Linda Chavez---Schwarzenegger could help make the American Dream a reality for

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Schwarzenegger could help make the American Dream a reality for California Hispanics

Immigration and language are once again stealing center stage in California politics. The state, which is home to the largest Hispanic population in the country, is also the birthplace of national movements to make English the official language, to eliminate bilingual education and to cut off benefits to illegal immigrants. Now, Arnold Schwarzenegger finds himself in the midst of a brewing controversy about his positions on both language and immigration, which could turn into key issues in the campaign for governor.

I met Schwarzenegger in the late 1980s, when I was president of U.S. English, a public policy advocacy group that supports a constitutional amendment to make English the official language of government in the United States. Like millions of other Americans, Schwarzenegger had responded to a fund-raising solicitation from U.S. English, and my predecessor had invited him to join an honorary board of advisors along with such other luminaries as Walter Cronkite and Alistair Cook. In 1988, Schwarzenegger attended an event in Los Angeles to meet U.S. English members and donors. I found him bright, charming and very committed to the proposition that English is the key to success for immigrants who come to the United States, a common-sense view that most Americans share.

Democrats in California now want to use Schwarzenegger's association with U.S. English and his support for Proposition 187, which would have denied welfare and schooling to illegal immigrants, as proof that he is anti-Hispanic. Unlike Schwarzenegger, I am no fan of "Prop. 187" (as it became known). I spoke out against it at the time and agreed with the opinion of a federal court that declared the measure unconstitutional.

Nonetheless, I don't think that supporting Prop. 187 means you're necessarily anti-Hispanic or even anti-immigrant. Some 59 percent of Californians voted for the initiative out of frustration that illegal aliens were taking advantage of the welfare system and diluting resources that should go to legal residents of the state. I doubt many of those who voted for the initiative, including Schwarzenegger, understood that one of the provisions -- denying public education to the children of illegal aliens -- was blatantly unconstitutional given an earlier Supreme Court decision (Plyler v. Doe) on the same issue involving a Texas statute.

But what about Schwarzenegger's affiliation with U.S. English? Some stories have reported, accurately, that I resigned as president of the organization when I discovered that the founder of the group had once circulated a private memorandum that was both anti-Hispanic and anti-Catholic. The memo alleged that the influx of so many Catholic immigrants from Latin America and Asia was going to alter the demographics of the country because of their higher birthrates, so that, in his words, "For the first time in history those of us with our pants up will be caught by those with their pants down." A number of prominent members of the board of advisors resigned when I did, but Schwarzenegger apparently did not step down.

So does that mean Schwarzenegger agreed with the memo or supported its views? I highly doubt it -- my guess is he was oblivious to the controversy. In fact, the man who wrote the memo, John Tanton, resigned a few days after I did. In short order, so did the board of directors -- who were the actual policymakers for the group, as opposed to the honorary advisory board on which Schwarzenegger sits. None of the original founders, directors or staff is even associated with U.S. English today.

Supporting English as the national language, and encouraging immigrants to learn English, isn't anti-Hispanic or anti-immigrant. The only reason the United States has successfully integrated so many millions of immigrants over the last 150 years is precisely because we have a common language and culture. Poles, Greeks, Italians, Jews and others learned English and came to think of themselves as Americans, which allowed them to quickly move into the cultural and economic mainstream.

The key to success for today's Hispanic immigrants is to follow the same path. Ironically, the biggest impediment to this natural process is government policy, which promotes Spanish-language instead of English instruction for Hispanic children and Spanish-language services for adults. As governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger could help turn around these policies and make the American Dream a reality for California Hispanics.
 
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learning english

What is the exact definition of bilingual education?

Being a fluent English speaker, I don't really know anything about the program because I never went through it. I've heard plenty of people who say that it dissuades learning English because the students learn math and other subjects in Spanish and they never learn to speak English. Then, I've also heard that bilingual education is the most efficient way to learn English and keep up in other subjects. How do typical bilingual education courses work?
 
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I really don't think the essays are gonna be too happy when Arnold cuts their free Welfare and free Goya stamps.
 
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NOSTRIL KING said:
I really don't think the essays are gonna be too happy when Arnold cuts their free Welfare and free Goya stamps.
I've wrote plenty of essays while in school, but I don't think any of them collected welfare or Goya stamps. You must have a very vivid imagination Nostril.
 
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Re: learning english

Derek J said:
What is the exact definition of bilingual education?

Being a fluent English speaker, I don't really know anything about the program because I never went through it. I've heard plenty of people who say that it dissuades learning English because the students learn math and other subjects in Spanish and they never learn to speak English. Then, I've also heard that bilingual education is the most efficient way to learn English and keep up in other subjects. How do typical bilingual education courses work?
my mother is a teacher and so was my father. i will in the future also go into that profession. and the one thing i can tell you is kids must learn English at an early age, they can speak all the spanish they want at home but in school they mush learn English, it will benefit them. i mean you are setting kids backs years by teaching them spanish mostly during their elementary years.
 
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my mother is a teacher and so was my father. i will in the future also go into that profession. and the one thing i can tell you is kids must learn English at an early age, they can speak all the spanish they want at home but in school they mush learn English, it will benefit them. i mean you are setting kids backs years by teaching them spanish mostly during their elementary years.
I agree with this opinion, in part, but it doesn't address all the problems. I agree that the younger immigrant children should be taught English more aggressively as early as possible, because they are more adaptable and learn more quickly. However, when children immigrate at older ages, this could be a disservice to them because they are not as adaptable.

They might benefit more from programs that teach math, history, etc. with bilingual teachers, and in addition take special classes to teach them English. This way, they will be getting taught English, but they won't fall too far behind in their other studies. Also, another problem that arises is when children haven't even learned to write properly in their native language, for whatever, reason, and then they try and learn to write and read in a foreign langauge so they're totally lost.

Under the current system in SF that does not use bilingual education, there is basically one level of ESL courses. Thus, as a teacher, you'll have kids from Mexico, Russia, Brazil, China, Palestine, etc. all in the same courses trying to learn English. Problems can arise when some students are worse off than others because the teachers must wait for the slower students and the more profecient speakers, who still aren't up to native English speakers levels, get held back.

At any rate, the problem is quite difficult to solve. I think there needs to be some sort of bilingual education program for the older children to learn English and not fall too far behind. Hopefully, something can be worked out.

Political differences aside, good luck with the teaching Mcleanhatch. That is probably the most under-appreciated profession in the USA, not to mention the most underpaid.
 
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STOP WRITING 3 FUCKING PARAGRAPHS WHEN YOU COULD HAVE SUMMARIZED THAT IN A FEW SENTENCES FAGGOT
 
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dammmmm right learn english cause i aint learn spanish.

sweden and norway have manfitory laws to learn english.

when is mexico going to make that a law??????

oh and fuck the bull shit bout it being unconstitutional for them to make it so illagel imagrants kids cant go to school.

NO ITS NOT, BECUASE THERE BREAKING FEDERAL LAW JUST BY BEING HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fuck this shit. check these motha fuckas. they would check my relatives if they tried to come over from sweden.
 
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dammmmm right learn english cause i aint learn spanish.

sweden and norway have manfitory laws to learn english.

when is mexico going to make that a law??????

oh and fuck the bull shit bout it being unconstitutional for them to make it so illagel imagrants kids cant go to school.

NO ITS NOT, BECUASE THERE BREAKING FEDERAL LAW JUST BY BEING HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fuck this shit. check these motha fuckas. they would check my relatives if they tried to come over from sweden.
Wen U lurn Anglish, so will da Mehicans.
 
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i got reasons that i cant spell. sorry.

and um like i said speaking is more important then writing and spelling.

its hard to work with someone that only understands hello and good bye
 
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Those reasons being? And how do you know that the immigrants don't have similar dificulties? Besides if they made it a law to have English as a mandatory language that would make this contry into a police state very much like a communist country and that's bad!
 
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proppa said:

oh and fuck the bull shit bout it being unconstitutional for them to make it so illagel imagrants kids cant go to school.

NO ITS NOT, BECUASE THERE BREAKING FEDERAL LAW JUST BY BEING HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i thought the US was for justice, liberity, and other humanitarian reasons?

after all doesn't the US give out billions to puppet nations for humanitarian reasons? why can't it do the same between its own borders?

btw are you a racist?
 
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Those reasons being? And how do you know that the immigrants don't have similar dificulties? Besides if they made it a law to have English as a mandatory language that would make this contry into a police state very much like a communist country and that's bad!
well then fuck it dont make it mandatory to speak english. but only teach english in schools and if the parents dont want their kids to learn in english, they can send them to a private school.

and also make everything else in english. if we cant force foreigners to learn english then we also dont have to cater to them.

make it their choice, if they want to succeed they better start learning english, if not then i guess they can always find some hard labor related non skilled job out in the fields where english isnt required
 
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well then fuck it dont make it mandatory to speak english.
Mcleanhatch said:
and also make everything else in english. if we cant force foreigners to learn english then we also dont have to cater to them.
And that's not forcing them? Please, that's like me telling you we shouldn't hinder religion but we should tax any one $500 everytime they go to church or a similar place of worship.
 
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its not forcing them to learn english, it is just giving them an incentive to

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And that's not forcing them? Please, that's like me telling you we shouldn't hinder religion but we should tax any one $500 everytime they go to church or a similar place of worship.
actually it is more like-- (altered quote) "Please, that's like me telling you we shouldn't hinder religion but we should give people $5.00 everytime they go to church or a similar place of worship."
 
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Mcleanhatch said:
its not forcing them to learn english, it is just giving them an incentive to



actually it is more like-- (altered quote) "Please, that's like me telling you we shouldn't hinder religion but we should give people $5.00 everytime they go to church or a similar place of worship."
or how about this....

its not forcing them to learn english, it is just giving them no choice but to



actually it is more like-- (altered quote) "Please, that's like me telling you we shouldn't hinder religion but we should give people $5.00 everytime they go to church or a similar place of worship...but let those that would rather not go to church starve because they could not get the $5.00"
 
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am i racist. again i dont know ask my wife, ask my soon to be born child ask my closest friends and ask the people i work with,


but anyway. i get it now. were possed to let only people from mexico come in any time they want. give them what ever they ask for, learn spanish for them dont force them to learn THIS COUNTRY'S LANGUAGE.

and also why do all these other countries learn english when most never step in this country. why is there so much difficulty when it comes to this subject. its hilarious.


sweden can norway can why cant mexico??????????????????????????????????????????


cause there countries fucked. thats fine, you come here to get away from that fucked up place and make a better life, then learn the languege that will help you prosper. and it aint no thang.

my father in law's first langueage is spanish. but guess what he learned english and used it in his everyday life to further him self and make a better life for him self, and now has a great job and better oppertunities ahead.


funny how that works huh. he works hard learns the language and prospers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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SJN14 said:
or how about this....

its not forcing them to learn english, it is just giving them no choice but to



actually it is more like-- (altered quote) "Please, that's like me telling you we shouldn't hinder religion but we should give people $5.00 everytime they go to church or a similar place of worship...but let those that would rather not go to church starve because they could not get the $5.00"
or how about this: actually it is more like-- (altered quote) "Please, that's like me telling you we shouldn't hinder religion but we should give people $5.00 everytime they go to church or a similar place of worship...but let those that would rather not go to church earn the $5.00 elsewhere"