Mayweather Vs Din Thomas?
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checkout this link: It's joe rogan debating about mma and boxing on sportcenter:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x22vcz_joe-rogan-on-sportscenter
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x22vcz_joe-rogan-on-sportscenter
MMA lacks skill imo because they have to focus on so many aspects of fighting. If you notice, most of those guys are only good at one technique(Militage camp, JuJitsu, Wrestling, striker, etc.); the fact that they also have to concentrate on other aspects of fighting dilutes their strong points and really diminishes it to improvised street fighting. Boxing is boxing, a science that has been around since and before the very first Olympics in Athens, Ancient Greece. UFC fights never last more than 5 minutes and the only reason it is entertaining is for the shock value, but it will never be as much of a developed science/art as boxing is..
Let em know mane!!! And the idiot that says boxin is less skilled than thge MMa has smoked a bad sack of sherm!!! Learn about these sports beforer u open your piehole!! Boixin is way more skilled, and more endurance needed, focus, stamina etc.. That street fight shit whish is 1-5 minutes long aint nuthin but brut!! I mean if u like thats all good but it cant fuck with boxin on a skillorganizzed level!! Bookit!! Got Em!!!
You have obviously not been exposed to enough MMA if you believe that. Another problem is you are aware of the science of boxing because you study it watching it over the years, but the same goes for MMA. Each individual skill set in MMA is extremely deep. Muay Thai for example has A LOT of the same sciences of boxing when working the hands but also incorporates elbow strikes (from various angles) knees (also from various angles, and ranges) Variaty of kicks (thigh inside or out, ribs, neck/jaw, straight AKA teep kick). The list goes on. BJJ is just as deep with all the various sub set ups and different submissions varying by body possition.
Here's a good example of a fight that incorporates almost everything available to use in MMA and shows how deeply skilled and well rounded these fighters are. This is the type of shit your going to see more of as the years go on and fighters are starting out at an early age training MMA and not wrestling then trying to quickly learn how to strike so that they can compete in MMA.
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevanc...do/video/xkxk1_joachim-hansen-vs-luiz-azeredo
^thats MMA at its finest
For people who go around calling this shit a street fight you need to get yourself educated in martial arts that have been around for hundreds to thousands of years. In order to compete you have to have understanding of Muay Thai, BOXING, Tae Kwon Do, Wrestling, Judo, Ground and Pound (for lack of a better description), and Brazillian Jui-Jitsu. If you think any street fighter can just jump into the ring/cage and hang with guys who have years of experience in these various arts you are a fucking idiot. Boxing as a sport= limits what is capable of a person in a fight. MMA= the closest thing to real combat that is still safe (safer in boxing) and doesn't favor one aspect of fighting to another.
Here's a good example of a fight that incorporates almost everything available to use in MMA and shows how deeply skilled and well rounded these fighters are. This is the type of shit your going to see more of as the years go on and fighters are starting out at an early age training MMA and not wrestling then trying to quickly learn how to strike so that they can compete in MMA.
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevanc...do/video/xkxk1_joachim-hansen-vs-luiz-azeredo
^thats MMA at its finest
For people who go around calling this shit a street fight you need to get yourself educated in martial arts that have been around for hundreds to thousands of years. In order to compete you have to have understanding of Muay Thai, BOXING, Tae Kwon Do, Wrestling, Judo, Ground and Pound (for lack of a better description), and Brazillian Jui-Jitsu. If you think any street fighter can just jump into the ring/cage and hang with guys who have years of experience in these various arts you are a fucking idiot. Boxing as a sport= limits what is capable of a person in a fight. MMA= the closest thing to real combat that is still safe (safer in boxing) and doesn't favor one aspect of fighting to another.
I agree with most of what Snubnose said, except for MMA being safer than boxing. That, I totally disagree with. And the argument that there has not been an MMA related death, in the US, means very little. As there are 20 boxing matches for every 1 MMA fight there is in the US. Also, boxing has been around for much longer, while MMA as a sport is only a few years old.
First of all MMA isn't limited to the US, it is a WORLDWIDE sport and has been for 10 years (not a couple). Not only has there never been an MMA related death in the US, there has never been a death ANYWHERE in the world. The reason why MMA is safer, is because of its versitality and its rules. In boxing, you repeadly punch eachother in the head to try and knock your opponent out (and body aswell). When someone in Boxing gets knocked down, they are given time to somewhat regain their composure so that they can go back in and get pounded even more in their head. In MMA, when you are knocked down, you can either scramble to defend and pull your opponent into your gaurd (and even submit and defeat your opponent) or your gonna eat a few shots and have the ref run in and stop the fight. You can even argue that MMA is safer than the NFL for that matter...
Din Thomas is a foo haha, I saw that shit at the end of his fight. But you really can't compare the two sports. MMA still ain't established yet in America, it's still in gaining it's popularity, while boxing has been around for ages. Obviously a boxer will school an MMA fighter in a boxing ring, but in the Octagon, the MMA cat will school the boxer. It's 2 different environments so you really can't compare the two.
Too many people make the argument that in boxing, you are repeatedly getting punched in the head. Which is true to an extent, but the amount of flush clean shots a pro boxer is going to take to the dome, is very limited. They are so good at slipping, dodging, and blocking, that its very rare that they get hit flush with a clean shot.
Also, not all boxing matches end in knockouts, the same way most MMA matches don't. As a matter of fact, most boxing matches end up going to the scorecards, especially in the lighter weight divisions.
In MMA, you can get knocked down, and while you're dazed and confused on the floor, your opponent will rush over and either kick, punch, or elbow you in the head repeatedly. Just like the Chuck - Rampage fight. A knockdown punch in MMA doesn't always cause a ref to stop a fight, like it does in boxing. Usually, it'll take that 4 or 5 extra blows, and the fighter going limp in order for him to step in. In boxing, as soon as a fighter hits the canvas with any part of his body that isn't his feet, the ref will send the other fighter to his corner, and figure out whether the fighter is able to continue.
That alone is more dangerous than just about any blow you'll ever see in boxing.
Like I said, you really can't argue that MMA is safer than boxing, especially since most boxing head related injuries don't start showing up until years after the fighter retires. MMA hasn't been around long enough to show any of these long term effects.
But really tho, think about it.
If safety was your biggest concern.
Would you feel safer getting into a ring where you used 12oz gloves, and were only allowed to use hands, and hit from the waist up...?
Or
Would you feel safer getting into an octagon, wearing 4oz gloves, where elbows, knees, kicks, chokes, and slams are permitted...?
I'm in no way bashing, or saying that boxing is superior, because I'm a fan of both, I'm just stating the obvious.
The only thing I hate about the boxing/mma arguement is that people assume that the boxer will do no mma training at all. They also assume that said boxer should go straight to the top instead of working his way up.
When a top submission grappling/bjj fighter (ie Jacare) they fight in smaller show against lesser known competition. For some reason though people rave about them as soon as they go into mma not knowing if these guys have trained in any aspect of stand up. The same rule should apply to boxers. To say think someone like Cintron/Mayweather (I do think Cintron would make the better transition to mma) will get into mma without doing any kind of sprawl/ground training is insane.
P.S. .. This boxing/mma arguement is getting tired and played out. They are both real good sports and its annoying as hell watching fans that don't watch the other speak on shit they don't know about. I wish a reputable boxer would just fight wherever and win or lose so this can end.
EDIT: Props to Snubnoze/Morebass for the intelligent conversation on this arguement .. shits rare as hell.
When a top submission grappling/bjj fighter (ie Jacare) they fight in smaller show against lesser known competition. For some reason though people rave about them as soon as they go into mma not knowing if these guys have trained in any aspect of stand up. The same rule should apply to boxers. To say think someone like Cintron/Mayweather (I do think Cintron would make the better transition to mma) will get into mma without doing any kind of sprawl/ground training is insane.
P.S. .. This boxing/mma arguement is getting tired and played out. They are both real good sports and its annoying as hell watching fans that don't watch the other speak on shit they don't know about. I wish a reputable boxer would just fight wherever and win or lose so this can end.
EDIT: Props to Snubnoze/Morebass for the intelligent conversation on this arguement .. shits rare as hell.