Mayweather will agree to fight Pacman in 3.5 years
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Listen, if you're campaigning on the platform that you want to, and I quote, "clean up the sport" you don't fight a person you know is on steroids, and this brings me to my point. What proof does Floyd have that Pac is on steroids? NONE! Because if he did, he would show the world the proof and Pacmans legacy would go directly down the toilet. But what Floyd has done is made accusations and claims without proof (which is why he is being sued), made stipulations that the sanctioning bodies of pro boxing don't even make and only did so when Pacman was put in front of him.
If you care so much about the sport, the integrity of it, and livelihood of fellow boxers, you won't go against your principles even though it may be a big pay off or the biggest fight in history.
If you care so much about the sport, the integrity of it, and livelihood of fellow boxers, you won't go against your principles even though it may be a big pay off or the biggest fight in history.
Your getting into some moral and ethics issues I couldn't care less about. Fuck all that side shit Big Mouth Floyd talks and often gets himself in trouble with, hence the lawsuit. The negotiation detail that we the fight has been stalled because of is the testing. The dude doesn't want to take the WADA testing because he's squeamish of needles, worried about training or whatever the hell their talking about. Now I'm not saying hes juicing but that shit raises suspicion, but more importantly is the reason we are have not seen this fight.
Sure we can say Pac has agreed to 14 days or 7 days, but the fact is he hasn't agreed to WADA testing and whether or not you think Floyd is ducking... these are the facts.
Sure we can say Pac has agreed to 14 days or 7 days, but the fact is he hasn't agreed to WADA testing and whether or not you think Floyd is ducking... these are the facts.
We all know Mayweather's crusade to "clean up the sport" is a bunch of bullshit.
Someone please find any proof, of Floyd Mayweather...or anyone associated with him for that matter, mentioning anything about "cleaning up the sport" before the Pacquiao negotiations began.
His whole drive behind his "clean up the sport" campaign came from this idea that a particular fighter is so good, that he doesn't believe that it is humanly possible to be that good, without the aide of performance enhancing drugs.
Sounds like the ultimate compliment to me.
Someone please find any proof, of Floyd Mayweather...or anyone associated with him for that matter, mentioning anything about "cleaning up the sport" before the Pacquiao negotiations began.
His whole drive behind his "clean up the sport" campaign came from this idea that a particular fighter is so good, that he doesn't believe that it is humanly possible to be that good, without the aide of performance enhancing drugs.
Sounds like the ultimate compliment to me.
How am I getting into moral and ethical issues that you don't care about when you're over here parroting Floyd who obviously has made it a moral and ethical issue? Floyd was the one talking about "cleaning up the sport" and you're agreeing that Pac should take the test, so how is this not a moral or ethical issue?
Again, before Pacman Floyd NEVER came with such stipulations. In fact, he went 40 fights before he came with the madness and ONLY did so when Pacman was put in front of him. Floyd is making demands that the people who regulate pro boxing aren't even making so why should Pacman do it?
Why agree to something that some guy only came with as soon as your name was tossed in the hat? Why agree to something that the sanctioning bodies don't even view as a requirement?
It is illogical and highly bias to say "Look at Manny, he is suspect because he won't take the test" while remaining completely oblivious to the FACT that before Pacman Floyd NEVER made such stipulations and so far, has shown NO PROOF of Pacman being on PED's.
Again, before Pacman Floyd NEVER came with such stipulations. In fact, he went 40 fights before he came with the madness and ONLY did so when Pacman was put in front of him. Floyd is making demands that the people who regulate pro boxing aren't even making so why should Pacman do it?
Why agree to something that some guy only came with as soon as your name was tossed in the hat? Why agree to something that the sanctioning bodies don't even view as a requirement?
It is illogical and highly bias to say "Look at Manny, he is suspect because he won't take the test" while remaining completely oblivious to the FACT that before Pacman Floyd NEVER made such stipulations and so far, has shown NO PROOF of Pacman being on PED's.
I think the fact that pacquiao has agreed all the way up to 7 days speaks volumes though, that means they can take random and unlimited amounts of blood and urine during the 8 weeks of training camp, which is the most important time and immediately after the fight. People forget that the final 7-10 days of training camp is the cool down period, meaning there is no lifting weights, no heavy workouts...it's a matter of winding down camp and cooling down the body to prepare for the fight. If you want to catch a cheater the most important time is the beginning and middle of training camp, not the very end when training camp is over.
On top of this, pacquiao agreeing to unlimited, random drug testing with a 7 day cutoff is much, much more than what is required and what is the norm in boxing. Like Dana White said, Floyd Mayweather isn't boxing. he isn't the commissioner and he shouldn't dictate these types of terms. But regardless, if it must be in order to make this fight, I think this is MORE than fair on Pac's part to come this far and reach out to floyd.
I think most all of us can agree on this much. 7 days is beyond fair, especially when you consider Floyd originally wanted a 14 day cutoff.
Sure there are a couple people left (tony) who think it's floyds way or the highway, but reasonable people should see that what pacquiao is doing is more than reasonable.
We all want this fight to happen. But we have to realize that there is going to have to be give and take on both sides, it's not going to be 100% floyds way and it's not going to be 100% pac's way. They both have to be willing to meet in the middle in order to make it happen and until then, this fight is dead.
On top of this, pacquiao agreeing to unlimited, random drug testing with a 7 day cutoff is much, much more than what is required and what is the norm in boxing. Like Dana White said, Floyd Mayweather isn't boxing. he isn't the commissioner and he shouldn't dictate these types of terms. But regardless, if it must be in order to make this fight, I think this is MORE than fair on Pac's part to come this far and reach out to floyd.
I think most all of us can agree on this much. 7 days is beyond fair, especially when you consider Floyd originally wanted a 14 day cutoff.
Sure there are a couple people left (tony) who think it's floyds way or the highway, but reasonable people should see that what pacquiao is doing is more than reasonable.
We all want this fight to happen. But we have to realize that there is going to have to be give and take on both sides, it's not going to be 100% floyds way and it's not going to be 100% pac's way. They both have to be willing to meet in the middle in order to make it happen and until then, this fight is dead.
It wasn't, it was directed at MOREBASS and the KAH or whatever dudes name is.
I do want to note one thing though. You accuse the logic I use to be "dubious." Yet yours or Pacman's is no different. If you don't believe any modifications should be made to the testing Nevada has in place then don't attempt to compromise just like you say Floyd simply shouldn't fight him if he is trying to clean up the sport. If you are willing to compromise then do what is considered not only by Floyd but the world the best/fairest testing out there.
I do want to note one thing though. You accuse the logic I use to be "dubious." Yet yours or Pacman's is no different. If you don't believe any modifications should be made to the testing Nevada has in place then don't attempt to compromise just like you say Floyd simply shouldn't fight him if he is trying to clean up the sport. If you are willing to compromise then do what is considered not only by Floyd but the world the best/fairest testing out there.
@morebass, I agree Floyd is complimenting Pac. He believes he's good, just with the help of Ped's.
@206, cut the fuckin crap and quit pointing fingers. Pac should've taken the offer when it was on the got damn table during mediation. And it would be good to hear it out of Pac's own mouth about what he's willing to agree to so we can kill the speculation messenger.
@206, cut the fuckin crap and quit pointing fingers. Pac should've taken the offer when it was on the got damn table during mediation. And it would be good to hear it out of Pac's own mouth about what he's willing to agree to so we can kill the speculation messenger.
Well, looks like Floyd and Pac will not happen any time soon, floyd will be on the sidelines for quite some time....
Richard Schaefer of Golden Boy rules out Mayweather/Pacquiao by May 2011
MANILA, Philippines – Richard Schaefer, chief executive officer (CEO) of Golden Boy Promotions (GBP), defended unbeaten and outspoken boxer Floyd Mayweather Jr. amid claims that he’s ducking Filipino superstar Manny Pacquiao.
The GBP executive claimed in a blog by Ring Magazine’s Michael Rosenthal that Mayweather is currently preoccupied with his legal case, which involves his reported assault of his former girlfriend.
This, he said, puts Mayweather in no position to pursue a multi-million dollar super fight with current pound-for-pound champion Pacquiao.
“People should be smart enough to realize that he’s in the middle of legal proceedings. His focus and energy is on that, clearing his name, not on making a fight. That’s just common sense,” said Schaefer.
“Anything else would be disrespectful to a judge or the legal system… He could say, OK, let’s fight Pacquiao in May or whenever and make a deal. How would a judge feel about that? You just don’t do that,” he added.
GBP handles the promotion of Mayweather’s fights. It has tried to work out a deal with Bob Arum’s Top Rank promotions for a “Fight of the Century” with Pacquiao.
However, efforts to make the deal fell through after Mayweather demanded an Olympic-style drug testing, which is unusual in professional boxing.
Pacquiao eventually agreed to blood testing during the second round of talks, but Mayweather’s camp had denied there were negotiations.
Losing the ‘0’
Schaefer also branded as “silly” the claims made by several people in the boxing community that the undefeated Mayweather is simply afraid of getting beaten, especially by Pacquiao.
“These comments that he wants to protect his ‘0’ [loss] are silly,” Schaefer said. “He fought [Oscar] dela Hoya when he was still in his prime. He fought Shane Mosley when everyone thought it would be a hard fight. He fought [Juan Manuel] Marquez.
“And, no, he hasn’t just fought small guys. Dela Hoya and Mosley were both bigger than he was. The fact is, he hasn’t ducked anyone,” claimed Schaefer.
The GBP executive said Mayweather will eventually come out and fight.
He claims that “Pretty Boy Floyd” is just waiting for the right time.
"I can assure you," said Schaefer, "that when the time is right, he'll fight Pacquiao and beat Pacquiao."
Pacquiao, who has overtaken Mayweather in the pound-for-pound ranking, recently defeated "Tijuana Tornado" Antonio Margarito for his 8th world title, the World Boxing Council (WBC) super welterweight crown.
The Filipino champion won despite giving away the size and reach advantage to the heftier Mexican boxer.
Richard Schaefer of Golden Boy rules out Mayweather/Pacquiao by May 2011
MANILA, Philippines – Richard Schaefer, chief executive officer (CEO) of Golden Boy Promotions (GBP), defended unbeaten and outspoken boxer Floyd Mayweather Jr. amid claims that he’s ducking Filipino superstar Manny Pacquiao.
The GBP executive claimed in a blog by Ring Magazine’s Michael Rosenthal that Mayweather is currently preoccupied with his legal case, which involves his reported assault of his former girlfriend.
This, he said, puts Mayweather in no position to pursue a multi-million dollar super fight with current pound-for-pound champion Pacquiao.
“People should be smart enough to realize that he’s in the middle of legal proceedings. His focus and energy is on that, clearing his name, not on making a fight. That’s just common sense,” said Schaefer.
“Anything else would be disrespectful to a judge or the legal system… He could say, OK, let’s fight Pacquiao in May or whenever and make a deal. How would a judge feel about that? You just don’t do that,” he added.
GBP handles the promotion of Mayweather’s fights. It has tried to work out a deal with Bob Arum’s Top Rank promotions for a “Fight of the Century” with Pacquiao.
However, efforts to make the deal fell through after Mayweather demanded an Olympic-style drug testing, which is unusual in professional boxing.
Pacquiao eventually agreed to blood testing during the second round of talks, but Mayweather’s camp had denied there were negotiations.
Losing the ‘0’
Schaefer also branded as “silly” the claims made by several people in the boxing community that the undefeated Mayweather is simply afraid of getting beaten, especially by Pacquiao.
“These comments that he wants to protect his ‘0’ [loss] are silly,” Schaefer said. “He fought [Oscar] dela Hoya when he was still in his prime. He fought Shane Mosley when everyone thought it would be a hard fight. He fought [Juan Manuel] Marquez.
“And, no, he hasn’t just fought small guys. Dela Hoya and Mosley were both bigger than he was. The fact is, he hasn’t ducked anyone,” claimed Schaefer.
The GBP executive said Mayweather will eventually come out and fight.
He claims that “Pretty Boy Floyd” is just waiting for the right time.
"I can assure you," said Schaefer, "that when the time is right, he'll fight Pacquiao and beat Pacquiao."
Pacquiao, who has overtaken Mayweather in the pound-for-pound ranking, recently defeated "Tijuana Tornado" Antonio Margarito for his 8th world title, the World Boxing Council (WBC) super welterweight crown.
The Filipino champion won despite giving away the size and reach advantage to the heftier Mexican boxer.