Marines In Iraq Shoot to Kill Everybody, says Ex Marine

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U.S. killed unarmed Iraqis, war-dodger hearing told

Colin Perkel
Canadian Press


December 8, 2004



Jeremy Hinzman speaks in this recent file photo. (CP Archive/Darryl James)

TORONTO (CP) - A former United States marine told a refugee hearing for an American war dodger Tuesday that trigger-happy U.S. soldiers in Iraq routinely killed unarmed woman and children, and murdered other Iraqis in violation of international law.

In chilling testimony intended to bolster the asylum claim of compatriot Jeremy Hinzman, former staff sergeant Jimmy Massey recounted how nervous soldiers trained to believe that all Iraqis were potential terrorists often opened fire indiscriminately.

"I was never clear on who the enemy was," Massey, 33, told the hearing.

"If you have no enemy or you do not know who the enemy is, what are you doing there?"

On several occasions, his soldiers pumped hundreds of bullets into cars that failed to stop at U.S. military checkpoints, killing all occupants - who were later found to be unarmed, Massey said.

On another occasion, marines reacted to a stray bullet by killing a small group of unarmed protesters and bystanders, said Massey, who said he suffers from nightmares and post-traumatic stress disorder.

"I was deeply concerned about the civilian casualties," he said.

"What they were doing was committing murder."

Massey's statements echoed earlier testimony from Hinzman, who says he fled the U.S. military because he believed the invasion of Iraq was illegal, and any violent acts he committed there would be unconscionable.

"This was a criminal war," Hinzman said.

"Any act of violence in an unjustified conflict is an atrocity."

Hinzman, 26, deserted his regiment in January just days before being deployed to Iraq, and fears he will be unfairly court-martialled if returned to the United States.

Hinzman told the Immigration and Refugee Board hearing that the U.S. military regarded all Arabs in the Middle East - Iraqis in particular - as potential terrorists to be eliminated.

"We were referring to these people as savages," Hinzman testified.

"It fosters an attitude of hatred that gets your blood boiling."

While a federal government lawyer said U.S. deserters often get about a year in jail, Hinzman countered he would be treated more harshly because of his views on the Iraq war.

"Serving even one day in prison for refusing to comply with an illegal order is too long," Hinzman said.

"I would be prosecuted for acting upon a political belief . . . for refusing to do something that was wrong."

A Washington Post reporter covering the hearings said Americans are extremely sensitive to Hinzman's request for asylum because of parallels to the Vietnam War.

"There's a great deal of worry that Iraq is beginning to look a little like Vietnam," said Doug Struck.

"Americans are very worried when their servicemen start saying, 'No, we're not going to go.' It sends alarms off."

Hinzman, whose only prior knowledge of Canada came from CBC radio broadcasts, admitted it is seemingly "preposterous" for an American to seek asylum in Canada.

He said he chose to go public with his claim to head off any possibility of being quietly sent home.

"I felt that (Canadian) authorities could say, 'You are an American. What the hell are you doing? Go back.' "

Hinzman's lawyer, Jeffry House, said Canada has allowed deserters from other countries to stay and compared Hinzman's situation to that of the former Soviet Union.

"People used to be prosecuted for their political opinions and activities," House said in an interview.

"That was persecution. It is fundamentally wrong."

Hinzman enlisted voluntarily for four years in November 2000. He was a crack infantryman with the 82nd Airborne Division based in Fort Bragg, N.C., until he deserted after his application as a conscientious objector failed.

Brian Goodman, who is chairing the three-day hearing that ends Wednesday, indicated he will likely decide Hinzman's claim early in the new year.

© The Canadian Press 2004
 
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It's not hard to believe that in the heat of battle soldiers lose control and start shooting at everything and everybody. Some of you act like you never played a war-based game on x-box and shot a couple of captives. Imagine what the real-life stress of battle would do to your nerves and instincts.
 
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fuck em, innocent people died in 9/11 by the terrorists taking it out on people that didnt deserve it......its the same shit, its a shame why i dont see threads about the innocent people that died that day in the towers, just threads hating on america.....oh well, i keep forgetting its just the internet and aint no one paying attention anyway.....keep up the posting fellas
 
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^^that was more than 3 years ago, and trust me we all got our fair dose of 9/11ism... but this stuff is happening RIGHT NOW.

By the way you seem to be a supporter of the U.S. and it's actions. One would think that a supporter of the U.S. would also support it's guidelines... one in particular "All men are created equal" this means innocent iraqis don't deserve to die anymore than innocent americans deserve to .....you dumbfuck.
 
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how bout this. FUCK IRAQ, FUCK AFGHANISTAN, FUCK EM ALL, fuck em, let em all rott, .............now let me go run and get yall some kleenex you crying lil hoes....yall sound like some females for real. but my theory is, if u dont like something, change it or leave, not sit around and cry about it and pout you lames....which leads me to my next question, what are yall doing about the so called "injustices" of the us and its army...anything? nah, posting on an internet forum. yall some revolutionaries for real!!! lol, and my point wasnt even liking iraq to 9/11....im just saying yall act like everybody else is innocent, and blame the us for everything.....really, go out and change the shit or pack up and fuckin bounce, us dont need your sensitive asses anyway.....im gonna start callin this forum the revolutionary forum, cuz yall definitly making a difference and changing this shit for real!!!! damn, pathetic
 
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Once again you think you know everyone's business by simply reading replies on the internet? lol, come on dawg, you know me personally? You know what I do when I'm not replying to faggots like you? You know what I do on the streets, who I'm in conctact with, who I meet with, what I study, where I go to school etc.? nah, man, you dont know shit about me or anyone else on this board just like you dont know shit about current events. Now, go do yourself a favor and read a book or at least a newspaper and educate yourself before speaking on topics you know nothing about. Either that or just continue being greedy and worry about yourself.

"If I only had a brain"
 
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lol @ people defending this

no wonder everyone in the world wants to take out americans, dont blame em

so next time some building blows up here, quit ur bitching
 
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Homeless Iraq vets showing up at shelters
[THANK YOU AMERIKKKA!]
Republished from Washington Times

Advocates fear they are the leading edge of a new generation of homeless vets not seen since the Vietnam era
Washington, DC, Dec. 7 (UPI)—U.S. veterans from the war in Iraq are beginning to show up at homeless shelters around the country, and advocates fear they are the leading edge of a new generation of homeless vets not seen since the Vietnam era.

“When we already have people from Iraq on the streets, my God,” said Linda Boone, executive director of the National Coalition for Homeless Veterans. “I have talked to enough (shelters) to know we are getting them. It is happening and this nation is not prepared for that.”

“I drove off in my truck. I packed my stuff. I lived out of my truck for a while,” Seabees Petty Officer Luis Arellano, 34, said in a telephone interview from a homeless shelter near March Air Force Base in California run by U.S.VETS, the largest organization in the country dedicated to helping homeless veterans.

Arellano said he lived out of his truck on and off for three months after returning from Iraq in September 2003. “One day you have a home and the next day you are on the streets,” he said.

In Iraq, shrapnel nearly severed his left thumb. He still has trouble moving it and shrapnel “still comes out once in a while,” Arellano said. He is left handed.

Arellano said he felt pushed out of the military too quickly after getting back from Iraq without medical attention he needed for his hand—and as he would later learn, his mind.

“It was more of a rush. They put us in a warehouse for a while. They treated us like cattle,” Arellano said about how the military treated him on his return to the United States.

“It is all about numbers. Instead of getting quality care, they were trying to get everybody demobilized during a certain time frame. If you had a problem, they said, ‘Let the (Department of Veterans Affairs) take care of it.’”

The Pentagon has acknowledged some early problems and delays in treating soldiers returning from Iraq but says the situation has been fixed.

A gunner’s mate for 16 years, Arellano said he adjusted after serving in the first Gulf War. But after returning from Iraq, depression drove him to leave his job at the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. He got divorced.

He said that after being quickly pushed out of the military, he could not get help from the VA because of long delays.

“I felt, as well as others (that the military said) ‘We can’t take care of you on active duty.’ We had to sign an agreement that we would follow up with the VA,” said Arellano.

“When we got there, the VA was totally full. They said, ‘We’ll call you.’ But I developed depression.”

He left his job and wandered for three months, sometimes living in his truck.

Nearly 300,000 veterans are homeless on any given night, and almost half served during the Vietnam era, according to the Homeless Veterans coalition, a consortium of community-based homeless-veteran service providers. While some experts have questioned the degree to which mental trauma from combat causes homelessness, a large number of veterans live with the long-term effects of post-traumatic stress disorder and substance abuse, according to the coalition.

Some homeless-veteran advocates fear that similar combat experiences in Vietnam and Iraq mean that these first few homeless veterans from Iraq are the crest of a wave.

“This is what happened with the Vietnam vets. I went to Vietnam,” said John Keaveney, chief operating officer of New Directions, a shelter and drug-and-alcohol treatment program for veterans in Los Angeles. That city has an estimated 27,000 homeless veterans, the largest such population in the nation. “It is like watching history being repeated,” Keaveney said.

Data from the Department of Veterans Affairs shows that as of last July, nearly 28,000 veterans from Iraq sought health care from the VA. One out of every five was diagnosed with a mental disorder, according to the VA. An Army study in the New England Journal of Medicine in July showed that 17 percent of service members returning from Iraq met screening criteria for major depression, generalized anxiety disorder or PTSD.

Asked whether he might have PTSD, Arrellano, the Seabees petty officer who lived out of his truck, said: “I think I do, because I get nightmares. I still remember one of the guys who was killed.” He said he gets $100 a month from the government for the wound to his hand.

Lance Cpl. James Claybon Brown Jr., 23, is staying at a shelter run by U.S.VETS in Los Angeles. He fought in Iraq for 6 months with Alpha Company, 1st Battalion, 2nd Marines and later in Afghanistan with another unit. He said the fighting in Iraq was sometimes intense.

“We were pretty much all over the place,” Brown said. “It was really heavy gunfire, supported by mortar and tanks, the whole nine (yards).”

Brown acknowledged the mental stress of war, particularly after Marines inadvertently killed civilians at road blocks. He thinks his belief in God helped him come home with a sound mind.

“We had a few situations where, I guess, people were trying to get out of the country. They would come right at us and they would not stop,” Brown said. “We had to open fire on them. It was really tough. A lot of soldiers, like me, had trouble with that.”

“That was the hardest part,” Brown said. “Not only were there men, but there were women and children—really little children. There would be babies with arms blown off. It was something hard to live with.”

Brown said he got an honorable discharge with a good conduct medal from the Marines in July and went home to Dayton, Ohio. But he soon drifted west to California “pretty much to start over,” he said.

Brown said his experience with the VA was positive, but he has struggled to find work and is staying with U.S.VETS to save money. He said he might go back to school.

Advocates said seeing homeless veterans from Iraq should cause alarm. Around one-fourth of all homeless Americans are veterans, and more than 75 percent of them have some sort of mental or substance abuse problem, often PTSD, according to the Homeless Veterans coalition.

More troubling, experts said, is that mental problems are emerging as a major casualty cluster, particularly from the war in Iraq where the enemy is basically everywhere and blends in with the civilian population, and death can come from any direction at any time.

Interviews and visits to homeless shelters around the Unites States show the number of homeless veterans from Iraq or Afghanistan so far is limited. Of the last 7,500 homeless veterans served by the VA, 50 had served in Iraq. Keaveney, from New Directions in West Los Angeles, said he is treating two homeless veterans from the Army’s elite Ranger battalion at his location. U.S.VETS, the largest organization in the country dedicated to helping homeless veterans, found nine veterans from Iraq or Afghanistan in a quick survey of nine shelters. Others, like the Maryland Center for Veterans Education and Training in Baltimore, said they do not currently have any veterans from Iraq or Afghanistan in their 170 beds set aside for emergency or transitional housing.

Peter Dougherty, director of Homeless Veterans Programs at the VA, said services for veterans at risk of becoming homeless have improved exponentially since the Vietnam era. Over the past 30 years, the VA has expanded from 170 hospitals, adding 850 clinics and 206 veteran centers with an increasing emphasis on mental health. The VA also supports around 300 homeless veteran centers like the ones run by U.S.VETS, a partially non-profit organization.

“You probably have close to 10 times the access points for service than you did 30 years ago,” Dougherty said. “We may be catching a lot of these folks who are coming back with mental illness or substance abuse” before they become homeless in the first place. Dougherty said the VA serves around 100,000 homeless veterans each year.

But Boone’s group says that nearly 500,000 veterans are homeless at some point in any given year, so the VA is only serving 20 percent of them.

Roslyn Hannibal-Booker, director of development at the Maryland veterans center in Baltimore, said her organization has begun to get inquiries from
 
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greedygreg209 said:
how bout this. FUCK IRAQ, FUCK AFGHANISTAN, FUCK EM ALL, fuck em, let em all rott, .............now let me go run and get yall some kleenex you crying lil hoes....yall sound like some females for real.
you are one dumb bitch, gettin government and civilians confused. You're type of mentality is exactly the type of mentality that terrorists have... "i hate thier government for killing my people, so everyone in that country deserves to die even though they had nothing to do with it."
greedygreg209 said:
but my theory is, if u dont like something, change it or leave.
so go 'head and enlist, what you waiting for???
 
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greedygreg209 said:
^^^^i aint the one complaining bitch. boo hooooooo america is killing innocent people.....i aint the one sniffiling lil bitch
Are you implying that I am the one "complaining" because I posted up this article? I put it up for people to read because they aren't going to hear about this in the American press. If you cant understand it and think its "complaining", try actually reading the article and putting a little thought into it and really start to understand the facts.