Main Street America is Rising Up

[kev ski]

People still get fucked over for the most 'bizarre' reasons.
I don't live in America but I've heard on several accounts from different people that you can get laid off from work with out any reason at all. And not even be able to fight this in court!?
If it was me, I would be really happy there is a union backing me up in that case.



How?



If you strike the company not always gives in, the company does not always change their layout because of strikes. And mass layoffs are not always the result of strikes.

Mass layoffs are usually results of the current economical situation or fuck ups by some one in the company (greed)

There are few companies who see their employees as people instead of asset.
How many times it happened there were mass lay offs because the company 'couldn't afford the peoples salary' anymore. Then the CEO and some managers get fat bonusses and new cars etc etc.
While a lot of people, many too old to find new jobs are kicked to the curb.
'thanks for the 20 years loyal service!'

So what is the cause of sending work overseas? Because of the unions or because the companies wanted to fuck their employees over in the first place?
If the people in America would work for less money the companies would still send the jobs overseas, because the people in those countries will work for even less!

Also it's not all about the wages, taxes play a major role here as well.
This is what happened in Ireland for example. There was high unemployment so their gov decided to lower taxes to almost nihill for 10 years. IBM, google, eBay and whatnot flew in at the opertunity, opened business there. A lot of jobs where created and the people were happy.
Now 10 years later. The companies have to pay regular tax. So all the companies who came in IBM, google, eBay and whatnot closed their companies in Ireland and opened up companies In eastern Europe. Because now the tax there is lower.

With Ireland plummeting into the economic crisis and a lot of unemployment as a result.
People had no work so they couldn't spend anything, a lot of bars in Ireland had to close as well so did a lot of other stuff.
But I'm sure you saw this on the news one day.



Maybe the houses are lower price there because there is less jobs available in the area, less people live there, the infrastructure is not so good etc etc. There are tons of reasons why the houses are lower price in one area instead of the next. Not all directly related to pay wages

look, if you aint from america dont tell me how it works here, ive worked for large companies before, several and thats how it works,

lets say one companies employees go on strike and no body gets layed off, the company then decides to consolidate its offices ,ok so now you have 7-8 offices being sqeezed into 3-4 locations, people in sacramento will have to commute or move to fresno everyday, now out of 150-300 + people do you think want to do this? remember as the employee we didnt layoff anyone just moved the offices, so mr employee (GTS AND ANYONE ELSE) tell me were im in the wrong and what do you plan to do about it ?

 

[iaoish]

look, if you aint from america dont tell me how it works here, ive worked for large companies before, several and thats how it works,

Lol at you for using this as an excuse for not replying to anything in my post!

I also have worked for very large companies, it doesn't matter where the US or anywhere else. The business model of those companies is basically the same.
Making as much profit as possible with the least possible expenses.
So don't tell me it's very different where you life, because it's not.

lets say one companies employees go on strike and no body gets layed off, the company then decides to consolidate its offices ,ok so now you have 7-8 offices being sqeezed into 3-4 locations, people in sacramento will have to commute or move to fresno everyday, now out of 150-300 + people do you think want to do this? remember as the employee we didnt layoff anyone just moved the offices, so mr employee (GTS AND ANYONE ELSE) tell me were im in the wrong and what do you plan to do about it ?

You are going a very different direction here and I don't even understand the point you are trying to make.
Can you please elaborate your point here, but as far as I can see a company can do that, but in the end it's again the employees who get fucked in the ass for this.
(although I don't know the distance between Sacramento and Fresno though)

 

[kev ski]

Lol at you for using this as an excuse for not replying to anything in my post!

I also have worked for very large companies, it doesn't matter where the US or anywhere else. The business model of those companies is basically the same.
Making as much profit as possible with the least possible expenses.
So don't tell me it's very different where you life, because it's not.



You are going a very different direction here and I don't even understand the point you are trying to make.
Can you please elaborate your point here, but as far as I can see a company can do that, but in the end it's again the employees who get fucked in the ass for this.
(although I don't know the distance between Sacramento and Fresno though)

no excuses, just facts, ireland and england are not on the same level as the usa when it come to manufacturing or job creation , you economies are hurting because you only trade not create like the usa does,

second:
my point is that companies can persuade you to quit by relocating jobs so far away you wont or cant commute,

you cant strike and win now days, your not going to sink a multi million or billion dollar company, too many ways to keep you in check,
like i said before if you want anything just start your own company , i have 3 and im opening another 2 in the next calendar year, just keep it movin !!


fuck speculation, fuck the corporate world, GET YOUR OWN!!!!!!!

 

[iaoish]

 

[Mike Manson]

no excuses, just facts, ireland and england are not on the same level as the usa when it come to manufacturing or job creation , you economies are hurting because you only trade not create like the usa does,

second:
my point is that companies can persuade you to quit by relocating jobs so far away you wont or cant commute,

you cant strike and win now days, your not going to sink a multi million or billion dollar company, too many ways to keep you in check,
like i said before if you want anything just start your own company , i have 3 and im opening another 2 in the next calendar year, just keep it movin !!


fuck speculation, fuck the corporate world, GET YOUR OWN!!!!!!!

You seriously have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[kev ski]

You seriously have no idea what you are talking about.

really? what is made in ireland? what is made in the uk? how was there wealth amassed? how is it made today? whats the economy like there?

i can tell you what its made in china,usa,mexico and canada,
manufacturing jogs are what drive american economy not "trade like in the uk

i know what im talking about , prove me wrong

 

[iaoish]

First read my posts before you start yapping about things that are completely irrelevant.
Thusfar you still haven't responded to anything in my posts.

 

[kev ski]

First read my posts before you start yapping about things that are completely irrelevant.
Thusfar you still haven't responded to anything in my posts.

ok man whatever, bottom line is the unions fucked them selfs and all the marching and protest aint going to change shit , so live with it !

im done

 

[iaoish]

Fair enough, stay ignorant then!

 

[kev ski]

Fair enough, stay ignorant then!

whatever the the case you dont need to speak to me like this, we just see it in a different way

but if you ever want to compare bank accounts or college degrees 3 ba's by the way, with this ignorant person then lets do it since you know how things work and how to work them

 

[iaoish]

There is no seeing different in facts.
And I apologize if I hurt your feelings.

 

[kev ski]

feelings not hurt,

facts as they be , there are always two sides to every story, i have 10 employees plus my self, and everyone is happy without any union,

 

[iaoish]

Congratulations!

But again, completely irrelevant.

Didn't you say you opened shops in the Philippines?
Aren't you contradicting yourself then

And do they there even know what unions are??

 

[Mr. Nice Guy]

There is no seeing different in facts.

It is a fact that has been readily admitted in support of unions on this very forum that unions were responsible for the betterment of wages and working conditions - and it was those very changes that made it more lucrative for companies to relocate outside of the USA.

No matter what side you take on the issue, that is one of those facts there is no seeing different on.

It's a simple supply and demand equation and unions priced themselves (and indirectly a lot of other workers in the US) out of competition because they undervalued the supply side of the jobs equation. There are a lot more people than there are jobs (especially when examined globally)

 

[iaoish]

Even if there were no unions, jobs would still be outsourced to other countries due to fact that even then the wages will be higher then in certain other countires where people do the same work for a lot less money.

 

[Lordbyron]

It is a fact that has been readily admitted in support of unions on this very forum that unions were responsible for the betterment of wages and working conditions - and it was those very changes that made it more lucrative for companies to relocate outside of the USA.

Tariffs, taxes, the EPA... Had a hand in this ^ as well... Unions aren't solely responsible...

 

[kev ski]

Congratulations!

But again, completely irrelevant.

Didn't you say you opened shops in the Philippines?
Aren't you contradicting yourself then

And do they there even know what unions are??

yes i did open shop here in the philippines, thats completely separate from the two companies i own in the usa my friend.

every dime i make goes into a business investment that i have controlling intrest or own outright, im trying to create wealth not get rich.
theres alot of options investment in the usa but you need to choose them carefully, work hard and get lucky sometimes , here in the philippines the governement helps with foreign investment of any amount so its easy to set up shop here and turn a profit, plus i have alot of close friends here so its a perfect fit for me here,

and no they dont have unions here they have government regulation so its still under someones watch, its not much different from the usa

 

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Even if there were no unions, jobs would still be outsourced to other countries due to fact that even then the wages will be higher then in certain other countires where people do the same work for a lot less money.

And even if there were no coal burning power plants pollution would still exist.

That doesn't mean we should just disregard any negative impacts of pollution generated by coal power plants.

 

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Tariffs, taxes, the EPA... Had a hand in this ^ as well... Unions aren't solely responsible...

I never said they were solely responsible, but on the other hand to say they were inculpable is inaccurate.

We aren't talking about tariffs, taxes, the EPA etc. If you want to discus their economic impact, I wouldn't disagree with you.

 

[Lordbyron]

I never said they were solely responsible, but on the other hand to say they were inculpable is inaccurate.

We aren't talking about tariffs, taxes, the EPA etc. If you want to discus their economic impact, I wouldn't disagree with you.

True, true, & true...