Mayweather vs. Pacquiao, will it happen?
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This is very strange response man, there was absolutely zero demand for a rematch at the time. Hopkins won four rounds at best, he was not a known name at all, it was an undercard fight and again, no one knew Hopkins would amount to anything. He was just an opponent at the time, a contender. There was zero public demand for a rematch, I repeat, zero demand. It wasn't until Hopkins won his first title, two years later, and many more fights after that of him dominating, did people start to want to see a rematch. Really it was after Hopkins beat Trinidad. Back in 1993? No one cared. In 2001 they cared.
My issue with a Khan vs Pacquiao fight, is if Pacquiao knocks him out, people will just say that Khan never fought anyone at 147, already had a glass jaw, and Pacquiao would get no credit.
If Floyd beats him, they'll basically say the same thing, and that Khan only moves in and out, and wasn't ever as good as Floyd, he was just fast with a glass jaw.
Floyd vs Pacquiao is the fight I want to see. If that doesn't happen, I'd love to see a Pacquiao fight vs. Broner or Garcia or something at least. Doesn't seem possible though since they are Haymon fighters.
Side note, what the hell is going on with Robert Guerrero? he should be fighting SOMEONE at 147
If Floyd beats him, they'll basically say the same thing, and that Khan only moves in and out, and wasn't ever as good as Floyd, he was just fast with a glass jaw.
Floyd vs Pacquiao is the fight I want to see. If that doesn't happen, I'd love to see a Pacquiao fight vs. Broner or Garcia or something at least. Doesn't seem possible though since they are Haymon fighters.
Side note, what the hell is going on with Robert Guerrero? he should be fighting SOMEONE at 147
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Yeah that's kind of the problem with Khan is that neither would get much credit over him because they are both supposed to be able to beat him. He does have pretty good credentials at 147 now that he beat Devon Alexander, who is not an easy opponent for anyone really, but somehow he was for Khan.
There isn't really anyone left at 147 to fight. There's Keith Thurman and Kell Brook. That's pretty much it other than guys Floyd and Pac have already fought (Bradley, Maidana, etc.).
This is why it's so important Floyd vs Pacquiao happens now. There's shit fights left for both. Khan is decent but that's it. Realistically Thurman or Brook aren't going to get a shot yet, haven't done enough. Pac would be truly screwed, who the fuck can he even fight, Jessie Vargas?
There isn't really anyone left at 147 to fight. There's Keith Thurman and Kell Brook. That's pretty much it other than guys Floyd and Pac have already fought (Bradley, Maidana, etc.).
This is why it's so important Floyd vs Pacquiao happens now. There's shit fights left for both. Khan is decent but that's it. Realistically Thurman or Brook aren't going to get a shot yet, haven't done enough. Pac would be truly screwed, who the fuck can he even fight, Jessie Vargas?
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Do people really make the argument that Hopkins beat RJJ the first time around? Up until Kovalev that was the cleanest Hopkins had ever been beaten.
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I've never seen anyone say so. Hopkins himself said he lost, due to him being a green fighter.
That's why I don't understand HERSEYS point here - there simply never was any type of demand, or even a reason for an immediate rematch. Like I said Hopkins was just a fighter back in 1993, he wasn't known at all. Just another contender. Hopkins wasnt even a full time fighter, he worked a day job at a garage fixing cars. Jones was the Olympic medalist, already a Star. No one had any clue that Hopkins would turn out to become a legend years later.
That's why I don't understand HERSEYS point here - there simply never was any type of demand, or even a reason for an immediate rematch. Like I said Hopkins was just a fighter back in 1993, he wasn't known at all. Just another contender. Hopkins wasnt even a full time fighter, he worked a day job at a garage fixing cars. Jones was the Olympic medalist, already a Star. No one had any clue that Hopkins would turn out to become a legend years later.
Porter beat Alexander then looked pedestrian against Brook. Alexander's best wins were Maidana and Matthysse before they got better. Matthysse might not really even be that good in the grand scheme of things after all is said and done. He knocks out mediocre fighters and gets outboxed by any good fighter. Basically, I think Alexander sucks. Khan did what he was supposed to do against him.
I wasn't saying they were the only 2 to ever beat him convincingly, just felt Roy had the most dominant win over Hopkins up until then. Maybe not by much over Dawson's, just the way I had it.
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I've seen a shitload of people talk about and some even said he was ducking BHOP.
There was a demand. Again, there were people who thought the fight was close enough to do a rematch. I'm not saying there was an overwhelming majority but there was interest. And the main point is negotiations broke down because Jones was greedy and Hopkins had the right to demand 50-50 if he moved up. The point is, people were calling for a rematch BEFORE they did the rematch when it DIDN'T MATTER. Guess what? Years later Floyd and Pac still matters, if it didn't, you wouldn't have a $200 million dollar fight on the line. And if they had fought earlier, it wouldn't be an issue if Floyd won because people still pay to see Floyd fight. How is the guy "boring" when Ward does the same thing? He does what he does, he pulls away with wins and he makes money.
Roy Jones is in no position to speak about Floyd because he did NOT do the Hopkins rematch when it mattered.
There was a demand. Again, there were people who thought the fight was close enough to do a rematch. I'm not saying there was an overwhelming majority but there was interest. And the main point is negotiations broke down because Jones was greedy and Hopkins had the right to demand 50-50 if he moved up. The point is, people were calling for a rematch BEFORE they did the rematch when it DIDN'T MATTER. Guess what? Years later Floyd and Pac still matters, if it didn't, you wouldn't have a $200 million dollar fight on the line. And if they had fought earlier, it wouldn't be an issue if Floyd won because people still pay to see Floyd fight. How is the guy "boring" when Ward does the same thing? He does what he does, he pulls away with wins and he makes money.
Roy Jones is in no position to speak about Floyd because he did NOT do the Hopkins rematch when it mattered.
The Taylor fights were very controversial. Same goes for Calzaghe. Every time Hopkins fights whoever is commentating always mentions those fights were controversial and could have gone in Hopkins favor. Regardless of how you scored any of those three fights they still weren't clean wins, because they were split decision and debatable. Only Roy, up to that point, had ever beat Hopkins clean (no debate, no controversy, was not extremely close, etc).
No one said Hopkins won. Not even Hopkins.
Not in 1993!!! There was literally no talk of a rematch in 1993. The debates and talk of a rematch came AFTER Hopkins established himself and won his first title a couple years later. By then Jones moved up in weight. When it was serious was when Hopkins beat Trinidad in 2001. Jones was two weight classes above. Not similar to Pac May who are in the same damn weight class. Jones had been at 175 since 1996.
Not in 1993!!! There was literally no talk of a rematch in 1993. The debates and talk of a rematch came AFTER Hopkins established himself and won his first title a couple years later. By then Jones moved up in weight. When it was serious was when Hopkins beat Trinidad in 2001. Jones was two weight classes above. Not similar to Pac May who are in the same damn weight class. Jones had been at 175 since 1996.
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As far as Roy, I don't remember anyone saying that Roy was ducking him until later on when BHop was obviously one of the best in boxing and wanted that rematch, which prompted this interview with both of them
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Just like no one said Bradley won against Pac right? Again, was it an overwhelming majority? Hell no, maybe like one or two strays, but the point is it was said. And fuck what Hopkins said. He's a hypocrite anyway. Shit he thought he did enough to win the Kovalev fight.
See above.
And again, you are missing the MAIN point. When Hopkins was calling out Jones AFTER he established himself Jones avoided. When Hopkins LOST to Calzaghe, Jones said, "Bernard Hopkins can talk about whoever he’s going to fight next. I couldn’t care less. I already beat Bernard Hopkins, so why would I want to fight him again? He can do all he wants to try and tie himself to my career, but I’m not tied to his.” but then what happened when Jones fought Calzaghe?
So fuck all this other shit. Did Jones fight Hopkins when it mattered? No. How can you tell? Shit for one it was years later AND it was on an undercard. You think Pac and Floyd are fighting on anyones undercard? Good luck.
Jones is in no position to talk. Stop defending this nigga, 206.
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And again, you are missing the MAIN point. When Hopkins was calling out Jones AFTER he established himself Jones avoided. When Hopkins LOST to Calzaghe, Jones said, "Bernard Hopkins can talk about whoever he’s going to fight next. I couldn’t care less. I already beat Bernard Hopkins, so why would I want to fight him again? He can do all he wants to try and tie himself to my career, but I’m not tied to his.” but then what happened when Jones fought Calzaghe?
So fuck all this other shit. Did Jones fight Hopkins when it mattered? No. How can you tell? Shit for one it was years later AND it was on an undercard. You think Pac and Floyd are fighting on anyones undercard? Good luck.
Jones is in no position to talk. Stop defending this nigga, 206.
Lol damn you're reaching bringing up Bradley! Bradley won the decision via robbery, there was controversy. Obviously in 1993 there was no controversy, Jones won clearly and there was zero talk of a rematch. None.
Bro, who cares about their talk when they were in their 40s. You were saying why Jones never rematched him immediately, I explained why. In 2001 Jones offered Hopkins a 60/40 split, Hopkins said he would only move UP TWO WEIGHT CLASSES for 50/50. Again, they weren't in the same weight class. Not untill Hopkins was in his 40s.
Bro, who cares about their talk when they were in their 40s. You were saying why Jones never rematched him immediately, I explained why. In 2001 Jones offered Hopkins a 60/40 split, Hopkins said he would only move UP TWO WEIGHT CLASSES for 50/50. Again, they weren't in the same weight class. Not untill Hopkins was in his 40s.
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