Lets all vote for Kerry this year...I've started a website to help
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good quote here...
John Kerry is a douchebag, but I'm voting for him anyway. Well, not really. That is to say, he's not actually a douchebag, or not nearly as much of one as what the media, George W., and even perhaps John Kerry himself have made him out to be. It seemed that every time I saw, heard, or read something about Kerry, his doucheness factor increased. It wasn't until I did just a little research on my own that it became clear that most of these occurrences could be explained as lies, deception, media excess, or simply poor campaigning strategy. It is beyond vital that we all overlook these minor blemishes and unpleasantries, and unite in electing John Kerry to be the next president of the United States of America.
John Kerry is a douchebag, but I'm voting for him anyway. Well, not really. That is to say, he's not actually a douchebag, or not nearly as much of one as what the media, George W., and even perhaps John Kerry himself have made him out to be. It seemed that every time I saw, heard, or read something about Kerry, his doucheness factor increased. It wasn't until I did just a little research on my own that it became clear that most of these occurrences could be explained as lies, deception, media excess, or simply poor campaigning strategy. It is beyond vital that we all overlook these minor blemishes and unpleasantries, and unite in electing John Kerry to be the next president of the United States of America.
Why would I feel the same way? I don't understand why I should vote for a party who is pro-big business, supports the war in Iraq/Afghanistan and possibly Iran, is pro-WTO, anti-unions, anti-workers benefits etc. I will never vote for a party who does not represent the people of america.
I PROMISE you if Kerry is elected, you will truly understand what I'm talking about in less than a year.
I PROMISE you if Kerry is elected, you will truly understand what I'm talking about in less than a year.
because there is no third party that is about to come save the current state of the United States. you have three choices and that is vote for a third party candidate that isn't even campaigning and has a 99.9% chance of losing, don't vote at all, or vote for either Bush or Kerry. everyone has seen how bad Bush has fucked shit up and i honestly think if he's in office for 4 more years he will do A LOT more damage than Kerry will. to each his own .. i respect everyone's opinion.
the truth is Kerry really wouldn't make that great of a president. to be honest my choice for a democratic candidate would've been Howard Dean. the thing with the Bush/Kerry situation is that i'm sure Kerry won't save the country or anything like that BUT if Bush is elected for another 4 years he will do a lot more damage than Kerry could think of. i don't think Kerry would make that great of a president like i said above, but i think he'd be a lot better than old Bushy because we've seen what he can do.
Yes, I will probably vote independent this year but remember comrade, I WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR BUSH OR KERRY, therefore it is absurd to think that I am contributing to Bush or taking votes away from kerry.
The majority of voters who vote independent (which is a very small percentage) feel exactly the same way...they would never in their wildest dreams vote kerry or bush.
I understand and sympathize completely with everyone who wants bush out of office. My only point is that the 'lesser of evilism' mentality is faulty and is not capable of making real change. Remember, this isn't the first election where this phrase has popped up. In fact, it occurs just about every single election. If we keep this mentality, when will it be ok to vote for a party who truly represents the people? 2080? 3010?
Kerry and the democratic party have clearly illustrated just how far right they have turned. It was the Democrats and Kerry who voted for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. It was the Democrats and Kerry who voted for the Patriot Act. It was the Democrats and Kerry who voted for tax-breaks for big-business. It was the democrats who did NOTHING after the illegal coup in Florida. And so on and so on.
@Karloz,
I too have friends in Unions and I work extensively with Union members and leaders. I recently participated in a protest, organized and led by Unions and had many intelligent conversations. Unfortunately, like most america, the majority of Union members are optimistic about kerry and believe he will benefit the working man. This is nothing new. The Democrats have always tried to appeal to the workers of america and paint an image that the Dems are a blue collar, working class party. This couldn't be farther from the truth. The Dems are just as pro-big business as the Republicans. You don't have to look any further than Clinton to understand this. Clinton immediately embraced "bipartisanship," a budget agreement that slashed billions from important programs like Medicare and Medicaid. The amount of americans without health went from 30 mil. to 44 million under Clinton. In 1992, Clinton won labor support with lies to ban scabs in strikes and to fight for a minimum wage increase. Instead, he spent most of his political capital on legislation that organized labor opposed.
Read this K,
Under Clinton and Gore, union busting went unopposed, union membership continually fell and anti-union laws remained in tact. Al Gore led the administration's "re-inventing government" program, which fired 377,000 federal workers - 17% of the workforce. Average CEO pay skyrocketed from 100 times the average worker's pay in 1992 to 475 in 2000. Remember, there was a financial bubble, which mainly benefited the rich, meanwhile, corporations forced workers to work longer and faster for stagnating wages in part-time, low paying jobs, sinking deeper into debt.
@naner12,
It doesn't matter if the independent parties have no chance of winning. The point is to show america the importance of an independent party and to expose the Democrats and Republicans as "two heads of the same seven headed dragon" (-Immortal Technique). Both parties do NOT represent the interests of the average american and I know you can agree with me on that. We will not win now, but it's important to fight for the future. By supporting an independent party it is helping the cause of building a party for the future and to reach out to the masses with our ideologies
You can vote kerry if you please. Just remember my warnings about kerry and the democrats.
People often ask to decide which is better; Kerry or Bush?
It is the same as asking an imamate on death row how he prefers to be executed; Hanging or Electric Chair?
The majority of voters who vote independent (which is a very small percentage) feel exactly the same way...they would never in their wildest dreams vote kerry or bush.
I understand and sympathize completely with everyone who wants bush out of office. My only point is that the 'lesser of evilism' mentality is faulty and is not capable of making real change. Remember, this isn't the first election where this phrase has popped up. In fact, it occurs just about every single election. If we keep this mentality, when will it be ok to vote for a party who truly represents the people? 2080? 3010?
Kerry and the democratic party have clearly illustrated just how far right they have turned. It was the Democrats and Kerry who voted for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. It was the Democrats and Kerry who voted for the Patriot Act. It was the Democrats and Kerry who voted for tax-breaks for big-business. It was the democrats who did NOTHING after the illegal coup in Florida. And so on and so on.
@Karloz,
I too have friends in Unions and I work extensively with Union members and leaders. I recently participated in a protest, organized and led by Unions and had many intelligent conversations. Unfortunately, like most america, the majority of Union members are optimistic about kerry and believe he will benefit the working man. This is nothing new. The Democrats have always tried to appeal to the workers of america and paint an image that the Dems are a blue collar, working class party. This couldn't be farther from the truth. The Dems are just as pro-big business as the Republicans. You don't have to look any further than Clinton to understand this. Clinton immediately embraced "bipartisanship," a budget agreement that slashed billions from important programs like Medicare and Medicaid. The amount of americans without health went from 30 mil. to 44 million under Clinton. In 1992, Clinton won labor support with lies to ban scabs in strikes and to fight for a minimum wage increase. Instead, he spent most of his political capital on legislation that organized labor opposed.
Read this K,
Under Clinton and Gore, union busting went unopposed, union membership continually fell and anti-union laws remained in tact. Al Gore led the administration's "re-inventing government" program, which fired 377,000 federal workers - 17% of the workforce. Average CEO pay skyrocketed from 100 times the average worker's pay in 1992 to 475 in 2000. Remember, there was a financial bubble, which mainly benefited the rich, meanwhile, corporations forced workers to work longer and faster for stagnating wages in part-time, low paying jobs, sinking deeper into debt.
@naner12,
It doesn't matter if the independent parties have no chance of winning. The point is to show america the importance of an independent party and to expose the Democrats and Republicans as "two heads of the same seven headed dragon" (-Immortal Technique). Both parties do NOT represent the interests of the average american and I know you can agree with me on that. We will not win now, but it's important to fight for the future. By supporting an independent party it is helping the cause of building a party for the future and to reach out to the masses with our ideologies
You can vote kerry if you please. Just remember my warnings about kerry and the democrats.
People often ask to decide which is better; Kerry or Bush?
It is the same as asking an imamate on death row how he prefers to be executed; Hanging or Electric Chair?
Like 2 0, I'm voting independent. At some point in time, if the people really want a third party alternative, they will have to vote in a throw-away election just to represent their numbers and build a third party base. What will the media and both dominant parties have to say when the People have a strong vote for a third candidate - say 35-40%? I'm not buying that wishy washy logic of a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush crap, its about symbolic and literal change in the political spectrum. So far Kerry hasn't shown a solid stance on anything and Bush has shown he will wield his power for the corporate elite.
But as DubbC415 pointed out, the important thing is to vote, but vote with information and according to your own beliefs.
But as DubbC415 pointed out, the important thing is to vote, but vote with information and according to your own beliefs.
TOKZTLI, that is exactly and precisely what I'm saying. I applaud you for recognizing the importance of supporting an independent party.
A perfect example of the importance in elections is Russia, before the revolution in 1917. Whether or not you are a communist, we all can learn from history and in particular, the teachings of Lenin and other communists of the time.
In the late 1800’s in Russia, there were many oppressive factors that came into play which made the masses uneasy, angry and upset at the Tsarist system. The oppressors were aware of this so they created this “parliament” (called the Duma) which was literally a joke. It was created to calm the masses down; it provided a false sense that the people had power to elect parliament officials, a voting right and was capable of making change. In reality the parliament had no power, no voice; it was literally just a front. Lenin and the Bolsheviks knew this; they knew exactly what the real purpose of the Duma was. But none the less, they participated in elections. Why? Lenin made it absolutely clear (by understanding the teachings of Karl Marx) that by partaking in the elections it gets their voice out to the people; it allows them to expose the opposition for who they truly are; it allows them to legitimize their party; and of course, it builds a foundation for the future.
Eventually, some of the communists were actually voted into parliament, many of whom were later arrested and thrown into prison and some even executed. But, after years of involving themselves in these “elections”, their views spread amongst the people which of course is why the revolution was possible 15-20 years later.
A perfect example of the importance in elections is Russia, before the revolution in 1917. Whether or not you are a communist, we all can learn from history and in particular, the teachings of Lenin and other communists of the time.
In the late 1800’s in Russia, there were many oppressive factors that came into play which made the masses uneasy, angry and upset at the Tsarist system. The oppressors were aware of this so they created this “parliament” (called the Duma) which was literally a joke. It was created to calm the masses down; it provided a false sense that the people had power to elect parliament officials, a voting right and was capable of making change. In reality the parliament had no power, no voice; it was literally just a front. Lenin and the Bolsheviks knew this; they knew exactly what the real purpose of the Duma was. But none the less, they participated in elections. Why? Lenin made it absolutely clear (by understanding the teachings of Karl Marx) that by partaking in the elections it gets their voice out to the people; it allows them to expose the opposition for who they truly are; it allows them to legitimize their party; and of course, it builds a foundation for the future.
Eventually, some of the communists were actually voted into parliament, many of whom were later arrested and thrown into prison and some even executed. But, after years of involving themselves in these “elections”, their views spread amongst the people which of course is why the revolution was possible 15-20 years later.