LOOSE CHANGE IS SET TO BE COMMERCIALLY RELEASED?!

[|GOD|||ZILLA|]

i'm curios to see whether they edit this movie first.. some things people will just not believe like the part with the voices of family members callin' off the plane... and there are a lot of better movies out their.. but one thing that can change the peoples minds 'bout 9/11 is building 7... anyone who has seen any legitimate facts on building 7 will come to a quick conclusion that a couple pieces of debris didn't melt steel.

 

[DJ Coma]

I can think of about 5 other 9-11 documentaries I would rather see commercially released. With that big budget behind Loose Change they better go back and redo a lot of that film to make it accurate. There's many flaws in its theories and other documentaries do an insanely better job by just sticking to the facts.

If this thing goes to theaters and it's the same as the versions we have seen on the internet then it will backfire if anything. People will prove a lot of their "facts" wrong and when people find out there is incorrect info in the film then the film will lose all credibility and make the government look better if anything. So they better get their shit together.

I think a good idea would be to take the people who made the best documentaries and get them all together to make this film. That way we will get the most accurate film.

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

Why was The patriot act enforced without hesitation and how ironic it was only a short amount of time after 9/11?

It was a counterintelligence and law enforcement "wish list" that had an impetus after 9/11. It also dovetails with neocon beliefs about government power.

So after 1 year after 9/11 America goes to war with Afghanistan primarily to capture Osama, nice story AmeriKa. Then they can't even find his ass, then all of a sudden it's a war on terror to eradicate the Taliban.

There was a widely held view all over America that after 9/11, "something had to be done". It doesn't help that the great cosmic idiot was also the president at the same time.

Read "The Book on Bush: How George W. Misleads America" by Eric Alterman. Hilarious. He really IS that stupid. Immediately after 9/11 I'm sure he had a little creamy pants episode right after pulling out a list of towelhead arab counrties to bomb / nuke and attack.

False Zionism, it's a preconceived notion that all Jews accept this "One" form of Zionism, which the government teaches about, not True. We're slowly learning that there are different branches of Zionism. Contrary to what many of the more advanced minds of the GOM think about Zionism the other forms or sects of Zionism are against the US and "False Israel" form of Zionism.

ROFL! What are you, a Saudi? What the fuck does Zionism and branches of it have to do with Loose Change? Are you going to bring up the difference between Kosher and Halaal when discussing the Vietnam War?

Stockton on cars:
"Yea, it's got a 357, overhead cams. New lifters. But because of the kafir zionists, it tops out at about 150 mph"

Stockton on the weather:
"Yea it's really rainy today. Only when Americans understand the true nature of the Mahdi will it become sunny again."

You motherfuckers sound like the Middle Eastern press.

"A child coughed today. Experts suspect Zionism at play."

"If you look a chart, gas prices rise as Zionism rises, and vice versa."

"Markets plunged late yesterday on a Zionist rally, causing futures contracts to plummet in the shape of a yomulka."

White Devil, I thought we were the government? I thought this was a democracy? If you slowly put the puzzle together, we aren't even a voice anymore.

Democracy is a concept. Not an end result. Its pursuance may or may not tie in with the goals, motives, or modus operandi of government.

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

The masses just dont give a shit enough to believe ANYTHING is possible in this day and age.

"Giving a shit" is not synonymous with believing the government or gloablists are behind 9/11.

I did my own research, including much through translated Arab sources and press on Al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, and that, not my apathy or miseducation, is why I believe the official story of 9/11.

 

[TROLL]

I did my own research, including much through translated Arab sources and press on Al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, and that, not my apathy or miseducation, is why I believe the official story of 9/11.

for debate purposes, lets say i believe that u actually did that sort of research.. why instead of posting links and backing your claim u opt to make off the cuff remarks towards the individual and make generic generalizations instead of actually debate what the person is saying?? do u doubt your own sources?? instead of posting anything relevant to your opinion you sell your own stance short by reverting to name calling..

if you believe the offical story, please explain to me what caused wtc 7 to fall into itself, but also.. show me an example of it happening before..

 

[Likwid]

Did loose change state that it wasn't possbile to make a phone call while on an airplane?..I enjoyed the film but can't remember. Anyhow I helped this guy at my work the other day (cell company) and he was telling me how he's able to use his celly while flying his personal plane. Kind of tripped me out.

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

Troll, much of it was through books (OBL, Islam, and America's War on Terror by As'ad Abu Khalil, The New Jackals by Simon Reeve, Imperial Hubris) and sites now defunct (like Al-Neda), print articles from Al-Ahram, Ha'aretz, et al that are not available online.

Besides, it is not even a discussion I care to have. It will take the same meandering form as those about other topics on this board. I dont have the time to transpose book excerpts here, and I lack the google skills to properly debate it here.

I find myself much more attracted to topics in which I have personal experience, a solid interest, or those that lend themselves more to a discussion than a link-finding or article-pasting contest.

Something like "Does Osama bin Laden exist?" "Did Al-Qaeda attack the US?" "Is Al-Qaeda fictional?" hold much less interest for me than "what is the nature of god?" "what should us foreign policy be?" etc.

 

[ValleyPainProduct]

yeah the world trade center and the patriot act dont mean shit in our lives and arent important debates....its much more important to come in a thread and say yall are stupid blah blah blah and go talk about god more seriously in another thread.........

you can at least tell us some of the info you "had translated" and know of ....what do these arab books tell you that confirms al queda was behind 9/11 and not the president?????

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

Al-Queda doesnt even exsist, thats the kicker.

 

[TROLL]

Troll, much of it was through books (OBL, Islam, and America's War on Terror by As'ad Abu Khalil,

interesting... didnt this guy also say..

"The Soviet occupation of Afghanistan gave us the Taliban. The American occupation of Saudi Arabia gave us bin Laden and Al Qaeda. The Israeli occupation of Lebanon gave us Hezbollah. Let us see what the American occupation of Iraq is going to give us"

sooo.. he agreez bin laden is creation of the U.S, however, he believes he was indirectly created..how much of a stretch is it to believe otherwise? that there were no 'accidentally made' boogiemen? that there wasnt any thought put into this entire scheme??....

wait, better yet.....google the name, tim osman for me..

I find myself much more attracted to topics in which I have personal experience, a solid interest, or those that lend themselves more to a discussion than a link-finding or article-pasting contest.

Something like "Does Osama bin Laden exist?" "Did Al-Qaeda attack the US?" "Is Al-Qaeda fictional?" hold much less interest for me than "what is the nature of god?" "what should us foreign policy be?" etc.

then why do u choose to say anything about this topic??... you found enough time to add a comment that u yourself find humorous.. yet, u dont have the time to actually hold a debate and discuss it? this IS a message board you know.. why even come on here or even click a topic you know your not gonna have time to respond to seriously??.. albiet even make a remark?




"A society whose citizens refuse to see and investigate the facts, who refuse to believe that their government and their media will routinely lie to them and fabricate a reality contrary to verifiable facts, is a society that chooses and deserves the Police State Dictatorship it's going to get."

-- Ian Williams Goddard

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

sooo.. he agreez bin laden is creation of the U.S, however, he believes he was indirectly created..how much of a stretch is it to believe otherwise? that there were no 'accidentally made' boogiemen? that there wasnt any thought put into this entire scheme??....

It's quite a stretch.

wait, better yet.....google the name, tim osman for me..

A page of grainy documentation with the about the same believability of the "osama tape".

then why do u choose to say anything about this topic??... you found enough time to add a comment that u yourself find humorous.. yet, u dont have the time to actually hold a debate and discuss it? this IS a message board you know.. why even come on here or even click a topic you know your not gonna have time to respond to seriously??.. albiet even make a remark?

I tried to have a serious debate and spill some truth about this...but aliens who were employed by the government deleted my post.

"A society whose citizens refuse to see and investigate the facts, who refuse to believe that their government and their media will routinely lie to them and fabricate a reality contrary to verifiable facts, is a society that chooses and deserves the Police State Dictatorship it's going to get."

-- Ian Williams Goddard

So you know 9/11 was a setup and an inside job. How has that affected your life? What sort of action have you decided to take? Assuming everything you believe is correct, what are some concrete, tangible differences between you and I (or the 'aware' and the 'unaware') in terms of what we do, who we are, where we fit in society, and what sort of net effect we have on the world?

 

[TROLL]

It's quite a stretch.

is it now? its quite a stretch because???? 'our government do bad thingz?????? noooooooooo'

A page of grainy documentation with the about the same believability of the "osama tape".

ooohh nooo!!! grain.. has to be fake... :cheeky:

I tried to have a serious debate and spill some truth about this...but aliens who were employed by the government deleted my post.

gatdam aliemz... well heres ur chance to once again 'spill' some truth..

So you know 9/11 was a setup and an inside job. How has that affected your life?

patriot act,
military commisions act,
wire taps,
Iraq,
amerikas 'war on terror'

need i say more?.. oh oh oh.. wait i know what your gonna say "when has the patriot act or MCA ever hurt you blah blah etc etc"... but would i let someone point a gun at me and say its ok that their aimin at my head cuz i havent been shot yet?? fuck no..

What sort of action have you decided to take?

getting the word out. thats the first step...

Assuming everything you believe is correct, what are some concrete, tangible differences between you and I (or the 'aware' and the 'unaware') in terms of what we do, who we are, where we fit in society, and what sort of net effect we have on the world?

well, id have to say the main diffrence between us is that if/when the time comes in our lifetime that they send the military out to round up people to be tagged or sent to concentration campz, ill be the one standing with pistols in tow with an army behind me while you would be the first one in line saying "you god damn gangbangerz, whats so wrong with being chipped?"

you will gleefully comply with your own enslavement...

i choose to actually say and do something about it.. in the face of a barrage of bulletz or insultz by those who choose not to hold their leaders accountable for anything..

your not a dumb guy WD, but i think your doubt is based on the fact that it seemz like its soooo far out there that it can't be true.. but i was always taught to expect the unexpected and never say anything cant happen.. cuz thats when u truely leave yourself vulnerable..

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

is it now? its quite a stretch because???? 'our government do bad thingz?????? noooooooooo'

I honestly dont believe they could have pulled it off.

well, id have to say the main diffrence between us is that if/when the time comes in our lifetime that they send the military out to round up people to be tagged or sent to concentration campz, ill be the one standing with pistols in tow with an army behind me while you would be the first one in line saying "you god damn gangbangerz, whats so wrong with being chipped?"

You really got me fucked up right here. Haha. I am not allowed, as a felon, to carry guns. Doesnt mean I cant or dont. In fact for all the bangin you done, I could never, ever even get a level 1 security clearance.

Tryin to tag everyone who believes the "mainstream" 9/11 story as a robot and a simp is a large and very presumptuous undertaking.

you will gleefully comply with your own enslavement...

i choose to actually say and do something about it.. in the face of a barrage of bulletz or insultz by those who choose not to hold their leaders accountable for anything..

So basically you're on here tryin to spread knowledge, and thats your response. However, I still believe that you put me, you, or the most conservative Republican on this board in the same situation and we would react in a similar way, perhaps more similar then you and I compared with random people on the street.

What I'm sort of failing to state very well is this; all the knowledge and beliefs you have about 9/11, the nature of the world, and who is responsible, there wouldnt be a major difference had you believed 'my' version, or should you care less even about 9/11 and the state of world affairs in general.

 

[TROLL]

I honestly dont believe they could have pulled it off.

but why is that? u DO kno the hijackers trained out here,right? u DO know that the bushes were in buisness with the bin ladens, right? u DO know that we helped fund the mujahideen, right? sooo its inconcievable to you that it happend to all NOT be an accident?? and to you its a big stretch because of the intent??.. if your point of contention is that they didnt posses the ability to make it happen then your argueing a losing battle.. if your argueing that our own leaders are on the moral pedestal and wouldnt ever do something so horrid then you would be foolish..

You really got me fucked up right here. Haha. I am not allowed, as a felon, to carry guns. Doesnt mean I cant or dont. In fact for all the bangin you done, I could never, ever even get a level 1 security clearance.

oh, my record is far from squeeky clean bro.. if it werent for the lack of employees at my job they would have let me go a long time ago.. my boss even hinted at that once..

Tryin to tag everyone who believes the "mainstream" 9/11 story as a robot and a simp is a large and very presumptuous undertaking.

oh, by all meanz, point out to me where i have ever called anybody a simp or a robot for believeing the lies being spoon fed to them.. dont get it twisted tho, there ARE people out there who watch mainstream news and preach it as the gospel..

So basically you're on here tryin to spread knowledge, and thats your response. However, I still believe that you put me, you, or the most conservative Republican on this board in the same situation and we would react in a similar way, perhaps more similar then you and I compared with random people on the street.

i wouldnt doubt it... however, instead of waiting for the shit to hit the fan to do something about it im all about prevention..

What I'm sort of failing to state very well is this; all the knowledge and beliefs you have about 9/11, the nature of the world, and who is responsible, there wouldnt be a major difference had you believed 'my' version, or should you care less even about 9/11 and the state of world affairs in general.

im having a hard time understanding what your trying to say, but i think i got the general idea... in our day to day lives, in our daily routine, we are no diffrent.. we live, eat, breath, shit and sleep.. we put our pants on one leg at a time.. we are both proud, out-spoken and passionate people... there would be hardly any diffrences in character between someone who beleives the officals story and someone who believes it was an inside job.. i agree..


HOWEVER..

read through your past posts concerning these topics and you will realize that YOU.. not I, have been making general statements on someones character for believeing that it was inside job.. 'tin foil hats' 'nut jobs' 'wackos' 'conspiracy wierdos'...etc etc.

 

[Syko Sniper]

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[ValleyPainProduct]

What I'm sort of failing to state very well is this; all the knowledge and beliefs you have about 9/11, the nature of the world, and who is responsible, there wouldnt be a major difference had you believed 'my' version, or should you care less even about 9/11 and the state of world affairs in general.

you are right to a certain extent but not really.....it does matter cuz if they lie to us about this then they most likely lie about everything....if they take it this far to make a world they want then we need to be aware of everything around us and how it also pertains to the bigger picture.......why do the police behave in certain ways???? why are they trained to harrass certain people???? why is the poor school in a poor neighbordhood wit mostly minorities getting less funding then the rich school in the rich neighborhood wit mostly white kids???? why are most of the poor minority kids wit poor schooling more likely to end up in prison???? why are there more prisons being built????? why are they mostly corporate owned???? why was my apartment complex bought by the city then leased to a corporation wit assistance of a housing AUTHORITY???? why do they bring in "security" patrols to "secure" our safety when i never felt in danger in the 1st place????? why do corporations even exist to begin wit?????

it all ties together man.....maybe your life has been great enough to not have to worry about any of this and thas good for you....ignorance is bliss they say......but a lot of us go through everyday struggles that we as humans shouldnt have to suffer and its all because of another human or group of humans controlling our lives.....the 1st step in changing that is becoming aware and helping others realize it too......

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

why do the police behave in certain ways???? why are they trained to harrass certain people????

If a certain group disproportionately commits more crimes, they will recieve disproportionate attention. Not to say that police racism or profiling is right or justified, but if more crime occurs in certain areas, then it is only logical that more police would abound. If you were a police chief, would you evenly spread cops around the city to be more fair or would you put them where the crime is?

why is the poor school in a poor neighbordhood wit mostly minorities getting less funding then the rich school in the rich neighborhood wit mostly white kids????

1. In rich neighborhoods the parents often contribute to public schooling in the form of bake sales, sponsorship, etc. Schools in higher income areas often put on any number of events designed to bring in revenue, and the parents show up.

2. In rich neighborhoods there is usually a much larger income and property tax base. However, it goes both ways. There are some upper class suburbs with schools funded worse than lower and middle class towns because the upper class cities are completely residential and had no business tax revenue.

Schools recieve equal state funding on a per-student basis. But local schools' real bread and butter comes from city and country revenues, and that is where the discrepancy lies.

why are most of the poor minority kids wit poor schooling more likely to end up in prison????

One of any large number of factors. And this phenomenon (poor minorities being railroaded and turning to crime) is NOT unique to the US. In fact minorities here have a better chance than minorities in many African, Asian, and some European countries.

why are there more prisons being built?????

Do you not pay attention to the news? California prisons are overcrowded.

why are they mostly corporate owned????

In many cases the private sector performs better than the government. If all prisons were government owned that would be a different sort of beef that y'all would have with the system.

why was my apartment complex bought by the city then leased to a corporation wit assistance of a housing AUTHORITY????

I dont know. Maybe the corporation paid better than HUD would have. Maybe money from the lease is going into public housing programs. Maybe the city said "fuck it, we need to fix the sewer" and leased the complex.

why do they bring in "security" patrols to "secure" our safety when i never felt in danger in the 1st place?????

So what they are spying on you with security patrols?

And I would bet 99% of the residents would have preferred security patrols to none. Are you saying nothing went down before they got there?

why do corporations even exist to begin wit?????

Hahaha.

it all ties together man.....maybe your life has been great enough to not have to worry about any of this and thas good for you....

I grew up with crack dealers on my front porch and a dope house next door. My house got broken into at least 6 times. When I was 9 someone put a ladder to my window and tried to climb in while I looked at them like "what are you doing". If I heard a whistle followed by "Hey Huero!" I had to run home. Until I was about 13 I couldnt be out after 7.

The difference between me and the people I grew up with was not "race", "privilege", or "advantage", it was my mentality.

ignorance is bliss they say.....the 1st step in changing that is becoming aware and helping others realize it too......

I've known people to whom everything was a conspiracy all my life. They honestly look at their lives and their neighborhoods and point out a million reasons why they cant or couldnt do this or that, or this person stopped them from this or that, when in fact it was all in their hands.

The difference between them and people who succeed is the ability to take responsibility for their life and their situation and say, "I WILL do this. It is up to me." Or you can just point out that racism kept you from a job, the police harassing you caused you to get locked up, the powers that be closed down your neighborhood store, etc.

This "government control", "open your eyes" movement is yet another way for people to make excuses for failure. Even if it is ALL true, it will likely in practice do nothing more than cause more people to point at something and say "that right there is why I go nowhere."

 

[ValleyPainProduct]

you took my questions way to litteral.....i didnt need an answer for each one.....and you said you didnt have time or cared to debate this.....lol......i already knew those answers anyways but i asked those questions because they all have one simple answer......CUZ ITS ALL PLANNED OUT THIS WAY.......i was tryin to tell you to look at the whole thing and how those lil things are connected.....it must of gone above your head though.....

i dont use it as an excuse.....a lot of people do though.....i feel that pointing it out will stop the excuses and somethin will actually get done to change it......callin it an "excuse" and leaving it at that is jus helpin the situation worsen not get better......

 

[ValleyPainProduct]

and for the record the security team that was hired to patrol my apartements was pretty much hired to "spy" on us.......they asked too many questions that werent thier business......they were seen performing illegal searches on people and thier property.....they were caught by peoples doors and windows tryin to look in and listen to conversations.....and no they were not welcomed BY ANYONE that lives here......we had a meeting the other mornin and everyone had complaints about the security and the "job" they were sent in to do......as a result a few of the gaurds have been put on suspension and the housing authority is seekin a whole new company to contract for security.....

and all cuz I SAID SOMETHING......most people were scared to voice thier opinion or jus ready to accept the "prison-like" rules and attiitude set by these gaurds and until i brought up the things i witnessed no one seemed to want to mention it.....after i said my piece everyone else all a sudden had somethin to say.....and it made somethin happen......

if we as individuals dont speak our minds and encourage others to speak thiers then the rest will keep following the "leaders" and go right off a cliff.......