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The fight for workers rights is spreading across America. Drawing their inspiration from Egypt and Wisconsin, nearly ten thousand union members and their supporters clogged the streets of Los Angeles this weekend, to let everyone know that they're not going to stand for what they call an attack on the middle class.
 
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fuck unions, they destroy what business is all about , they are why america lost all the jobs to china and why so many illegal immigrants are taking jobs away from americans

as a business owner i can say i cant pay a person what they want just because they think they earned it ,


they can bitch all they want, but bottom line is they is no money left more later
 
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fuck unions, they destroy what business is all about , they are why america lost all the jobs to china and why so many illegal immigrants are taking jobs away from americans

as a business owner i can say i can pay a person what they want just because they think they earned it ,


they can bitch all they want, but bottom line is they is no money left more later
Really? You just said that?
 
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fuck unions, they destroy what business is all about , they are why america lost all the jobs to china and why so many illegal immigrants are taking jobs away from americans

as a business owner i can say i cant pay a person what they want just because they think they earned it ,


they can bitch all they want, but bottom line is they is no money left more later
So, workin' conditions in the United States were better before unions formed...?
 
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Losing jobs to other countries is that free trade shit.Once one of your presidents legalized.Unions are to hel people from wrongful terminations and so they get good pay.You also have to remember that even if these so called "illegal aliens" have to pay some sort of tax and do contibute to the economy in one way or another.If you really wanna play the blame game ,you can start pointing fingers to the bank system,false flag wars, and WAR in general!
 
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So, workin' conditions in the United States were better before unions formed...?
working conditions are in issue , but profit is the biggest issue, its more profitable to farm out work to other countries because of the unions demanding hire pay and control over how you manage your work force, so its like having a business partner that you cant get rid of, its called forced profit sharing
 
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.You also have to remember that even if these so called "illegal aliens" have to pay some sort of tax and do contibute to the economy in one way or another.

yes in some way but keep in mind that there is a sector of employment that was once geared for the younger work force, ie 16-21 age group

fast food, grocery stores, gas stations, news paper delivery etc, these were low income/part time jobs for entry lever positions not for 40-50 year old people

to tell me how is a 17-18 year old kid who wants to work find a job and where?
 

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.You also have to remember that even if these so called "illegal aliens" have to pay some sort of tax and do contibute to the economy in one way or another.

yes in some way but keep in mind that there is a sector of employment that was once geared for the younger work force, ie 16-21 age group

fast food, grocery stores, gas stations, news paper delivery etc, these were low income/part time jobs for entry lever positions not for 40-50 year old people

to tell me how is a 17-18 year old kid who wants to work find a job and where?
That's for people to figure out. A lot of people expect jobs to just appear, but in truth you either have to find a job, or create employment. It's about being innovative sometimes.
 
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working conditions are in issue , but profit is the biggest issue, its more profitable to farm out work to other countries because of the unions demanding hire pay and control over how you manage your work force, so its like having a business partner that you cant get rid of, its called forced profit sharing
Higher pay...? A say so in how the work force is managed...? The NERVE of those unions...!!!!!!!!!
 
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That's for people to figure out. A lot of people expect jobs to just appear, but in truth you either have to find a job, or create employment. It's about being innovative sometimes.
but finding is alot harder when you have to compete with 35-40 year olds that will work for the same or less then a 17 year old , it makes good business since
to hire people that wont quit after two weeks, can work any shift etc etc , but those jobs are meant as entry level for lowest wage not to stay there for 10 years

im here in the philippines now and here all the entry level jobs are for 18-23 and its only for two years after your contract is up you hit the road , you cant even apply at many jobs if you are over 24
this gives everyone a chance to get into the work force and have a resume
and work experience
 
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Higher pay...? A say so in how the work force is managed...? The NERVE of those unions...!!!!!!!!!
unions are the reason foreign trade even exist and why china has there hand up our ass, honestly i really dont care what happens to the usa, it can correct itself anytime it feels like it. one thing i learned about ten years ago was if you want to have anything now days you have to work for yourself and i have been for the last 10 and i will never ever work for anyone else, so if you guys love your unions so much have at it, but dont expect to have much time for yourself or your family, you only live once so fuck it get yours man !!
 
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Really? You just said that?


What part do disagree with?

Whether we like it or not, what he said is mostly factual.

US companies are outsourcing jobs because of higher pay here - fact

Many businesses support illegal immigration because it gives them an extremely cheap work force and depresses wage rates in general - fact

Unions inhabit the ability of businesses to do what they were intended (which by definition is to make a profit) - fact
 
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And that is offcourse all to blame to unions.
Maybe unions exists because the employees were sick and tired to be fucked over by theyre employers.. Hmmm..???
 
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And that is offcourse all to blame to unions.
Maybe unions exists because the employees were sick and tired to be fucked over by theyre employers.. Hmmm..???

times are different now , gone are the days of the fat guy with a cigar ans a caddy as the owner and ceo , its all Corporations now so its there are alot of investors money involved, yes unions fucked them selfs, now if you strike the company will give you what you want then later change the layout of the company and do mass layoffs to regain there profit margin , like sending work over seas,

keep in mind that pay wages dictate how much items are at the counter so its all related, that is why houses in mississippi are 1/3rd of a house in california
so if you keep wages low then your cost of living will be lover in your area as well
 
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times are different now , gone are the days of the fat guy with a cigar ans a caddy as the owner and ceo , its all Corporations now so its there are alot of investors money involved,
People still get fucked over for the most 'bizarre' reasons.
I don't live in America but I've heard on several accounts from different people that you can get laid off from work with out any reason at all. And not even be able to fight this in court!?
If it was me, I would be really happy there is a union backing me up in that case.

yes unions fucked them selfs,
How?

now if you strike the company will give you what you want then later change the layout of the company and do mass layoffs to regain there profit margin , like sending work over seas,
If you strike the company not always gives in, the company does not always change their layout because of strikes. And mass layoffs are not always the result of strikes.

Mass layoffs are usually results of the current economical situation or fuck ups by some one in the company (greed)

There are few companies who see their employees as people instead of asset.
How many times it happened there were mass lay offs because the company 'couldn't afford the peoples salary' anymore. Then the CEO and some managers get fat bonusses and new cars etc etc.
While a lot of people, many too old to find new jobs are kicked to the curb.
'thanks for the 20 years loyal service!'

So what is the cause of sending work overseas? Because of the unions or because the companies wanted to fuck their employees over in the first place?
If the people in America would work for less money the companies would still send the jobs overseas, because the people in those countries will work for even less!

Also it's not all about the wages, taxes play a major role here as well.
This is what happened in Ireland for example. There was high unemployment so their gov decided to lower taxes to almost nihill for 10 years. IBM, google, eBay and whatnot flew in at the opertunity, opened business there. A lot of jobs where created and the people were happy.
Now 10 years later. The companies have to pay regular tax. So all the companies who came in IBM, google, eBay and whatnot closed their companies in Ireland and opened up companies In eastern Europe. Because now the tax there is lower.

With Ireland plummeting into the economic crisis and a lot of unemployment as a result.
People had no work so they couldn't spend anything, a lot of bars in Ireland had to close as well so did a lot of other stuff.
But I'm sure you saw this on the news one day.

keep in mind that pay wages dictate how much items are at the counter so its all related, that is why houses in mississippi are 1/3rd of a house in california
so if you keep wages low then your cost of living will be lover in your area as well
Maybe the houses are lower price there because there is less jobs available in the area, less people live there, the infrastructure is not so good etc etc. There are tons of reasons why the houses are lower price in one area instead of the next. Not all directly related to pay wages
 
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People still get fucked over for the most 'bizarre' reasons.
I don't live in America but I've heard on several accounts from different people that you can get laid off from work with out any reason at all. And not even be able to fight this in court!?
If it was me, I would be really happy there is a union backing me up in that case.



How?



If you strike the company not always gives in, the company does not always change their layout because of strikes. And mass layoffs are not always the result of strikes.

Mass layoffs are usually results of the current economical situation or fuck ups by some one in the company (greed)

There are few companies who see their employees as people instead of asset.
How many times it happened there were mass lay offs because the company 'couldn't afford the peoples salary' anymore. Then the CEO and some managers get fat bonusses and new cars etc etc.
While a lot of people, many too old to find new jobs are kicked to the curb.
'thanks for the 20 years loyal service!'

So what is the cause of sending work overseas? Because of the unions or because the companies wanted to fuck their employees over in the first place?
If the people in America would work for less money the companies would still send the jobs overseas, because the people in those countries will work for even less!

Also it's not all about the wages, taxes play a major role here as well.
This is what happened in Ireland for example. There was high unemployment so their gov decided to lower taxes to almost nihill for 10 years. IBM, google, eBay and whatnot flew in at the opertunity, opened business there. A lot of jobs where created and the people were happy.
Now 10 years later. The companies have to pay regular tax. So all the companies who came in IBM, google, eBay and whatnot closed their companies in Ireland and opened up companies In eastern Europe. Because now the tax there is lower.

With Ireland plummeting into the economic crisis and a lot of unemployment as a result.
People had no work so they couldn't spend anything, a lot of bars in Ireland had to close as well so did a lot of other stuff.
But I'm sure you saw this on the news one day.



Maybe the houses are lower price there because there is less jobs available in the area, less people live there, the infrastructure is not so good etc etc. There are tons of reasons why the houses are lower price in one area instead of the next. Not all directly related to pay wages

bingo


"Mass layoffs are usually results of the current economical situation or fuck ups by some one in the company (greed)

There are few companies who see their employees as people instead of asset.How many times it happened there were mass lay offs because the company 'couldn't afford the peoples salary' anymore. Then the CEO and some managers get fat bonusses and new cars etc etc.
While a lot of people, many too old to find new jobs are kicked to the curb.
'thanks for the 20 years loyal service!'"