LOL @ the Raiders
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Al Davis is THE only one in both the Hall of Fame, and Shame. I`ll give the cat credit for what he did for the NFL back in the late 60`s. He used to be one of the greatest minds the game has ever known. But that was long ago. His time has surpassed him just like the bowl haircuts, butterfly collars and bell-bottoms of the 1970`s. Dude better get with the times.
Look what he`s done since he had "Chucky" as HC. NOTHING! The only team in the NFL w/o a GM. Now that`s genius! And the only team in NFL history to go from 1st to worst.
And to clarify your stats you want to throw out there, here`s the bottom line:
49ers - 5 -0 in the Super Bowl/ 17 Div Titles/ 21 playoff appearances
Raiders - 3-5 in the Super Bowl/ 13 Div Titles/ 18 playoff appearances
Before you get to smacking your chops again, you might want to learn your own facts. You`re not speaking to some new booty. Birth cert. states 1975 on it, and also states Oakland,CA. Try again.
Look what he`s done since he had "Chucky" as HC. NOTHING! The only team in the NFL w/o a GM. Now that`s genius! And the only team in NFL history to go from 1st to worst.
And to clarify your stats you want to throw out there, here`s the bottom line:
49ers - 5 -0 in the Super Bowl/ 17 Div Titles/ 21 playoff appearances
Raiders - 3-5 in the Super Bowl/ 13 Div Titles/ 18 playoff appearances
Before you get to smacking your chops again, you might want to learn your own facts. You`re not speaking to some new booty. Birth cert. states 1975 on it, and also states Oakland,CA. Try again.
@CNI
you did list some facts that cant be disputed. but this 2009. lets break down the 49ers the last 4 or so years, shall we?
i'm not sure what year mike nolan was brought in by the YORKS, but he was an unproven coach that not only was given the reigns as head coach but also was playing the part of G.M. A. Smith was drafted #1 and we all know how that went. no need to re-explain. your genius head coach/GM seemed to have the team progressing and actually had the analysts and the fans looking forward to getting back to winning football only to regress back to the CELLAR. a little promise here and there still hasnt equaled a playoff appearance. during this run you drafted V. Davis, who hasnt panned out. the only #1 pick that plays at a high level is willis. you guys have went through a new offensive coordinator every year. then last year you bring in martz, who runs a passing offense neglecting gore. oh yeah, what was the name of that truck who started the season as #1 QB? i remember, o'sullivan. the only QB on your roster that EARNED the starting job(HILL) isnt even named the #1 QB still. Nolan was fired and you guys brought in singletary. the man has the credibility, but that doesnt mean he will be good coach. only time will tell that. just LIKE the raiders, you guys finished the season strong under the intern coach. YOU ARENT STUPID LIKE SOME OF THESE OTHER IDIOTS. LETS BE REAL HERE! THE RAIDER AND NINER FANS REALLY CANT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ONE ANOTHER. WE BOTH HAVE BEEN RAN TO THE GROUND!
*edit* per savage's kind remarks.
you did list some facts that cant be disputed. but this 2009. lets break down the 49ers the last 4 or so years, shall we?
i'm not sure what year mike nolan was brought in by the YORKS, but he was an unproven coach that not only was given the reigns as head coach but also was playing the part of G.M. A. Smith was drafted #1 and we all know how that went. no need to re-explain. your genius head coach/GM seemed to have the team progressing and actually had the analysts and the fans looking forward to getting back to winning football only to regress back to the CELLAR. a little promise here and there still hasnt equaled a playoff appearance. during this run you drafted V. Davis, who hasnt panned out. the only #1 pick that plays at a high level is willis. you guys have went through a new offensive coordinator every year. then last year you bring in martz, who runs a passing offense neglecting gore. oh yeah, what was the name of that truck who started the season as #1 QB? i remember, o'sullivan. the only QB on your roster that EARNED the starting job(HILL) isnt even named the #1 QB still. Nolan was fired and you guys brought in singletary. the man has the credibility, but that doesnt mean he will be good coach. only time will tell that. just LIKE the raiders, you guys finished the season strong under the intern coach. YOU ARENT STUPID LIKE SOME OF THESE OTHER IDIOTS. LETS BE REAL HERE! THE RAIDER AND NINER FANS REALLY CANT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ONE ANOTHER. WE BOTH HAVE BEEN RAN TO THE GROUND!
*edit* per savage's kind remarks.
I`m not going to lie, I thought Nolan might work out at first. The Yorks were idiotic to give that man too much say-so in personnel and we all see what happened with that. Alex Smith? I had to grab a new beer an almost needed a new tv after that pick. (as I`m sure most Raiders fans did over Heyward-Bey, but not saying so to defen big Al) I was hoping for Rodgers.
Norv Turner would have been solid for us, and might have kept Nolan around, but Martz? Another WTF! There have been quite a few moves that have not made sense to the fanbase, and that`s why I believe John finally had to turn over the job to his son. I`m leery of the kids age, but so far, it looks like that if they are going to stick around, the kid might be our best bet bcuz his dad is an idiot. But the main thing is, I can point out my teams flaws just as I can with the positives.
The Raiders look like they might be able to turn things around soon, but I have no faith Cable is that guy for you. As long as Davis keeps his nose too deep in day to day personnel operations, I don`t like your odds. And just to clarify the past 4 years, yes we both have been an embarrassment to the bay, but the Raiders hold the worst record in the league over that span.
Norv Turner would have been solid for us, and might have kept Nolan around, but Martz? Another WTF! There have been quite a few moves that have not made sense to the fanbase, and that`s why I believe John finally had to turn over the job to his son. I`m leery of the kids age, but so far, it looks like that if they are going to stick around, the kid might be our best bet bcuz his dad is an idiot. But the main thing is, I can point out my teams flaws just as I can with the positives.
The Raiders look like they might be able to turn things around soon, but I have no faith Cable is that guy for you. As long as Davis keeps his nose too deep in day to day personnel operations, I don`t like your odds. And just to clarify the past 4 years, yes we both have been an embarrassment to the bay, but the Raiders hold the worst record in the league over that span.
@CNI
no doubt we both have been pretty embarassing. actually every single proffessional franchise in the bay area, we will even include the kings. i'm not familiar with the monarchs.
i definately could point out the raiders flaws as well. i think cable is right for the job because he is a raider at heart. only time will tell though. right on for keeping it PI. maybee you can rub off on some of these other idiots.
no doubt we both have been pretty embarassing. actually every single proffessional franchise in the bay area, we will even include the kings. i'm not familiar with the monarchs.
i definately could point out the raiders flaws as well. i think cable is right for the job because he is a raider at heart. only time will tell though. right on for keeping it PI. maybee you can rub off on some of these other idiots.
RAIDER$ & 9ER$ ONLY FLAW$ R THAT THEY NEED TO GET A BETTER LINE 2 IMPROVE THEIR QB'$.......................................................................
BOTH R GOIN THRU TOUGH TIME$
RAIDER$ R WHERE THE NINER'$ WE'RE 3 YEAR$ AGO................................
OVER THE CAP & OLD PLAYER$............................................................
MY $QUAD I$ ALMO$T TO THE POINT 2 BE A CONTENDER,
RAIDER$ NEED @ LEA$T A YEAR OR TWO
NOT HATING BU T$TATING WHAT I C!!!
BOTRH TEAM$ IMO FUKED UP IN NOT PICKING UP A TOP LINEMEN BUT O...WELL
WE'LL C WHAT HAPPEN$ IN AUGU$T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BOTH R GOIN THRU TOUGH TIME$
RAIDER$ R WHERE THE NINER'$ WE'RE 3 YEAR$ AGO................................
OVER THE CAP & OLD PLAYER$............................................................
MY $QUAD I$ ALMO$T TO THE POINT 2 BE A CONTENDER,
RAIDER$ NEED @ LEA$T A YEAR OR TWO
NOT HATING BU T$TATING WHAT I C!!!
BOTRH TEAM$ IMO FUKED UP IN NOT PICKING UP A TOP LINEMEN BUT O...WELL
WE'LL C WHAT HAPPEN$ IN AUGU$T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the raiders are really young. actually i'd think in the top 5 in terms of youth. no doubt line play seperates the good and bad teams on both sides of the ball. the raiders addressed some needs during free agency bringing in some o-linemen.our offseason has been suprisingly good. but as far as the niners being a contender, i just dont see it. imo, for a team to be a contender you need to know who your QB is going into the pre season. not saying it cant happen, but alot of answers will be answered for both teams come september.
Minicamp practice recap
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, May 9th, 2009 at 1:52 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Highlights from Saturday morning’s minicamp session:
– The good news was only one fumbled center snap between Jeff Garcia and Chris Morris at 11:05 a.m.
As for the rest of the session, it continued to look like football in May for the Raiders passing game _ not very good, but given the time of year, still a few months shy of panic in the streets.
– Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey at one point dropped three consecutive passes, with Garcia lecturing him on “short-term memory and putting the mistakes out of his mind.
Heyward-Bey was being worked on by trainers, pointing to his right hamstring for a possible cramp, but later returned to the field.
– Passing game coordinator Ted Tollner continued to lecture the wide receivers as a group about their precision in route running. At one point, Johnnie Lee Higgins cut a route short but still managed to reach behind him for a juggling catch.
“No, no, no,” Tollner said. “Helluva catch, though Jon. Don’t cut them short.”
– The first scuffle of camp broke out between Morris and Isaiah Ekejiuba, and it was so uninspired it was almost not worth mentioning.
– JaMarcus Russell, continuing to get pretty much equal work along with Garcia and Bruce Gradkowski, spent most of the session throwing too high, too far and too shallow, although to be fair, it’s hard to determine if receivers are always in the right places.
It’s also possible Russell is simply trying to be too fine in terms of placement rather than just letting the ball go, much like a pitcher who continually falls behind in the count because he’s shooting for the corners.
Russell conceded many of his passes, particularly later in the session, needed some work and that he was happy with his progress.
– One ill-advised pass lofted toward tight end Chris O’Neill resulted in a collision with Darrick Brown in which Brown was led off the field. O’Neal wound up taking a knee once he got back to his position group to recuperate.
– Gradkowski continued to get a lot of work while Andrew Walter was a spectator. Seeing Gradkowski short-hop receivers on dig routes 15 to 18 yard downfield with a clear window, you wonder if he’s got he arm for some of the throws in the offense.
– On at least two occasions, linemen at the point of attack commited violations, then simply went back to their side of the line, the ball was snapped, and the play went on as if nothing happened. It happened on offense with Khalif Barnes at left tackle, and on defense when Tommy Kelly jumped early, made contact, then went back to his spot.
Normally, when such penalties occur, the teams are brought back to the huddle or start the play over, recognizing that an error had been made. Offenders even ran laps last year.
– Admittedly against an offensive line that can’t cut block or fully engage, Kelly appears to be getting consistent penetration at tackle. Terdell Sands also appears to be in better condition.
– Wide receiver Javon Walker discussed his decision to have surgery, said he played in pain all of last season and was at about 65 percent effieciency. He looks forward to competing pain-free and praised the current group of wide receivers. More to come on this topic later . . .
– Will also have more from Garcia regarding his impressions of Russell and his designated role as mentor. Garcia let fly a choice expletive on a few occasions when his passes misfired. He did most of his best work on the move, catching running backs in stride after scrambling then moving up in the pocket.
– With Walker and Arman Shields (knee) still out, former Raiders practice squad player Drisan James and Samie Parker were brought in on a tryout basis, team executive John Herrera said.
– Some interesting defensive looks _ John Bowie coming on a corner blitz with Hiram Eugene sliding over to take the receiver, Nnamdi Asomugha coming on a corner blitz, and Thomas Howard coming on a blitz.
A bold defensive strategy, or simply giving the offense work against a blitz?
The Raiders will never tell.
– Defensive end Derrick Burgess remained out of practice with towels draped over his head and around his shoulders.
– Left guard Robert Gallery, who missed the evening session Friday, started practice at left guard but did not finish. His left calf is wrapped in an elastic brace.
– Linebacker Ricky Brown, the strongside starter last year who played middle linebacker in both practices Friday, sat out Saturday’s first session. Brown had offseason surgery for a sports hernia.
–After O’Neill went to the ground on a pass pattern near the sideline following contact from second-round pick Mike Mitchell, defensive coordinator John Marshall said, “Mike, stay off him!”
– Russell did have one jaw-dropping throw _ a laser to Tony Stewart some 30 yards downfield on a line between two defenders.
– General impression of the energy, particularly early _ not very impressive. No real sense of urgency or excitement.
– More to come later after Tom Cable’s 2 p.m. press briefing . . .
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, May 9th, 2009 at 1:52 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Highlights from Saturday morning’s minicamp session:
– The good news was only one fumbled center snap between Jeff Garcia and Chris Morris at 11:05 a.m.
As for the rest of the session, it continued to look like football in May for the Raiders passing game _ not very good, but given the time of year, still a few months shy of panic in the streets.
– Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey at one point dropped three consecutive passes, with Garcia lecturing him on “short-term memory and putting the mistakes out of his mind.
Heyward-Bey was being worked on by trainers, pointing to his right hamstring for a possible cramp, but later returned to the field.
– Passing game coordinator Ted Tollner continued to lecture the wide receivers as a group about their precision in route running. At one point, Johnnie Lee Higgins cut a route short but still managed to reach behind him for a juggling catch.
“No, no, no,” Tollner said. “Helluva catch, though Jon. Don’t cut them short.”
– The first scuffle of camp broke out between Morris and Isaiah Ekejiuba, and it was so uninspired it was almost not worth mentioning.
– JaMarcus Russell, continuing to get pretty much equal work along with Garcia and Bruce Gradkowski, spent most of the session throwing too high, too far and too shallow, although to be fair, it’s hard to determine if receivers are always in the right places.
It’s also possible Russell is simply trying to be too fine in terms of placement rather than just letting the ball go, much like a pitcher who continually falls behind in the count because he’s shooting for the corners.
Russell conceded many of his passes, particularly later in the session, needed some work and that he was happy with his progress.
– One ill-advised pass lofted toward tight end Chris O’Neill resulted in a collision with Darrick Brown in which Brown was led off the field. O’Neal wound up taking a knee once he got back to his position group to recuperate.
– Gradkowski continued to get a lot of work while Andrew Walter was a spectator. Seeing Gradkowski short-hop receivers on dig routes 15 to 18 yard downfield with a clear window, you wonder if he’s got he arm for some of the throws in the offense.
– On at least two occasions, linemen at the point of attack commited violations, then simply went back to their side of the line, the ball was snapped, and the play went on as if nothing happened. It happened on offense with Khalif Barnes at left tackle, and on defense when Tommy Kelly jumped early, made contact, then went back to his spot.
Normally, when such penalties occur, the teams are brought back to the huddle or start the play over, recognizing that an error had been made. Offenders even ran laps last year.
– Admittedly against an offensive line that can’t cut block or fully engage, Kelly appears to be getting consistent penetration at tackle. Terdell Sands also appears to be in better condition.
– Wide receiver Javon Walker discussed his decision to have surgery, said he played in pain all of last season and was at about 65 percent effieciency. He looks forward to competing pain-free and praised the current group of wide receivers. More to come on this topic later . . .
– Will also have more from Garcia regarding his impressions of Russell and his designated role as mentor. Garcia let fly a choice expletive on a few occasions when his passes misfired. He did most of his best work on the move, catching running backs in stride after scrambling then moving up in the pocket.
– With Walker and Arman Shields (knee) still out, former Raiders practice squad player Drisan James and Samie Parker were brought in on a tryout basis, team executive John Herrera said.
– Some interesting defensive looks _ John Bowie coming on a corner blitz with Hiram Eugene sliding over to take the receiver, Nnamdi Asomugha coming on a corner blitz, and Thomas Howard coming on a blitz.
A bold defensive strategy, or simply giving the offense work against a blitz?
The Raiders will never tell.
– Defensive end Derrick Burgess remained out of practice with towels draped over his head and around his shoulders.
– Left guard Robert Gallery, who missed the evening session Friday, started practice at left guard but did not finish. His left calf is wrapped in an elastic brace.
– Linebacker Ricky Brown, the strongside starter last year who played middle linebacker in both practices Friday, sat out Saturday’s first session. Brown had offseason surgery for a sports hernia.
–After O’Neill went to the ground on a pass pattern near the sideline following contact from second-round pick Mike Mitchell, defensive coordinator John Marshall said, “Mike, stay off him!”
– Russell did have one jaw-dropping throw _ a laser to Tony Stewart some 30 yards downfield on a line between two defenders.
– General impression of the energy, particularly early _ not very impressive. No real sense of urgency or excitement.
– More to come later after Tom Cable’s 2 p.m. press briefing . . .
