Loose Change! A MUST WATCH VIDEO!

Fucky McFuckerson · Jun 18, 2006

What should we debate?Pancakes?Toyota vs Honda?Ear buds vs Headphones?

Dont you have a wife to go fuck or something?

this1guy · Jun 19, 2006

Oh Coy!Ocerto said:

What a chump......Oh Coy Ocerto? How slick........you're a regular cut up.
Don't you have a brain to ruin, Oh Coy?

this1guy · Jun 19, 2006

Oh Coy!Ocerto said:

Chump.....you have nothing on me, you're suspect of being a commie.......Commies are garbage. Not one true thinking person would fall for commie yin yang. Dumb asses with pamper complexes are commies.

Eternal Designs · Jun 19, 2006

Oh Coy!Ocerto said:

I've seen just about every 9/11 film out there. Most of them are full of disinfo with some actual truth sprinkled in. This is the MO of the CIA/intelligence agent provocatiers. This is how they poison the actual truth from being accepted as such by the public at large. They get the truth seekers to start believing and get vocal about a piece of info that is fabricated and then when it is proven to be false there is no longer any credability behind any statements they make no matter how true. This what they did to poison the Garrison JFK trial.

Loose Change has some valid points when it comes to the collapses of WTC 1, 2 & 7. But when it comes to flight 93 and the Pentagon the filmmaker jumps to conclusions that have no basis in fact. Granted the 2nd Edition of Loose Change did correct some of the glaring disinfo (namely the whole pod theory) that was mostly a repackaging of In Plane Site. When it come to the events of 9/11 you must concentrate on the PROVABLE FACTS. A lot of these films make wild conclusions which are nothing more than opinion or wild claims which serve just to spur sales. The fact is, until the government decides to release Quality footage from the many cameras recording the pentagon the public will never know for sure what hit the pentagon. Focusing on what you can't prove is a waste of resources. Ditto with Flight 93. The many facts from Flight 93 lean towards it being shot down by the Air Force. This is one of the many areas Loose Change fails. Which is why I suggest watching The Truth and Lies of 9/11 it doesn't go into unprovable opinion of what happened, just what can be backed up by official documents, statements and evidence.

How many of you actually go out and investigate any of the claims any of these films make? Or do you just take their word for it? I know its just easier to believe the fancy graphics and nice soundtrack. But thats the same as taking the propaganda that gets spewed from the talking heads on local & cable TV and movies at face value. With any big event you always have to be on the lookout for disinfo agents and those who just are trying to make a quick buck and not spread truth.

How many of you know that in the last few weeks new evidence of cutting charges has been found on the WTC steel, proving it was taken down delibertly by controlled demolition?

Oh Coy!Ocerto said:

My post is suspect? Why because I research what is in these films? Because I don't unilaterly praise Loose Change without bringing up its faults? Have you actually looked for the documents and statements citied in these films? Or do you just believe they exist because they say they do?

Bush is not the mastermind behind 9/11. He is just another NWO puppet. To understand who controls the world check out Monoply Men, The Money Masters & Capilist Conpiracy. Bill Gates isn't the richest man in the world. He's not even worth 1/10th the amount of the Rothchilds, Rockafellers and Morgans.

Oh Coy!Ocerto said:

Did you actually read my post? There is no doubt in my mind that 9/11 was an inside job. But is does none of us any good to concentrate on things that can't be proven. Take a look at Professor Steven E. Jones' site to see what peer reviewed research into the FACTS of 9/11 looks like. Stop giving your traffic to the 9/11 disinfo sites.

Fucky McFuckerson · Jun 19, 2006

Eternal Designs said:

And hwo do YOU know what the truth is?

Its called a theory...and like he PROOVED....757's DONT vaporize in thin air....

True....

And?Why was it taken down?To create more fear....

No...you sounded like a review for a movie....

The world is run by the Masons...its no secret...

Great.

DJ Coma · Jun 19, 2006

Yo Eternal Designs, thanks for the heads up about Loose Change and the torrent link to this other 9/11 movie. Could you maybe provide torrent links for those documentaries on the economy? That would be dope. I'll watch all those and develop my own opinion and come back and let you know what I think.

Eternal Designs · Jun 19, 2006

DJ Coma said:

Fo sho'. Thats what everyone needs to do. Look at the info all these films/websites present and form your OWN opinion. Some of them you can find on Google Video as well. I have all these films but most of them are DVD images so they are too big to send via any of the file hosts.

Federal Reserve/Economy/Corporations
Monopoly Men Torrent Google Video
The Money Masters Torrent Google Video Part 1 Part 2
Capitalist Conpiracy YouSendIt
America From Fredom to Facism (Just the extended trailer) Google Video
The Corporation Torrent

9/11 Related
Denial Stops Here torrent
Truth and Lies of 9/11 torrent Google Video
Perspective on 9/11 Google
9/11 Road to Tyranny Torrent Google
Martial Law 9/11 Torrent Google
9/11 Redux

Oil/Iraq
The Oil Factor Torrent

Other
Ammo for the Info Warrior torrent
Crack The CIA
Police State 2000 (covers 1999 Operation Urban Warrior) Google
Bush Boys

Eternal Designs · Jun 19, 2006

Oh Coy!Ocerto said:

I don't. But I don't take any crackpot theory at face value. I try to investigate the various claims to see if they are just opinion or are backed up by documentation. And if I find new creditable evidence that contrdicts my opinion I will change it.

Oh Coy!Ocerto said:

Well he didn't PROVE anything. He made wild conclusions based on opinion. From the evidence and official documents & statements the plane was most likely shot down by the Air Force.

Oh Coy!Ocerto said:

You've got part of it right. But why do they need to crreate fear? To make the public ASK for the Government to give them security by taking away liberties turning the US into a Totalitarian depotism. Since the first attempt in '93 didn't go as planned they needed to ensure they came down so as to make it as tramatizing as possible and to create a visable scar. #7 was most likely the control room and needed to be destroyed.

Oh Coy!Ocerto said:

Didn't mean to but that is one of the only UNBIASED movies I've seen. He doesn't talk about anything that can't be backed up by fact.

Oh Coy!Ocerto said:

Partly true. The free masons were infiltrated by the Illuminati in the 1780's. Free masonary is only one of the rings of the Illuminati/NWO/Globalists. Some of the others include the CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg Group, Bohemian Grove. Who controls these groups at the top? The super wealthy elite (Rothchilds, Rockerfellers, Morgans, Queen of England, etc). Most masons not of the 33rd degree aren't aware of any nefarious activity of their group and each ring of each of these groups thinks they are the top most ring.

Fucky McFuckerson · Jun 19, 2006

Eternal Designs said:

Then how come eyewitness's had 3 differnt stories?And if it DID get shot down..then how did it do SOOO much damage to the Pentagon?That was no plane....shot down or NOT...a plane did NOT do that damage...

Eternal Designs · Jun 19, 2006

Oh Coy!Ocerto said:

I was refering to Flight 93. With the Pentagon I'm sure something hit it. Now if it was a 757 or a smaller plane we'll never know for sure until they release the security footage. Now as far as the eyewitnesses you have to take eyewitness testimony with a grain of salt. Ask any lawyer or prosecutor how dependable it is. Usually when you witness an event, especially a tramatizing one, your brain will distort your memory of it. Also as you hear other accounts of the event you tend to alter what you saw. It then will become real to you and no matter what is presented to you, you will not sway from your account.

Also there were eyewitnesses that stated they saw peoples faces clearly in the windows of the plane. That is just plain impossible. The plane was at full throttle which means it was traveling at around 400 knotts (around 550mph). There is know way a human can see details of an object traveling that fast. And a plane could have done that damage. There is a video online that demonstrates this. I will try to find it. But from what I've read from pilots and other people knowledgable of larger jetliners I'm pretty certain no human could of performed the manuevers required to of hit the Pentagon like it was.

There are just too many things that can't be proven one way or the other in regards to the Pentagon and to a certain extent with Flight 93. Which is why I choose to focus on the three implosions in NYC. I already know there was government involvement with the Pentagon and Flight 93. I don't need to try to figure out all the details as we might not ever find out. Its like when the mob orders a hit. It may never be known who actually did the dirty work and is less important. But finding out who ordered the hit and is "the boss" is what matters. So I don't find it productive to argue over it was this or it wasn't that. The bottomline is we we hit and there is no doubt government involvement. This little bickering within the truth movement is what they want. Its to get those who know the truth to focus on something else. Its what has been used throughout history and especially in the last 50 years to stop popular movements.

Fucky McFuckerson · Jun 19, 2006

Eternal Designs said:

The wont....and if they DO...theyll do some "photoshop" shit to "plant" a fantom plane in there...you know it and i know it...

Now,let me state my position in this...i knew from the DAY this shit happened...somethin was fishy...i knew Bush had something to do with this shit....and ive ran things through my head about what it could be about....and what it meant for the future of this country with HIM in office..

Now that you know that...i want you to tell me...what in the Loose Change,by YOUR knowledge, is incorrect?And why....

Eternal Designs · Jun 19, 2006

Oh Coy!Ocerto said:

Actually I believe the whole Pentagon debate to be a honeypot set up by those behind 9/11 to be sprung at a later date to discredit the whole truth movement. They did the exact same thing during the Garrison JFK trial that served to discredit anyone coming forward with real truth. It also cemented the term conspiracy theorist in the public's mind as with crackpots/lunatics.

Oh Coy!Ocerto said:

I'm glad you saw through the lies since day one. Its always good to remain skeptical of huge events like this. But you're slightly wrong by focusing all your energy on just Bush. Clinton was just as bad and did just as many unamerican things. Bush has just upted it a notch in order to try to make sure the Central Banks get their New World Order by 2010. This includes a world government loss of sovernty and total enslavement for 90% of the world. If you want to know what's coming take a look at the EU and Communist China. When Bush is gone and is replaced by the puppert democrat I hope you're just as mad.

Oh Coy!Ocerto said:

“It would seem that an entire plane disappeared upon impact.”
Answer – Many documented plane crash sites leave virtually no large debris.
“So what could blow a 16 foot hole in the outer ring of the Pentagon . . . A cruise missile.”
Answer – Wrong. A Boeing 757 could.
“Why is the damage to the Pentagon completely inconsistent with a Boeing 757?”
Answer - It’s not, the first floor hole is over 90’ wide.
“So if Flight 93 didn’t go down in Shanksville, then where? You ready for this? Cleveland.”
Answer – Flt 93 was most likely shot down.
“Flight 93 passengers were taken to an empty NASA research center.”
This is pure speculation mixed with information from a real flight which landed, Delta 1989.
“If different planes were used, what happened to the original ones?”
Answer - There is no evidence that anything but the real planes were used in any the attacks.
“So what happened in the North Tower? Ask Willie Rodriguez. . . . explosions coming from the basement . . .”
Answer – even though were some explosions in the basement and lobby, we know the towers collapsed from the top down as controlled demolition utilizes gravity to do most of the work.

Although LC2E does have some misinfo in it, it does have a lot of valid points. But as a film to show someone skeptical of wrongdoing by the gov on 9/11 it would be the wrong one for a 1st film. Mainly because the valid points will be disregarded as false as well.

Fucky McFuckerson · Jun 19, 2006

Eternal Designs said:

I think he was referring to the fact that...for SUCH a large plane and crash...the debris was still very little...and he even showed SIMILAR crashes where you could seeplenty of debris and even the outter casing of a large plane

And he was saying that the wings and top wing in the rear would ALSO leave marks...enough to make MORE than must a 16 foot hole...i would like you to prove this...as he proved his facts by backing of experts...

And did you see the LAST hole it left?Round...he explained how the TIP of a plane...is the FIRST to go in a crassh...its the softest part of the plane...even softer then the TIRES....yet the hole looks like it was "pierced"

Didnt he document that a flight 93 landed in Cleveland that day?I coulds sworn it even showed it on some airflight document from the AIRPORT

Again...he said that 2 planes landed within 30 minutes of eachother..one took 30 minutes to evacuate(flight 93)...and an hour and a half (Delta 89)...he also notes later inthe film that the 2 planes in the Tower crashes were logged as "destroyed" on flight sheets...but 93 and 11 were listed as something else....as they are still intact AND flying..

This is still up in the air....

I found this a bit strange as well...but maybe the explsion had something to do with the carrying away of 320 Billion dollars in gold by a "unmarked covered truck"...

I could be wrong...and even though i just watched it 2 nights ago....i may have to go back and watch it to comfirm these things....but i think my memory stands correct because those things you mentioned were the most shocking....

BTW...im watching the Ruppert speech now....i luv how this guy is exposing the drug/economy thing...something ive been preaching for many moons...its no secret....

Eternal Designs · Jun 19, 2006

Oh Coy!Ocerto said:

You have to remember the Pentagon was built during WWII on the cheap when steel and other premium building materials were in short supply. Although they just happened to hit the side which was reinforced. Here's a couple links to videos of a F4 fighter crashing into concrete.
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Here's a thread on another site which goes in depth into anaylising the 'evidence' at the Pentagon and concludes with a 757 hitting it.
Here's another thread from the same site against a 757 hitting the Pentagon.

I'm still in the I'm not quite sure either way but something ain't right and I know the gov is behind it phase. I still believe the whole Pentagon issue is a honeypot. Which I why I think people ought to focus on the WTC collapses where there is a abundance of evidence.

Either argument I think is moot. Both sides are using "evidence" they obtained from major media which is admittadly controlled by the CIA. And the most highly protected airspace and building were attacked and NO ONE was fired. Either way there is government complicity. The argument serves to distract.

Yes 2 flights landed in cleavland. All I see is a wild opinion with no facts to back it up. And I believe I read just in the last week (I think on whatreallyhapped.com) where this specific claim was proven false. All passengers were accounted for from both flights. Now the claim about 2 of the planes not being listed as destroyed until last year was interesting. But it could be a clerical error. But being that all four were so infamous that seems hard to believe.

Could be, but I thought the gold was under 8 WTC, but I could be wrong on that. If you wanna hear a really crazy theory the guy behind the 9/11 eyewitness film claims a thermonuclear bomb was used! Kinda complete BS since WTC 1, 2 & 7 came straight down from the top. And radiation would've been detected in the US, UK and EU

Remeber just because they're shocking doesn't mean they're true...or false for that matter. In this age with the excellent MiniDV camera and cheap computers/software it is much cheaper and easier to produce a film. Which means you have to scrutinize them much more. Also remember TV and Film are the #1 tool used to form opinion and spread propaganda. I bet half the time you don't even know when you're seeing it. But once you learn what to look for it just jumps off the screen at you.

FYI he's the guy who first broke the CIA/LAPD/Iran Contra/Crack connection. Along with Gary Webb 20 years later. If you go to GNN and watch their short on the CIA crack connection 'Crack the CIA' he's in that as well.

Fucky McFuckerson · Jun 20, 2006

I will admit...dude came with great facts....

Im still teetering on whether this was even a "foreign" terroist act...

I cant confirm whether the Loose Change cat is being honest on the whole "9 of the 16 9/11 hijackers are alive and well today....and baffles at how they bacame the headliners"....wouldnt you think these hijackers HAD jobs BEFORE this shit was going down?

"Look who it is Frank,its Mohammed"

"Mohammed from the engineering department?"

"Yeah, hes dead appearntly"

"Thats funny...i just had lunch with him on Friday!"

I dont know about all that...but if THAT is true....then that dispells ANY "foreign" terroist attack and SOLIDIFIES an inside job that is MUCH more elaborate than first thought by ANYONE....were talkin remote controls,major set ups and more lies than one can even stomach....

All i know is...the whole "Hitler" mentality that the US has going right now(as pointed out by Micheal Ruppert from the book he read quotes from)...its going to be a rocky road for the next decade....greed for wealth and ULTIMATE power...will be the US governments downfall....

A revolution happened once in US history...its gonna happen again....there are too many people in the US that hold true to their feelings...whether it be right wing OR left wing...shits gonna explode on a level that might drive some people insane...LITERALLY....

Fucky McFuckerson · Jun 20, 2006

Eternal Designs said:

Loose Change defuses the idea of it being a 757 due to the engine not matching that of the Rolls Royce engine that 757's carry...they(RR) say it wasnt one of thiers...

Eternal Designs · Jun 20, 2006

Oh Coy!Ocerto said:

I heard other people talk about 7-9 of the 'Highjackers' are still alive. Its been admitted by Robert Mueller (former head of FBI) [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]"that the identity of several of the suicide hijackers is in doubt".
I just found this site that claims to debunk the claims made in LC2E. The guy even made his own version with his rebuttals onscreen. I haven't had the time to go through it, but he uses a LC2E reviers guide which I did try to read through but stopped about 1/3 the way due to blatent BS. I think it was put out by the truth movement debunkers. Maybe fun to watch anyways. I read/watch opinions from both sides.
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I believe the book he was reading from was Crossing the Rubicon which he wrote. If you really want to get chills compare the march to Nazism from the early 30's to the seize of power to the Us and specifically the Bush administration from 2001 - now. 9/11 was our Reitstag fire. I remember reading a page on a site a few years ago that did just that and we are lock step together with Germany in becoming a dictatorship. The first American Revolution was started by less than 6%of the population. The second one can be started the same way. If only1% of the US population rose up that would be almost 3 Million. We could have our country back in a day. Which is why they are making preparations to make sure that doesn't happen. FEMA has been building concentration camps for 20 years which they now admit openly. FEMA recruiting pastors/priests/churches to advocate not fighting against Gov, trusting gov, to take ID chips, National IDs, etc in exchange for Workers comp, food, etc in the next big disaster/event. Look at Katrina. That was a drill for martial law. FEMA was cutting communication lines. They were confiscating law-abiding citizens weapons. I think they're going to use the illegals to spark some sort of mass race riot and let it go on for a while and then come in with their solution of martial law. Plus with an impending colapse of the US dollar and perhaps a GLOBAL DEPRESSION on the order of 100 times worse than the Great Depression, (if you don't believe me check out gold/silver prices which are at a 20 ear high) it may be time to head for the hills like red dawn.

Fucky McFuckerson · Jun 20, 2006

Eternal Designs said:

The book was called "The Grand Chessgame" i believe?It was written by an ex-whitehouse guy....i cant remember all the details...i ended up groggin through the last half hour of the speech...i was exhausted from a long day....but the book basically pointed out the US takin over EuroAsia with no resistance from Russia(thus the Cold War being over such a big victory for the US)....the author basically breaks down that Asia is the ONLY country standing in the US' way of world dominance....and China has the BIGGEST untapped oil reserve on the planet...along with TONS of gold...and that China is in a oil crisis at the moment...this the 1500 mile pipe line to the Caspian sea they have been masterminding for the last 5 years....

GOD=Gold Oil Drugs

^^^This is what makes our economy spin right here...this is also the gateway to world dominance...you control all of those...no one can stop you....

Eternal Designs · Jun 20, 2006

Oh Coy!Ocerto said:

Ok now I remember. I had been a little while since I last watched it. The Grand Chessboard is by Zbigniew Brzezinski who founded the Trilateral Commission along with David Rockefeller. He was also National Security Advisor under President Carter. What version of True of Lies did you see? There is a 2004 DVD version which has updates from when the original speech was given. The one thing I don't like about that film is he isn't miked properly and there is a lot of feedback and his audio drops out at times. But would you agree its an excellent film to show someone still not open to government complicity?

Checkout Capitalist Conspiracy. Its a short film adapted from a filmstrip presentation from the late 70's but still has quite a bit of relevant info. It connects the dots of the Illuminati, CFR, Trilateral Commission, Central banks/Federal Reserve, communism and anti-establishment revolutionary groups.

Fucky McFuckerson · Jun 20, 2006

Eternal Designs said:

Im not sure which version i saw...its whatever version you linked me through via Google...but i was very intrigued...

im surprised Mr.Ruppert hasnt gone "missing" due to all the shit he knows....although its unfortunate his 2 buddies wound up differently(dead,poverty)...im quite surprised more of that doesnt go on...im sure it does,but never gets the light of day....

I appreciate all the knowledge youve dropped...when i have time...im gonna check out a few of the newer things youve posted...

Viva La Resistance!:angry:

Loose Change! A MUST WATCH VIDEO!

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