in this country. People can't seem to control their behavior, no matter what it relates to.
If people with lower incomes will be affected why make it legal? Why give them access and the greenlight to spend what little money they have on drugs? Why give them more options to WASTE what little they have?

And I'm sure you know this, but I don't think countries will seriously try to make things better for their people, especially the poor folks. The rich want to stay on top and keep people way under them, it's a nice reoccuring cycle that the whole world seems to follow.
And what do you think would happen if drugs are legalized?
 

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HERESY,
YOU STRESSED, "So, what is the use of "unity" between the two races or change if they are already "fucced off in the game?" "

TO gET SOME KIND OF RETRIBUTION. TO HAVE A SMALL VICTORY. SOMETHIN' IS BETTER THAN NOTHIN'.


THEN YOU STRESSED, "If they are in a bad condition now what will they be like if drugs ARE legalized?"

IT WILL MEAN THAT ATLEAST THERE AIN'T BIAS AND RACIST LAWS CAUSIN' A SNOW-BALL EFFECT THAT KEEPS OPPRESSIN' US.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Actually it does NOT. Are you aware of the studies showing the correlation between drugs and other criminal activity?"

I BEg TO DIFFER. AND I AM AWARE OF THE STUDIES. BUT LEgALIZIN' WHAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE DOESN'T HAVE NOTHIN' TO DO WITH WHAT PEOPLE ALREADY DO WHEN THEY HIgH.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "After that you can post the stats showing the # of rapes, murders, beatings and robberies that where commited while the person was on drugs."

SOUNDS LIKE YOU PARANOID OF DRUgS AND SHIFTIN' THE PROBLEM THERE. YES, DRUgS IMPAIRS PEOPLES JUDgEMENT, BUT DRUgS DON'T MAKE YOU DO THAT SHIT. PEOPLE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEY OWN ACTIONS.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "And, if more people have access (supply and demand) more people will do it."

HOW WILL PEOPLE HAVE MORE ACCESS THAN THEY ALREADY DO?
 

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HERESY said:
Yes, the kids are raised with it, however when it comes to addiction how many of the citizens who use legalized drugs are addicted? How many of these citizens go on to commit other criminal activities while impaired by drugs?
I'd say probably a very small amount of them. But what "drugs" are you talking about? Do you consider marijuana the same type of "drug" as cocaine? And I would think that they wouldn't commit a lot of drug-related crimes over there.

If people with lower incomes will be affected why make it legal? Why give them access and the greenlight to spend what little money they have on drugs? Why give them more options to WASTE what little they have?
They should learn to save. While I understand it would make drugs easier to get, if those people don't want to use drugs, they aren't going to. They're gonna spend their money on something else if it's not drugs, like Wal-Mart. People will do what they want regardless of the law, so they're wasting their money on drugs now, there's no difference if drugs are legal and they still waste their money on it. I think I get where you're coming from, and I hate to be the "too bad for them" type of person, but SAVING money is important, and I'm sure that people in poverty or those that don't have a lot of money know this. I can't control if they spend their money on shit...But I would like to have a say in how things effect me and a lot of others that can be responsible....It's not the gov't's job to make sure people are responsible human beings, that's the individuals job.

And what do you think would happen if drugs are legalized?
In this country? I think if ALL drugs were legalized we would have a serious problem with people gettin high versus going to work and doing their daily shit...However, I don't see that as a real problem because that would just further destroy the bullshit system which is in place. I'd rather have everyone be high than have everyone follow what the gov't and society tells them to do, as long as while people are high they aren't "going dumb" and "getting stupid" cause you know people act lik retards sometimes. Basically I mean as long as people can remain civil, it's cool.

My overall stance is, legalize drugs for ME. I know what I can handle. I know what my boundaries are. Most people don't and even those that do most of the time don' stop. Until people learn some responsibility I don't think shit will be made legal...But I'm not an expert on the subject, so I really don't "know" what would happen. This is all speculation.
 

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^^What do you mean when you say "drugs" though in regard to committing crime?
Those that are currently illegal (and this also includes LEGAL drugs that have been illegally prescribed or accessed.)

There are certain drugs that bring about aggressive behavior even if you have no predisposition to violence...PCP being one of them, I think cocaine and amphetamine are on that list as well. Marijuana and opiates, from what I read, actually decrease the likelihood of aggressive/violent behavior.
Look at the drugs that are going to be legalized by the Mexican government. How many of them are on your list? Now look at the united states and think about the people who are on drugs. Does this country have a crack/cocaine and meth problem? Also, I would not say that marijuana and opiates themselves decrease the likelihood of aggressive/violent behavior within a person. I would say people who are impaired by them are less likely to commit an aggressive/violent crime while they are on them. When they come down from the high it is back to square 1. In addition, I have yet to read of any reports showing how marijuana and opiates reduce aggressive and violent behavior, and this brings me to another point. Not all of the crimes commited while being on marijuana, opiates or any drugs are agressive or violent crimes. Here is one example:

Mike the heroin addict shoots smack in his veins. He gets a call from his wife to come home because his daughter is sick and shaking because she swallowed some of his stash. Mike grabs his keys and gets in his car. Not fully down from his high he attempts to drive across town. At the last stoplight before he makes it home Mike runs a redlight, smacks an old lady who was crossing the street, spins out, gets hit head on from another car and is thrown from his vehicle.

Are the numerous crimes commited here crimes of aggressive or violent nature?

There's gonna be problems either way, if drugs are legal there are gonna be problems relating to that, if not problems will remain the same. There's more shit people should be worried about than drugs, like our education system which has gone to shit.
1. This country does NOT want to stop the drug problem.

2. The problem could be rectified or limited if #1 were changed OR new tactics were implemented.

3. I disagree with more shit people should be worried about instead of drugs (as it relates to this country.) The reason being is you have had a lot of minorities die over drugs. Meth is becoming an epidemic and young kids are becoming ADDICTED at an even younger age. Yes, our education system has gone to shit, and do you want some reasons why it has gone to shit? In the late 70's and early 80's crack was setting the stage for the MAJOR fall of the inner city population. When the parents were on crack, gave birth to children and these children entered schools, a lot of teachers did not know how to teach them. These teachers LEFT, and some classess began to become overpopulated. Also, you now have GENERATIONS of crack babies in school now. How are you going to teach them when their minds are not right and their bodies are craving for a fix?
 

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HERESY said:
Those that are currently illegal (and this also includes LEGAL drugs that have been illegally prescribed or accessed.)
Okay.



Look at the drugs that are going to be legalized by the Mexican government. How many of them are on your list? Now look at the united states and think about the people who are on drugs. Does this country have a crack/cocaine and meth problem?
I don't think ALL drugs should be legal. Although I have said that before, I said it in haste. This country has a serious problem with stimulant drugs in general, the worst being Caffiene, and how do you feel about that as the leading addiction in this country? I've been told that is the #1 addiction, I haven't researched it though.

Also, I would not say that marijuana and opiates themselves decrease the likelihood of aggressive/violent behavior within a person. I would say people who are impaired by them are less likely to commit an aggressive/violent crime while they are on them. When they come down from the high it is back to square 1. In addition, I have yet to read of any reports showing how marijuana and opiates reduce aggressive and violent behavior, and this brings me to another point. Not all of the crimes commited while being on marijuana, opiates or any drugs are agressive or violent crimes.
You dont' have to say they do. What I meant was, while under the influence of marijuana and/or opiates you are more sedated and "happy feeling" so you (the person who took it) are less likely to be aggressive in nature.

Here is one example:

Mike the heroin addict shoots smack in his veins. He gets a call from his wife to come home because his daughter is sick and shaking because she swallowed some of his stash. Mike grabs his keys and gets in his car. Not fully down from his high he attempts to drive across town. At the last stoplight before he makes it home Mike runs a redlight, smacks an old lady who was crossing the street, spins out, gets hit head on from another car and is thrown from his vehicle.

Are the numerous crimes commited here crimes of aggressive or violent nature?
I do agree with you on that, it's not violent or aggressive. But the DRUG did not make him go and drive. That was his stupid ass decision. Now if he hadn't done the heroin in the first place his kid wouldn't have swallowed it, again that's HIS choice. The drug didn't make him buy more drugs, the kid didn't make him do it, nor his wife. I realize individuals have problems and if it gets to that state I think people do need help and rehab, but my main focus was really marijuana...Which I don't consider a drug, or at least not the class of drug like any other.


1. This country does NOT want to stop the drug problem.
I agree with you. I tend to believe this country is part of the problem, ie: Freeway Ricky.

2. The problem could be rectified or limited if #1 were changed OR new tactics were implemented.
I agree with you, but not ALL drugs are the same. My problem is when people try to label every drug as the same. If people are gonna put marijuana into the same category as cocaine, than you might as well throw in alcohol and tabacco.

3. I disagree with more shit people should be worried about instead of drugs (as it relates to this country.) The reason being is you have had a lot of minorities die over drugs. Meth is becoming an epidemic and young kids are becoming ADDICTED at an even younger age. Yes, our education system has gone to shit, and do you want some reasons why it has gone to shit? In the late 70's and early 80's crack was setting the stage for the MAJOR fall of the inner city population. When the parents were on crack, gave birth to children and these children entered schools, a lot of teachers did not know how to teach them. These teachers LEFT, and some classess began to become overpopulated. Also, you now have GENERATIONS of crack babies in school now. How are you going to teach them when their minds are not right and their bodies are craving for a fix?
I agree with you again on the meth problem. I have a lof of friends back home that didn't do shit after high school, except get into meth. They were gettin their "little homies" to do it with them and they were like 15...I was the only person to ever get on their case about it though.

And that is not the sole reason for the education system being shitty. I mean, it could be the fact that by the time you're in 2nd grade they have you mapped out with how they want to teach you, and how far in life you will go based on a nice little test they give you when you're 8 years old. Schools are in place to create workers for the technology and service age of today, that's my opinion.

As far as the crack babies and that whole situation, I really don't know. There are special programs for teaching, and some of them actually don't have that bad of a need for a "fix" and can actually learn. But since my knowledge on this topic is limited, that's all I can say.
 

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the reason i made this thread..because there was a thread in the open fourm, and a lot of cats were sayin the US should follow suit...
personally if the US did legalize drugs in the same manner as Mexico, it would be chaos..people would take advantge of the system, and it would take 10 years or more to let everything take its course, as far a passing laws to control it, and hey what about dem taxes....
 

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TO gET SOME KIND OF RETRIBUTION. TO HAVE A SMALL VICTORY. SOMETHIN' IS BETTER THAN NOTHIN'.
So, you are saying to win a battle but not win the war.....

IT WILL MEAN THAT ATLEAST THERE AIN'T BIAS AND RACIST LAWS CAUSIN' A SNOW-BALL EFFECT THAT KEEPS OPPRESSIN' US.
The biased and racist laws can actually work to your benefit IF you know how to manipulate and pimp the system. Aso when these biased and racist laws are removed you WILL have more access to drugs in the black and mexican communities. You WILL have more blacks and mexicans becoming addicted to them. Look at the legalization of alcohol and how it has affected the black community. You see liquor stores (the majority of them owned by NON-BLACKS) in black neighborhoods. Are these neighborhoods well maintained? What are the crime levels like in these places?

I BEg TO DIFFER. AND I AM AWARE OF THE STUDIES. BUT LEgALIZIN' WHAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE DOESN'T HAVE NOTHIN' TO DO WITH WHAT PEOPLE ALREADY DO WHEN THEY HIgH.
I do NOT believe you when you claim you are aware of the studies. Legalizing what is already out there DOES have EVERYTHINHG to do with what people do when they are already high. The numbers WILL go up if the drugs are legalized. When alcohol was legalized did its numbers go down? Do you have more cases of alcohol related deaths and fetal alcohol syndrome now that it is legal? If you were aware of the studies you would understand what I and sixxness have typed. In fact here is what sixxness typed:

There are certain drugs that bring about aggressive behavior even if you have no predisposition to violence.
Lets move on.

SOUNDS LIKE YOU PARANOID OF DRUgS AND SHIFTIN' THE PROBLEM THERE. YES, DRUgS IMPAIRS PEOPLES JUDgEMENT, BUT DRUgS DON'T MAKE YOU DO THAT SHIT. PEOPLE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEY OWN ACTIONS.
See the above. Again, if you had ANY idea of the stats you would know this is not paranoia and has been DOCUMENTED.

HOW WILL PEOPLE HAVE MORE ACCESS THAN THEY ALREADY DO?
Is this question serious? How will people have more access than they already do? Well for starters the penalties/sentences for breaking the laws act as DETERRENTS. If you have less people selling drugs because they are afraid to catch a case that means less access. The laws themselves limit the access, and I have no idea why you don't understand this. When these laws are removed more dealers will be able to deal, and more sources for drugs (like liquor stores or over the counter shops) will be open to the people. Now, where are these places likely to be set up? In black neighborhoods or white neighborhoods?