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From... http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/2009/10/09/Mont-Vernon-suspect-reported/1255131945.html
(NECN: Brad Puffer) - It has been nearly a week since the murder of a New Hampshire mother and an attack that nearly killed her daughter.
Four teenagers were placed into custody, and the search for answers in this allegedly random crime has led to the suspects' taste in music.
The lyrics are violent and disturbing. They include repeated graphic descriptions of brutal murder. A type of hip-hop music called horrorcore.
"It's brutal, it's violent but it is also entertainment. At least it is supposed to be," The Boston Phoenix music critic Chris Faraone.
Now that genre of music is being connected to two killings in the past month.
First, 20-year-old horrorcore rapper allegedly killed a family of four in Virginia, after attending a music festival there. And Steven Spader, one of the teenagers accused of killing a New Hampshire mother with machete, is also reportedly a fan of horrorcore music, and the band Insane Clown Posse.
"If you are that kind of aggressive kid I don't think you are going to be listening to indie pop, so of course it fits," Faraone said.
Chris Faraone is a hip-hop music critic for the Boston Phoenix. He said this type of music is much more popular than many might think.
"People have no idea how big this is," Faraone said. "Insane Clown Posse are millionaires many times over."
But many experts
we spoke with say horrorcore, movies or violent video games alone should not be blamed for the brutal murder in New Hampshire.
"Sure there are some studies that show violent lyrics can make people feel hostile, but feeling hostile is a far cry from murdering people," Northeastern University professor James Fox said.
Criminologist James Fox said while music itself should not be blamed, it can reinforce violent tendencies.
"This is not harmless, it does impact people's attitudes, thoughts and emotions," Fox said.
And with the internet, the most violent of music and video can be found online, downloaded and listened to without anyone else hearing, leaving some parents unaware of what those lyrics are really all about.
"They don't the names of the bands, they don't know anything about the music and they are not hearing about the music," Fox said.
It's just one more insight into the world of four teenagers now accused in this random attack. But despite all the insights, there are still many questions left unanswered.
(NECN: Brad Puffer) - It has been nearly a week since the murder of a New Hampshire mother and an attack that nearly killed her daughter.
Four teenagers were placed into custody, and the search for answers in this allegedly random crime has led to the suspects' taste in music.
The lyrics are violent and disturbing. They include repeated graphic descriptions of brutal murder. A type of hip-hop music called horrorcore.
"It's brutal, it's violent but it is also entertainment. At least it is supposed to be," The Boston Phoenix music critic Chris Faraone.
Now that genre of music is being connected to two killings in the past month.
First, 20-year-old horrorcore rapper allegedly killed a family of four in Virginia, after attending a music festival there. And Steven Spader, one of the teenagers accused of killing a New Hampshire mother with machete, is also reportedly a fan of horrorcore music, and the band Insane Clown Posse.
"If you are that kind of aggressive kid I don't think you are going to be listening to indie pop, so of course it fits," Faraone said.
Chris Faraone is a hip-hop music critic for the Boston Phoenix. He said this type of music is much more popular than many might think.
"People have no idea how big this is," Faraone said. "Insane Clown Posse are millionaires many times over."
But many experts
we spoke with say horrorcore, movies or violent video games alone should not be blamed for the brutal murder in New Hampshire.
"Sure there are some studies that show violent lyrics can make people feel hostile, but feeling hostile is a far cry from murdering people," Northeastern University professor James Fox said.
Criminologist James Fox said while music itself should not be blamed, it can reinforce violent tendencies.
"This is not harmless, it does impact people's attitudes, thoughts and emotions," Fox said.
And with the internet, the most violent of music and video can be found online, downloaded and listened to without anyone else hearing, leaving some parents unaware of what those lyrics are really all about.
"They don't the names of the bands, they don't know anything about the music and they are not hearing about the music," Fox said.
It's just one more insight into the world of four teenagers now accused in this random attack. But despite all the insights, there are still many questions left unanswered.
Here's one more from... http://www.bostonherald.com/news/re...61&format=&page=1&listingType=Loc#articleFull
A toxic mix of horrorcore hip-hop, slasher cable TV and a Manson cult obsession may have been enough to twist the troubled minds of four teens accused of unleashing a murderous rage in bucolic Mont Vernon, N.H.
The bombardment of all the blood-spattered pop culture may have sapped the humanity from the accused Granite State killers, a criminal profiler said.
“It appears they shared a horrific homicidal camaraderie,” said John Kelly of STALK Inc., who assisted on the Molly Bish disappearance and the unsolved hooker slayings along Interstate 495.
“What they had in common was anger and rage,” Kelly said.
And “Dexter.”
The Showtime series features serial slayer Dexter Morgan, who preys on other killers while working as a blood-spatter analyst for Miami police.
One of the mayhem-minded teens accused of hacking Kimberly Lynn Cates, 42, to death in her bed and wounding her 11-year-old girl, Jaimie, in a random predawn attack Sunday later raved on Facebook about “Dexter.”
“Dexter is such a funny show!” wrote Christopher Gribble, 19.
Gribble’s alleged partner in the grisly attack, Steven Spader, 17, matched his taste for gore.
Friends said Spader was a fan of so-called horrorcore hip-hop - a gruesome subgenre riddled with lyrics about Satanism, cannibalism, murder and rape.
Spader especially gravitated to the rap group Insane Clown Posse, whose lurid lyrics include:
“I looked into her eyes and she was scared as hell!
“I knew she was a snitch so I cut off her tongue
“Now happy with the trigger now I’m on the run.”
For Kelly, also a psychoanalyst in New Jersey, it’s a “perfect storm” of sensory corruption.
“Crazy music, ‘Dexter.’ All the senses are being conditioned,” Kelly said. “Hack you and stab you is what Dexter is all about.”
Friends of the marauding teens - including alleged accomplices William Marks, 18, and Quinn Glover, 17 - mentioned their obsession with the notorious Manson family.
In an eerie link to the 1969 Los Angeles slayings of director Roman Polanski’s wife, Sharon Tate, and eight others, one of Charles Manson’s acolytes, Linda Kasabian Christian, moved to Mont Vernon years after the sensational trial. “Just like the Manson followers, these teens were allegedly into cutting up and a gang cult,” Kelly said. “They would have gone on to kill again. Once a thrill killer starts, they don’t stop.”
A toxic mix of horrorcore hip-hop, slasher cable TV and a Manson cult obsession may have been enough to twist the troubled minds of four teens accused of unleashing a murderous rage in bucolic Mont Vernon, N.H.
The bombardment of all the blood-spattered pop culture may have sapped the humanity from the accused Granite State killers, a criminal profiler said.
“It appears they shared a horrific homicidal camaraderie,” said John Kelly of STALK Inc., who assisted on the Molly Bish disappearance and the unsolved hooker slayings along Interstate 495.
“What they had in common was anger and rage,” Kelly said.
And “Dexter.”
The Showtime series features serial slayer Dexter Morgan, who preys on other killers while working as a blood-spatter analyst for Miami police.
One of the mayhem-minded teens accused of hacking Kimberly Lynn Cates, 42, to death in her bed and wounding her 11-year-old girl, Jaimie, in a random predawn attack Sunday later raved on Facebook about “Dexter.”
“Dexter is such a funny show!” wrote Christopher Gribble, 19.
Gribble’s alleged partner in the grisly attack, Steven Spader, 17, matched his taste for gore.
Friends said Spader was a fan of so-called horrorcore hip-hop - a gruesome subgenre riddled with lyrics about Satanism, cannibalism, murder and rape.
Spader especially gravitated to the rap group Insane Clown Posse, whose lurid lyrics include:
“I looked into her eyes and she was scared as hell!
“I knew she was a snitch so I cut off her tongue
“Now happy with the trigger now I’m on the run.”
For Kelly, also a psychoanalyst in New Jersey, it’s a “perfect storm” of sensory corruption.
“Crazy music, ‘Dexter.’ All the senses are being conditioned,” Kelly said. “Hack you and stab you is what Dexter is all about.”
Friends of the marauding teens - including alleged accomplices William Marks, 18, and Quinn Glover, 17 - mentioned their obsession with the notorious Manson family.
In an eerie link to the 1969 Los Angeles slayings of director Roman Polanski’s wife, Sharon Tate, and eight others, one of Charles Manson’s acolytes, Linda Kasabian Christian, moved to Mont Vernon years after the sensational trial. “Just like the Manson followers, these teens were allegedly into cutting up and a gang cult,” Kelly said. “They would have gone on to kill again. Once a thrill killer starts, they don’t stop.”
