Mexico anger as teenager shot dead by US border agent
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Not really.
In the large scope of things (primarily) European settlers took this land by force starting 500 years ago.
That is how humans have been claiming territory since Homo Erectus. It's nothing new and far from the first time a more power group took resources from a less powerful group.
Not unlike the previous land acquisition's of the Aztec, Huns, Persians, Goths, Romans, etc, etc, etc over less powerful groups.
If Mexicans want this land, they can do like humans have been doing for millions of years and try to take it.
Let's also not forget Native American's themselves weren't exactly all meeting up in Utah and singing Kumbaya with each other. They were fighting each other for resources long before a dirty white man even dared to think that the end of the oceans weren't a chasm into the abyss.
Ok?
LOL - Yeah no Native Americans ever went to war for territory, it was always and only to save their dying mothers.
No, but it certainly diminishes their ability to claim injustice. Pot calling kettle syndrome.
Michael Jordan and Brian Scalabrine both play the same game. Michael Jordan is just much better at it.
LOL - Yeah no Native Americans ever went to war for territory, it was always and only to save their dying mothers.
No, but it certainly diminishes their ability to claim injustice. Pot calling kettle syndrome.
Michael Jordan and Brian Scalabrine both play the same game. Michael Jordan is just much better at it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_warfare
Ahhh the nobility of warfare for human sacrifice.
Strange, that sounds familiar.
So if Europeans had just dominated, killed, sacrificed, and taxed - that somehow would have been different?
I wholeheartedly disagree. The motive for immigrating means everything. If the US hadn't taken advantage of Mexico and the rest of the Latin American countrys' resources and actually let those countries compete in the global market, the economies in those countries wouldn't be as bad. Immigration from Latin America is directly correlated to specific places where US corporations and businesses have gone and changed the economy. It's a proven fact and not even argued about amongst modern immigration experts.
All this talk of "if it wouldn't have been us, it would have been someone else" and "it's human nature and has been happening for years" doesn't change the fact that today Mexicans and the rest of Latin America continue to feel the affects of US Foreign policy the last 100 years in this hemisphere...
All this talk of "if it wouldn't have been us, it would have been someone else" and "it's human nature and has been happening for years" doesn't change the fact that today Mexicans and the rest of Latin America continue to feel the affects of US Foreign policy the last 100 years in this hemisphere...
Well according to you they are not the same game;
so how could you possibly compare them?
We are either comparing apples to apples and Europeans were simply better at their deadly game, or we are not, and then how could you compare the successes of two different games?
But sure, if you seriously think you have the ability to defend your position by objectively quantifying the "badness" of one territorial expansion of a small segment of our species over the last minuscule portion of our history over another, go right ahead.
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The European imperialistic expansion was probably the most deadly genocide in recorded history, does that make less deadly genocides any less wrong?
Nope, but which genocide still has effects to this day on society? It's not about who's wrong or who's right, killing is wrong regardless. The difference is that one genocide played a larger part in the formation of modern society and how it's been shaped more than the rest, and there's no denying that.
Since you are comparing war to a game I'll explain my position using those terms. Basketball is a a game, golf is a game. Golf and Basketball only share a few minor qualities because they are both games, but the aims, and techniques are very different in these two games. Can we then say that the two are absolutely equal just because they are both games? Can we say the two are absolutely equal because some players of golf use the same techniques of basketball players and vice versa?
Murder is murder, yes, but the reasons and how you murder someone make a difference in how you're prosecuted in the eyes of the world, and barring you're usual devil's advocate position I know you agree with me. Now I am not privy to any Native genocide, besides that of the Europeans against the Natives...care to elaborate?
Murder is murder, yes, but the reasons and how you murder someone make a difference in how you're prosecuted in the eyes of the world, and barring you're usual devil's advocate position I know you agree with me. Now I am not privy to any Native genocide, besides that of the Europeans against the Natives...care to elaborate?
Why argue about it instead let us learn from this history, the side that wins, usually wins for a reason. The better system will always win, weather Culture, Technology, or Economic on the grand scale of Civilization. If their would to be another civil war in the U.S wtf would be the cause, cultural uprising because the country is broke? If the rebel side wins what Code of laws would be implemented? Would we use the U.S constitution still? How would we regain our economy and Technology? Probably turn into the same shit unless a great person appears and changes ideals of the retards to a common side. Communism seems to be the last answer.
Damn been playing too much Civilization Revolution but you get my point..
Damn been playing too much Civilization Revolution but you get my point..