Mayweather V. Ortiz
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Castillo was much more technically sound than Ortiz. Castillo also you A LOT of head movement when he would work his way inside (dipped his head down low and bobbed side to side), something ortiz doesn't do. In addition he worked the body very well and he had a fantastic chin at that time. He also had 50 fights going into the floyd fight and had been in the ring with better opponents.
If you re-watch the Berto fight, Ortiz lunges in with shots from the outside, that's basically how he gets his shots off and to get inside. that, IMO, spells absolute disaster against a technician like floyd. You can't lunge in against Floyd or you'll get Ricky Hatton'd. You need to either work your way in with a STRONG jab (not a lazy, half-assed jab like mosley used) or do what castillo did and bob and weave that head around unpredictably. Ortiz does neither.
That's why I'm not betting on him! Too inexperienced and doesn't have the right skill sets to beat floyd (strong jab to get inside, head movement). Lamont Peterson was giving Ortiz some problems too and I use that as an indicator. What the mid-late rounds of that fight and watch how easily at times he was able to counter ortiz and set traps.
If you re-watch the Berto fight, Ortiz lunges in with shots from the outside, that's basically how he gets his shots off and to get inside. that, IMO, spells absolute disaster against a technician like floyd. You can't lunge in against Floyd or you'll get Ricky Hatton'd. You need to either work your way in with a STRONG jab (not a lazy, half-assed jab like mosley used) or do what castillo did and bob and weave that head around unpredictably. Ortiz does neither.
That's why I'm not betting on him! Too inexperienced and doesn't have the right skill sets to beat floyd (strong jab to get inside, head movement). Lamont Peterson was giving Ortiz some problems too and I use that as an indicator. What the mid-late rounds of that fight and watch how easily at times he was able to counter ortiz and set traps.
Even though Chop Chop and Zab lost to Floyd, they exposed the flaws in his defensive style. I also think Chop Chop hurt him the most and landed the cleaner shots out of anyone who has faced Floyd. But Ortiz doesn't have the skillset to beat Floyd. He isn't going to work his way in like 206 suggested, he isn't going to go to the body (which people rarely do against Floyd) and he doesn't have the skills to hit Floyd at various angles. This guy is going to be dismantled.
basically all that needs to be said. Its to funny that all of a sudden Ortiz is considered so good all of a sudden again. He should have fought Maidana cuz that is a winnable fight for him. Maidana doesn't have a jab and he could have avenged his only loss. Now his stock will go way down when Floyd is through with him
damn with those odds how can u not put money on ortiz?! after all this is boxing anything can happen floyds been off for a long time ortiz is coming off the biggest win of his career he's on fire right now and if old ass twitchy shane was able to catch mayweather twice and almost ko him then why can't ortiz do the same? I'm dropping $500 on ortiz and going to brazil with my winnings lol
Great news, looks like Mayweather-Ortiz will get some great coverage with possibly 24/7 episodes shown on TBS. This all goes back to Bob Arum and Showtime getting Pac-Mosley on CBS. Turns out the switch to Showtime was great for competition. HBO will do the same with Time Warner. Slowly but surely all of this could lead to getting Boxing on prime time TV soon.
Mayweather vs Ortiz "Star Power" to Get TBS, TNT Coverage
Floyd Mayweather Jr. and welterweight titleholder Victor Ortiz will fight under the banner of HBO PPV in their Sept. 17 showdown after Golden Boy promoter Richard Schaefer and network executives reached an agreement Wednesday.
"We have finalized our deal with HBO. We obviously had very intense negotiations," Schaefer told ESPN.com. "What we wanted to do is ensure that all the different Time Warner (HBO's parent company) assets will be in play one way or the other, including the Turner Broadcasting assets and the Time Inc. assets, which is their magazines."
It is a significant development for HBO, which was rocked earlier this year by the loss of pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao when Top Rank promoter Bob Arum took Pacquiao's May 7 fight against Shane Mosley to rival Showtime, which handled the pay-per-view production and distribution.
Did that help Schaefer make a favorable deal?
"I'm sure it didn't hurt," he said. "Do I think HBO was especially motivated to get the biggest and widest exposure? Sure. HBO is very motivated, and Time Warner is very motivated to show the boxing world and public what they can do. I was negotiating with very willing partners."
Arum's motivation to go to Showtime was the promise that its sister network, CBS, would be heavily involved in the marketing and promotion of the event. His goal was to give the fight -- which wound up doing about 1.3 million buys -- the widest possible exposure. Arum had been unsuccessful in getting HBO to get its sister networks, such as TNT, TBS and CNN, involved.
Time Warner also controls print and online publications such as Sports Illustrated, People and Entertainment Weekly.
Golden Boy followed Top Rank's lead in its negotiations with HBO, which was desperate to retain Mayweather, who has fought all of his major fights on HBO or HBO PPV, especially after losing Pacquiao.
"We wanted to make sure all other assets that HBO has available will be fully utilized to support this fight and give it the widest possible exposure," Schaefer said. "I am very happy that HBO Sports and HBO senior management were very open and that we had productive conversations, which fell on open ears. HBO seems very motivated and excited to show the world what they can do utilizing their vast array of assets."
One concrete example of how the fight will gain wider exposure than just on HBO: The reality series "24/7," which follows the buildup of major HBO PPV fights, will be replayed on one of the Turner networks, Schaefer said. The most likely would be TNT, TBS or truTV.
Schaefer said he did engage Showtime, which was interested in Mayweather-Ortiz.
"We had conversations with them," Schaefer said. "We explored alternatives with Showtime, but we did not go that far."
Schaefer also revealed the title of the fight: "Star Power."
"Mayweather is the biggest star, and Victor Ortiz is one of the most powerful guys in the sport. He knocks everybody down," Schaefer said. "You have a star fighting a guy with great power. You have a guy in Mayweather who attracts star power. You go to a Mayweather fight and it's a who's who showing up. It's 'Star Power.'"
Schaefer, who promotes Ortiz and has worked with Mayweather on his last four fights, all pay-per-view smashes, said Mayweather was personally involved in the deal.
"Floyd was very much involved as it relates to the marketing strategy. He came with very specific ideas and requests as it relates to what he wanted to see," Schaefer said.
The two-city national media tour for the fight kicks off Tuesday in New York followed by a stop in Los Angeles on Wednesday. The venue for the fight is not set yet, although Schaefer said that would be wrapped up "hopefully in 24 hours." Las Vegas' MGM Grand, where Mayweather has fought his last four bouts, is the likely host, Schaefer said.
Schaefer said he is still working to finalize the card, which could be a split-site pay-per-view. He hopes to have Mexican sensation Saul "Canelo" Alvarez make his second junior middleweight title defense from a different venue -- in Mexico or in the United States.
Alvarez's addition to the card would make a major impact. He is Mexico's most popular active fighter, and the card falls on the weekend of Mexican Independence Day, a traditional weekend for a fight involving a Mexican star.
Schaefer also said he hoped to add junior welterweight Erik Morales, the former three-division champion and Mexican legend, to the Mayweather-Ortiz portion of the card.
"If we can get Canelo and Morales both on the pay-per-view, I think the sky's the limit of what we can do in pay-per-view," Schaefer said. "That would make it an even bigger event for the fans."
Mayweather vs Ortiz "Star Power" to Get TBS, TNT Coverage
Floyd Mayweather Jr. and welterweight titleholder Victor Ortiz will fight under the banner of HBO PPV in their Sept. 17 showdown after Golden Boy promoter Richard Schaefer and network executives reached an agreement Wednesday.
"We have finalized our deal with HBO. We obviously had very intense negotiations," Schaefer told ESPN.com. "What we wanted to do is ensure that all the different Time Warner (HBO's parent company) assets will be in play one way or the other, including the Turner Broadcasting assets and the Time Inc. assets, which is their magazines."
It is a significant development for HBO, which was rocked earlier this year by the loss of pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao when Top Rank promoter Bob Arum took Pacquiao's May 7 fight against Shane Mosley to rival Showtime, which handled the pay-per-view production and distribution.
Did that help Schaefer make a favorable deal?
"I'm sure it didn't hurt," he said. "Do I think HBO was especially motivated to get the biggest and widest exposure? Sure. HBO is very motivated, and Time Warner is very motivated to show the boxing world and public what they can do. I was negotiating with very willing partners."
Arum's motivation to go to Showtime was the promise that its sister network, CBS, would be heavily involved in the marketing and promotion of the event. His goal was to give the fight -- which wound up doing about 1.3 million buys -- the widest possible exposure. Arum had been unsuccessful in getting HBO to get its sister networks, such as TNT, TBS and CNN, involved.
Time Warner also controls print and online publications such as Sports Illustrated, People and Entertainment Weekly.
Golden Boy followed Top Rank's lead in its negotiations with HBO, which was desperate to retain Mayweather, who has fought all of his major fights on HBO or HBO PPV, especially after losing Pacquiao.
"We wanted to make sure all other assets that HBO has available will be fully utilized to support this fight and give it the widest possible exposure," Schaefer said. "I am very happy that HBO Sports and HBO senior management were very open and that we had productive conversations, which fell on open ears. HBO seems very motivated and excited to show the world what they can do utilizing their vast array of assets."
One concrete example of how the fight will gain wider exposure than just on HBO: The reality series "24/7," which follows the buildup of major HBO PPV fights, will be replayed on one of the Turner networks, Schaefer said. The most likely would be TNT, TBS or truTV.
Schaefer said he did engage Showtime, which was interested in Mayweather-Ortiz.
"We had conversations with them," Schaefer said. "We explored alternatives with Showtime, but we did not go that far."
Schaefer also revealed the title of the fight: "Star Power."
"Mayweather is the biggest star, and Victor Ortiz is one of the most powerful guys in the sport. He knocks everybody down," Schaefer said. "You have a star fighting a guy with great power. You have a guy in Mayweather who attracts star power. You go to a Mayweather fight and it's a who's who showing up. It's 'Star Power.'"
Schaefer, who promotes Ortiz and has worked with Mayweather on his last four fights, all pay-per-view smashes, said Mayweather was personally involved in the deal.
"Floyd was very much involved as it relates to the marketing strategy. He came with very specific ideas and requests as it relates to what he wanted to see," Schaefer said.
The two-city national media tour for the fight kicks off Tuesday in New York followed by a stop in Los Angeles on Wednesday. The venue for the fight is not set yet, although Schaefer said that would be wrapped up "hopefully in 24 hours." Las Vegas' MGM Grand, where Mayweather has fought his last four bouts, is the likely host, Schaefer said.
Schaefer said he is still working to finalize the card, which could be a split-site pay-per-view. He hopes to have Mexican sensation Saul "Canelo" Alvarez make his second junior middleweight title defense from a different venue -- in Mexico or in the United States.
Alvarez's addition to the card would make a major impact. He is Mexico's most popular active fighter, and the card falls on the weekend of Mexican Independence Day, a traditional weekend for a fight involving a Mexican star.
Schaefer also said he hoped to add junior welterweight Erik Morales, the former three-division champion and Mexican legend, to the Mayweather-Ortiz portion of the card.
"If we can get Canelo and Morales both on the pay-per-view, I think the sky's the limit of what we can do in pay-per-view," Schaefer said. "That would make it an even bigger event for the fans."
they are trying to load up with Mexican's - Ortiz, Canelo, Eric Morales... yeah.
I don't know if Canelo will do it, recently he said in an interview he doesn't want to be on a mayweather undercard, but we'll see. Would be good for him lot's of exposure. I reckon it would increase the PPV buys a bit too.
I don't know if Canelo will do it, recently he said in an interview he doesn't want to be on a mayweather undercard, but we'll see. Would be good for him lot's of exposure. I reckon it would increase the PPV buys a bit too.
Another day another court case....
Mayweather Jr. Sued For Yet Another Alleged Assault
By Chris LaBate
The legal troubles continue to pile up for Floyd Mayweather Jr., who returns to boxing on September 17th against WBC welterweight champion Victor Ortiz at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. Mayweather is already facing two criminal court cases that involve assault allegations. One case involves the mother of his children, and the other is separate case where a secuirty guard claims the fighter poked him in the face. Last month, a civil suit was filed on behalf of nightclub bouncer Clay Gerling, with allegations that Mayweather's bodyguards attacked and injured him at Drai’s Nightclub on the Las Vegas Strip.
The hits keep coming.
According to the Las Vegas Sun, the attorneys for Anthony R. Cliff, who lives in Clark County, filed a lawsuit last Friday in Las Vegas against Mayweather, his company Mayweather Promotions LLC and the Palms Resort and Casino.
The legal documents allege that Cliff tried to take Mayweather’s photo and made some comments about a potential fight. Mayweather replied that Cliff was disrespecting him and gave the thumbs-down sign to his bodyguards. The legal suit claims that was a "signal for the bodyguards to attack Cliff, which they then did, striking Cliff in the face, knocking, pulling or pushing Cliff to the ground."
The incident is alleged to have happened on March 27, 2010, in the valet parking area of the Palms, who are being sued as a co-defendant for negligence and having inadequate security.
Mayweather Jr. Sued For Yet Another Alleged Assault
By Chris LaBate
The legal troubles continue to pile up for Floyd Mayweather Jr., who returns to boxing on September 17th against WBC welterweight champion Victor Ortiz at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. Mayweather is already facing two criminal court cases that involve assault allegations. One case involves the mother of his children, and the other is separate case where a secuirty guard claims the fighter poked him in the face. Last month, a civil suit was filed on behalf of nightclub bouncer Clay Gerling, with allegations that Mayweather's bodyguards attacked and injured him at Drai’s Nightclub on the Las Vegas Strip.
The hits keep coming.
According to the Las Vegas Sun, the attorneys for Anthony R. Cliff, who lives in Clark County, filed a lawsuit last Friday in Las Vegas against Mayweather, his company Mayweather Promotions LLC and the Palms Resort and Casino.
The legal documents allege that Cliff tried to take Mayweather’s photo and made some comments about a potential fight. Mayweather replied that Cliff was disrespecting him and gave the thumbs-down sign to his bodyguards. The legal suit claims that was a "signal for the bodyguards to attack Cliff, which they then did, striking Cliff in the face, knocking, pulling or pushing Cliff to the ground."
The incident is alleged to have happened on March 27, 2010, in the valet parking area of the Palms, who are being sued as a co-defendant for negligence and having inadequate security.