Malcom X...

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lol, again you're thinking too deep and assuming shit, which is irritating.

"Socialist awakening" was a term I never used. Read the article.

It was a simple point, which cannot be argued - both men were moving more to the left and made some important observations (again, this is especially true with the last year of Malcolm X, which should be obvious if you read his speeches, writings, etc. during that period of his life). Does this mean they were going to become socialists? No. Does this imply they were socialists? No. Did I or the original article state such things? No.

The article, if I remember correctly, was from a site that also wrote criticisms of both men and their failures to reach certain conclusions and their limitations, but nonetheless praised them for laying down some of the foundation for other groups, such as the Black Panther Party, etc., as well as the positive things they did accomplish. Never did they claim either man as "one of their own" and never had such delusions, or mislead their readers in anyway.
 
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Now that I re-read that post, it's not even an article, that's me. Doesn't come from anywhere (doesn't come from socialist.net which threw me off at first since you mentioned that site), which explains why there isn't a source. I compiled those quotes and added my views.

The only sections that are not quotes are from me (also explains the misspelling and poor grammar):

Martin Luther King Jr. in his later days did start to explore socialism; his views evolved and he understood that the main problem was not simply racism, it was capitalism.


In early 1964 Malcolm X broke with the Nation of Islam. There were many reasons for this, but the most important was their abstention from the Black struggle for civil rights. The last few years of Malcolm’s life, he clearly understood that racism was a product of capitalism and the true fight was not a race issue but a class issue. Malcolm’s views were definitely evolving and he was not simply just a revolutionary, but leaning towards a socialist.


Malcolm X’s political evolution in his last year was the reason he was killed.


Perhaps malcolm and King were both killed not because of there fight for equality, but because of the threat they posed to our very system. Just like what occured to the openly socialist, Black Panter Party.
And I still don't see whats wrong with any of that. The only part we can argue about is "leaning towards a socialist", which one can make the argument either way and there is no telling just how far his personal evolution would have taken him if not for his death.
 
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i read the autobiography a few times and it was an important book to me when i read it. i believe i read it in high school and a few times in college. the book caused me to be more militant. i recall a lot of the scenes when he was Detroit Red and when he was young shining shoes at concerts and what not. I can't remember the later parts of the autobiography as vividly I should probably read it again. Damn designer cannabis has almost completely fucked off my memory.
 

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^^^wouldnt u say that might be more of a result of the way things are now, being that now its more of a joke to talk about the "man", but back in the 60's, the context was different...


edit: and im now disagreeing with u, i think thats a solid point
 
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I believe that people these days try to water what Malcom X stood for and try to make him out to be some fanatical religious freak or a crazy black nationalistic soldier. IMO, the man stood for a movement against the machine and system that continues to corruptly and prejudicely run the world today...
 
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But he was a Black nationalist... Soldier, not so sure...
He was more than a black nationalist IMO, but I can't argue that there is plenty of evidence to show that he was a black nationalist. I'm just saying that the dude stood for resistance to the machine and he had the balls to live the way he did. Whatever his agenda was, all I know is that he fought against the same machine that continues to dominate today...
 

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@DubbC415

I'm sure the context was different... But I wasn't around then... Good question though... What's your take on him...?
to put it simply, an incredible diligent, thinking, intelligent person caught in a bad period and most often misunderstood. Although his perception of things may seem skewed at certain times in his life, he was still rational, and logical, and always well-thought out. and could probably out-think any one of us. and on top of that, one of the greatest orators (American, at least) of the 20th century. He should be commended, just as anyone should be today, for the change he was trying to make, and the change he made within himself, both with his incarceration and then after his trip to Mecca. An incredible life story, to say the least, and an unspeakable tragedy that his life was taken at that point. Right on the cusp of revolution. We were so close. R.I.P. The 60's.
 
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to put it simply, an incredible diligent, thinking, intelligent person caught in a bad period and most often misunderstood. Although his perception of things may seem skewed at certain times in his life, he was still rational, and logical, and always well-thought out. and could probably out-think any one of us. and on top of that, one of the greatest orators (American, at least) of the 20th century. He should be commended, just as anyone should be today, for the change he was trying to make, and the change he made within himself, both with his incarceration and then after his trip to Mecca. An incredible life story, to say the least, and an unspeakable tragedy that his life was taken at that point. Right on the cusp of revolution. We were so close. R.I.P. The 60's.
Well put sir...