(LINK)KANYE WEST NEW VIDEO "JESUS WALKS"
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Man, you need to sit in on a recording session. I actually just wrote a nice little essay on what goes in in the studio, BEFORE you hear the shit on the radio. If you have never experienced it, your above statement should have never been made. For a rapper to write a song that is IN DEPTH, that can touch the soul of another human being, is in fact an EXTREMELY difficult task. A rapper, actually ANY songwriter, must be descriptive, and use words that can make the entire song hit home.
Keep in mind, RAPPERS also win Grammy Awards, not just rock groups or pop stars. Go sit in on a REAL recording session involving rappers, SERIOUS RAPPERS, and then come back and make a statement about how easy it is for us to make a record. I know my average recording session is around 8 hours long, and that's not even mixing the shit.
Keep in mind, RAPPERS also win Grammy Awards, not just rock groups or pop stars. Go sit in on a REAL recording session involving rappers, SERIOUS RAPPERS, and then come back and make a statement about how easy it is for us to make a record. I know my average recording session is around 8 hours long, and that's not even mixing the shit.
You make a good point, but if you take the majority of *all* successful rap artists in the industry, more then likely they don't even break a sweat in the studio. Now a days, platinum albums are 80% beat, 15% features, and 5% lyrics. Im dead serious. Just imagine all these pretty little 15-21 year old girls and their preppy male counterparts (a *huge* part of these sales figures) sitting in their moms SUV playing some new age "hip-hop", what do you think they are hearing? It's just a catchy ass beat. I strongly believe that with the way consumers target their prefered artists, that a beat has almost everything to do with it, and everything else follows. Sure, they will sing along, know all the lyrics, but it doesn't matter what the content is, just as long as it's laced properly. A prime example of this is Lil John, he took an idea to make a beat, and made 4 beats out of it, and the guy blew up all over this country, and do you know a single word that he or anyone on his songs has said (aside from what Chapelle has mocked)? Now take an album that just so happens to be made by the lyrics contained in them, a lot of the times it is not the artist who even wrote the shit. Point being, most successful artists don't do shit but carry a name with an album that has been put together by someone else. The hardest working artists are those on this forum who put in long hours day and night writing shit down and perfecting their beat, only to sell a few thousand. But for the meainstream cats, I can only imagine Lil John walking into a studio, saying his played out catch phrases a few times on the mic, rearanging the *same* beat, and walking out with a fistfull of dollars. The same goes for other genres as well, like Nsync. They do not write any lyrics, they do not make any of their beats, they don't even create their own dance moves. They are just a "pretty" face with a voice (that has to be altered sometimes). Thats why the only music that I really like is Bay Area/Sacramento rap music, because that shit is put together properly. If you want to listen to some real shit, get Rappin Ron & Ant Diddly Dog - Bad'n'Fluenz, one of the best peices of work I have ever heard -- something that would get laughed at in the mainstream world.
In conclusion, I'll say this. Make me a beat, a *tight* ass beat, I'll go into the bathroom and record myself taking a shit over this beat, and watch me blow up.
Excuse the typos.
In conclusion, I'll say this. Make me a beat, a *tight* ass beat, I'll go into the bathroom and record myself taking a shit over this beat, and watch me blow up.
Excuse the typos.
I HEARD THE SONG BEFORE I SAW THE VIDEO. AFTER I HEARD THE SONG I LISTENED TO A COUPLE OF SONGS *AFTER* IT (ON THE CD).
THATS GREAT HOW YOU CAN GO FROM JESUS WALKS TO LETS GET HIGH AND SMOKE WEED (WHICH IS CONSIDERED A FORM OF *WITCHCRAFT/SORCERY* ACCORDING TO BIBLICAL TRANSLATIONS).
1.SATAN WALKS
2.LOOK OUT FOR "BIGGER THAN JESUS".......
:HGK:
THATS GREAT HOW YOU CAN GO FROM JESUS WALKS TO LETS GET HIGH AND SMOKE WEED (WHICH IS CONSIDERED A FORM OF *WITCHCRAFT/SORCERY* ACCORDING TO BIBLICAL TRANSLATIONS).
1.SATAN WALKS
2.LOOK OUT FOR "BIGGER THAN JESUS".......
:HGK:
My mom was tellin me about that dance and I told her she didn't know what she was talking about....hmmm young people.
I really liked this video, the imagery was powerful. I didn't really like the fire behind him when he was doing the solo performance. I'm just a Kanye fan in general....I respect his work....he's different from everyone else
I really liked this video, the imagery was powerful. I didn't really like the fire behind him when he was doing the solo performance. I'm just a Kanye fan in general....I respect his work....he's different from everyone else
You misunderstood me. Rap = rock = poetry = persuasive speaking. It's all one. Of course an artist who is already successful is going to have an easier time with their work being accepted - no one ever said that the most complex and thoughtful rap is ever the most successful. As a matter of fact it's usually the opposite. But anyways, if one is truly gifted, songs/words/ideas should flow easily. If creating music and product ara a neverending battle you wage against yourself, parehaps you're going about the wrong undertaking.
White Devil, ok, I see what you're saying. Yea, you know, it's really easy for me to write a song and record it, that takes about 15-20 minutes for me to drop an entire song. Maybe a couple hours to write it, because I'm picky about my words, but only 15-20 minutes to drop the actual lyrics. The hard work comes when you're arranging and shit, producing, mixing, evening out the vocals, all that. My bad though, I misunderstood you.
Nitro, you have a very valid point as well...but Successful rap artists these days are most of the time bullshit. Eminem I believe is the only true, hard working individual in this game right now. Dre said it himself, he doesn't fuck with cats unless they at least TRY to work as hard as he does. But you're right, it doesn't take much to make a hit record these days. Us underground cats are the ones that put in all the work and get overlooked. Underground cats probably create half the concepts you hear on the radio, but some mainstream cat took the shit and made it big, feel me? So yea, I totally agree with you. I was coming from my own perspective on shit, seeing how hard my folks and I work in a studio, sitting there for 25 hours straight making music, only stopping to eat pizza for 5 minutes.
I think it's time the game change. I'll try not to make this thread into a debate. Yea, Kanye West is tight, he brought a little bit of new shit to the table, he's not all about sittin in a club, watchin his rims spin and all that. So, to stay on topic, I like his shit, and Jesus Walks is a tight song....now I gotta go watch the video...my 2 cents on that at a later time.
Nitro, you have a very valid point as well...but Successful rap artists these days are most of the time bullshit. Eminem I believe is the only true, hard working individual in this game right now. Dre said it himself, he doesn't fuck with cats unless they at least TRY to work as hard as he does. But you're right, it doesn't take much to make a hit record these days. Us underground cats are the ones that put in all the work and get overlooked. Underground cats probably create half the concepts you hear on the radio, but some mainstream cat took the shit and made it big, feel me? So yea, I totally agree with you. I was coming from my own perspective on shit, seeing how hard my folks and I work in a studio, sitting there for 25 hours straight making music, only stopping to eat pizza for 5 minutes.
I think it's time the game change. I'll try not to make this thread into a debate. Yea, Kanye West is tight, he brought a little bit of new shit to the table, he's not all about sittin in a club, watchin his rims spin and all that. So, to stay on topic, I like his shit, and Jesus Walks is a tight song....now I gotta go watch the video...my 2 cents on that at a later time.
hey, if he won't post his I will post mine...LOL
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Tadou, if you get down to the nitty gritty, all music is poetry. If there is a rhyme scheme in it, it's a form of poetry, period!! Of course, we don't call it poetry because it has musical elements underlying it. So, we call it MUSIC!! If you were to spit a verse acapella, it would very much resemble poetry, would it not?
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Tadou, if you get down to the nitty gritty, all music is poetry. If there is a rhyme scheme in it, it's a form of poetry, period!! Of course, we don't call it poetry because it has musical elements underlying it. So, we call it MUSIC!! If you were to spit a verse acapella, it would very much resemble poetry, would it not?
I'm not impressed by the song (Jesus Walks) or the video. I am impressed by tadou's rapping skill tho
He is in my eyes the Miles Davis of rap if you will, alway pushing the envelope, his mind blowing subject matter ranges from how dope his flow is, to how one will get 'broke off' if he talks shit.
I am outraged as to why this young person who is so full of talent rhymes and subject matter is wasting away here on the siccness instead of taking his rightful place as the next Jay-Z, 2pac, or Biggie.
Hopefully Dr Dre will come knocking before this young person writes another 500 verses any of which will no doubt be a platnum record.
To limited artists such as Immortal Technique who rap about nothing in general, I say you take a good look at Tadou and wish to be as good as him.
He is in my eyes the Miles Davis of rap if you will, alway pushing the envelope, his mind blowing subject matter ranges from how dope his flow is, to how one will get 'broke off' if he talks shit.
I am outraged as to why this young person who is so full of talent rhymes and subject matter is wasting away here on the siccness instead of taking his rightful place as the next Jay-Z, 2pac, or Biggie.
Hopefully Dr Dre will come knocking before this young person writes another 500 verses any of which will no doubt be a platnum record.
To limited artists such as Immortal Technique who rap about nothing in general, I say you take a good look at Tadou and wish to be as good as him.