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Apr 25, 2002
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I think when it really comes down to it Newt Gingrich said it best: "The local government failed, the state government failed, FEMA failed, and the Federal Government failed..."
 
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KleanKut said:
bush is not to blame for this.

The state deals with disaters like this,

They should have deploied the national guard imidatly and sourrouding states should have activated thier national guard units to help out.

The govener has direct discresion on what to do with the national guard troops.

There was no attempt to evacuate the city by the local gov. There were 150+ unused school busses that could have been used before the strom to evacuate the city.
^^ i agree completely

the federal governemnt cant just come knocking down the states doors, it is the state responsibility to take care of these kinds of problems and if they need help it is up to the governor to call the president and ASK for help.

i heard that the president get tired of waiting for gov. blanco to call and he took it upon himself to call her and offer her the feds assistance and she ask for 24 hours to think it over.
 
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EDJ here right on time to play his "the white man is holding me down" card. EDJ you are a smart guy but when you play the poor black victim card all the time it makes you sound ignorent.
I think your statements make you sound ignorant (take note of the correct spelling). How can you not make the connection that this IS a race issue? Let’s be real and let’s look at the facts:

1). The overwhelming majority of the victims are black.

2). The overwhelming majority of the victims are poor.

- You need to ask yourself why are so many black people living in the poorest areas in Amerika (about 30% of all blacks in Amerika are poor).

3). There was zero response to help these people until there was a public outcry across the country and the world, and the people started demanding we help them.

There have been obvious examples in the media of racism, such as calling black survivor’s looters while whites are called finders, and of course blacks being called refugees, making it sound as if they are not Amerikan citizens.

This hurricane has revealed what most of us have already known, and that being that there is still a huge racial divide and inequality in Amerika. Even some of the biggest tools in media are starting to acknowledge this on TV.
 
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so if there is one thing that you all can agree on, what would it be? that this is a class and race issue? i definitely believe that it is a class issue. and i believe that race goes tied in with class. and levees are a federal responsibility, so everyone f*cked *p evenly. but what makes bush look bad, besides the obvious, is that he has not shown leadership. and everytime a black community leader says anything about race, the media makes him seem to be the idiot (especially FOX News).
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
I think your statements make you sound ignorant (take note of the correct spelling). How can you not make the connection that this IS a race issue? Let’s be real and let’s look at the facts:

1). The overwhelming majority of the victims are black.

2). The overwhelming majority of the victims are poor.

- You need to ask yourself why are so many black people living in the poorest areas in Amerika (about 30% of all blacks in Amerika are poor).

3). There was zero response to help these people until there was a public outcry across the country and the world, and the people started demanding we help them.

There have been obvious examples in the media of racism, such as calling black survivor’s looters while whites are called finders, and of course blacks being called refugees, making it sound as if they are not Amerikan citizens.

This hurricane has revealed what most of us have already known, and that being that there is still a huge racial divide and inequality in Amerika. Even some of the biggest tools in media are starting to acknowledge this on TV.

Well the media is full of fucking retards so i dont take in to account most of what they say. I agree they are showing poors in a negitve light and in New Orleans the majority of the poors are black.

President Bush is not to blame for the poor responce time, the fed Government acted promptly. The state Gov did lag and i think it is bull shit. Like I said before it is the staes job to bring in the fedral Gvernment. I belive the state underestimated this storm, and they were slow to activate thier national guard and ask for assistance out of state and for the federal government.

I belive President Bush did the right thing and acted properly and swiftly when he was finaly asked for help.

30% isnt a lot. And those 30% are poor becuase they choose to be. I am sicilian and native american. Natives are the race living in the highest level of poverty out of any other race. If you are poor you choose to be poor, we have debated this in other threads and we see eachothers POV and i dont thing it needs to be discussed in this thread.

So basicly i do belive there was a poor responce but people need to look to the Gov of LA who could have dispatched troops to evacuate NO and saved lives before the worst of it hit.
 
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Well the media is full of fucking retards so i dont take in to account most of what they say. I agree they are showing poors in a negitve light and in New Orleans the majority of the poors are black.
WTF? We agree on something, please take note of this thread and date.

President Bush is not to blame for the poor responce time, the fed Government acted promptly.
How can you honestly say the Fed Gov acted promptly?! Four or five days AFTER the storm hit is a prompt response??

The state Gov did lag and i think it is bull shit.
Yes, they are to blame too, but you cannot place all the blame on the state, which in times like these relies on the Fed Government for help! The state does not have all the resources necessary to tackle a problem this massive, not to mention the state has been trying for years to get funding for levees and prevent this sort of catastrophe, but bush CUT the funding.

I belive President Bush did the right thing and acted properly and swiftly when he was finaly asked for help.
Pffft. Promptly and swiftly? Kicking it with his rich friends and having a party while thousands were loosing their lives is swift? lol, you got to be kidding me.

30% isnt a lot.
WTF are you talking about 30% is not a lot?!? It's higher than any other race. For whites its 8 percent.

And those 30% are poor becuase they choose to be.
Man, this is some straight ignorant shit right here. Poor people choose to be poor?!? Are you fucking kidding me? You think people who are born poor, have no education, no job opportunities, horrible parents, etc. can simply wake up one morning and say "I'm not going to be poor anymore" and everything is going to work out fine and dandy?

I am sicilian and native american. Natives are the race living in the highest level of poverty out of any other race. If you are poor you choose to be poor, we have debated this in other threads and we see eachothers POV and i dont thing it needs to be discussed in this thread.
No, I don’t see your POV at all. I have no idea how the hell you can come to this conclusion.
 

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WTF are you talking about 30% is not a lot?!? It's higher than any other race. For whites its 8 percent.
You got a source for that? It ain't that I don't believe you, I actually thought it'd be higher then 30%.. do you have some info that breaks down poverty by race? I'd really like to see that.
 
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You got a source for that? It ain't that I don't believe you, I actually thought it'd be higher then 30%.. do you have some info that breaks down poverty by race? I'd really like to see that.
From our own US government, the US Census Bureau, they state in 2004 the official poverty rate in the US was 12.7 percent (37 million) and the poverty rates for blacks were 25%, 22% Hispanics, and Whites 8%. (link.

The UN released their own report (I believe last month) which has higher numbers than the official US report. I read 27% to 28% poverty rate for blacks (as I stated early, nearly 30 percent).

I cannot find the official report, however I did find THIS which discusses some of the findings in the report, such as:

“Parts of the United States are as poor as the Third World, according to a shocking United Nations report on global inequality.”

“[T]he infant mortality rate has been rising in the US for the past five years - and is now the same as Malaysia. America's black children are twice as likely as whites to die before their first birthday.

MY NOTE: This of course reflects the fact that blacks are poorer on average then whites which means they are less likely to have health insurance or adequate health insurance.
 
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George W. Bush STILL ROCKS!

This is an op-ed but still has some good facts.

George W. Bush Still Rocks!
Stop criticizing! The rich man's CEO president is executing his job requirements perfectly
- By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist
Friday, September 9, 2005

Everyone is slamming poor Dubya. Everyone is saying, oh my God, he's more inept than we ever imagined, he has no idea what's really going on, he's oblivious and in denial and he pretty much let all those poor black people die in filth and misery, and he basically ignored the massive Katrina disaster for days before finally being pressured into cutting his umpteenth vacation short and actually taking action.

This is what they're saying. Kanye West was right, Bush doesn't care about black people, or the poor, or anything that doesn't directly serve his handlers' agenda or flatter his monochromatic ego or anything that isn't spelled out for him in nice simplistic pie charts and reassuring matronly tones.

And lo, the darts are slinging in from around the world, according to SF Gate's own World Views column: "Maddening incompetence ... reminiscent of a drought-stricken African state," says Britain's Daily Mail. "Can't get it together," says a major paper in Italy. "A plethora of grim tales of disaster," says the Scotsman. "Superpower or Third World?" asks the Spanish daily Noticias de Álava. Why did BushCo fail its first great national-security test since Sept. 11, despite having two days' advance notice of Katrina's wrath? asks Le Monde. And on it goes, the world's powers looking on in one part shock and one part disgust and all parts repugnance for Bush's rampant ineptitude and America's apparent inability to take care of its own.

But it's so unfair, isn't it, to attack poor Dubya like this? Just a little misplaced? After all, Bush has always been the rich white man's president. He is the CEO president, the megacorporate businessman's friend, the thug of the religious right, a big reservoir-tipped condom for all energy magnates, protecting against the nasty STDs of humanitarianism and progress and social responsibility.

He has always been merely an entirely selective figurehead, out of touch and eternally dumbfounded, a hand puppet of the neoconservative machine built and fluffed up and carefully placed for the very specific job of protecting their interests, no matter what. Repeat: No. Matter. What. Flood hurricane disaster war social breakdown economic collapse? Doesn't matter. Corporate interests über alles, baby. Protect the core, reassure the base, screw everyone else unless it begins to affect the poll numbers and then finger-point, deflect, prevaricate. All of a piece, really. Because Bush, he was never actually meant to, you know, lead.

So maybe it's time to stop with the savaging of poor Dubya. He is, after all, doing a simply beautiful job of kowtowing to his wealthiest supporters while slamming the poor and running the nation into a deep hole and creating the largest deficit in American history, all while his cronies in oil and industry and military supply and Big Energy gain immense and staggering wealth and pay less and less tax on it. This is what he was hired to do. This is why he is in office. Hell, the day after Katrina, Bush flew right by Louisiana and headed straight to San Diego to party with his Greatest Generation cronies. Reassure the masters, first and foremost, eh Shrub? Understood.
Is this not what we all expected? Can you reasonably say you thought it would be different? Just look. All major social services are being gutted. The Federal Emergency Management Agency is a joke, second in line only to the ungodly useless Homeland Security Department, which has become about as reassuring and trustworthy and humane an organization as a prison in Guantánamo.

The Associated Press reported that the Army Corps of Engineers asked for $105 million for hurricane and flood programs in New Orleans just last year. The White House hacked that down to about $40 million, even as it passed the most bloated and nauseatingly pork-filled $12.3 billion energy bill in recent history, one that guaranteed we'd be sucking at the tit of foreign oil and kneeling before Bush's pals in Big Energy for decades to come, even as more and more teenagers die in Iraq for Bush's inept and failed war. Yay politics.

Why didn't National Guardsmen from Louisiana and Mississippi march into New Orleans immediately after Katrina exited to take charge and keep the peace? Why, because most of them are serving in that same violent and brutally costly war in Iraq, silly. Fully 30 percent of the guard is stuck over there, along with 50 percent of their equipment. Yay Vietnam 2.0.

Why did FEMA chief Michael Brown wait hours after Katrina struck to timidly plead with his parent company, Homeland Security, for some backup, not to actually get their hands dirty but rather to help "convey a positive image" about the government's response to the victims? Why, because he's an incompetent lackey Bush appointee who was fired from his former job as head of something called the International Arabian Horse Association. Yay pathetic nepotism.

Just look. Senate majority leader Sen. Bill Frist, icon of hollow self-righteousness and the energy magnate's friend, has already leveraged the Katrina nightmare to argue for more drilling in Alaska, much in the way BushCo whored Sept. 11 to cram the Patriot Act down the nation's throat and make fear and xenophobia a national pastime. And let's not forget trusty profit-sucking sidekick Halliburton, which has already scored a sweet deal to help repair Katrina damage, thanks to the fact that the former director of FEMA is now a Halliburton lobbyist. Ah, war and death and tragedy. They are just so goddamn profitable, right, Dubya?

And then, the kicker. Then you read that Bush has actually ordered an official probe into the botched Katrina relief efforts, a formal federal investigation into what went wrong, which is a bit like a shark ordering an investigation into what happened to all the fish. Unless this probe starts and ends in the White House, unless it hangs Bush himself up by his monkey ears and dangles him over a river of toxic Louisiana sewage, it's merely useless and insulting and more than a little sad.
Let's say it outright. The truest measure of any president, of any leader, is how well he takes care of his own people. And Bush, well, Bush has done a simply spectacular job of taking care of exactly his own people -- the wealthy, the corporate, the extreme religious right, his core base of supporters -- while happily and fiercely ignoring, restricting, condemning, destroying the rest. Are you educated or progressive or liberal or alternative-minded or sexually open or homosexual or anti-war? This means you. Are you dirt poor and belong to a minority and don't drive an SUV and contribute six figures per annum to the RNC and maybe live in a flooded swamp in the Louisiana bayou? This means you, squared. Sucker.

Here, then, is the new American motto, as reimagined by BushCo: Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, and we'll let them die in a filthy and decrepit storm-ravaged American football stadium while our president languishes on vacation and ponders his oil futures and fondly remembers his good ol' days of getting drunk at Mardi Gras before going AWOL from the military. God bless America
 
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http://www.opinionjournal.com/cc/?id=110007224
Deadly Bureaucracy
In Katrina's wake, red tape too often trumped common sense.

BY BOBBY JINDAL
Thursday, September 8, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT

BATON ROUGE, La.--Over the past few days, America has been both moved and disturbed by television footage of Hurricane Katrina's aftermath. But for those of us in Louisiana still struggling to cope, the troubling images are of opportunistic politicians playing the blame game while there is so much real work to do.

Rather than point fingers, we should be fixing the situation on the ground. And that will include taking steps to ensure that red tape doesn't stifle the continued security and rebuilding efforts.

There have already been a number of instances in which an overly inhibitive bureaucracy prevented an appropriate response to the disaster. For example, on Wednesday of last week a company called my office. With only three hours before rising waters would make the mission impossible, they were anxious to send a rescue helicopter for their stranded employees. They wanted to know who would give them a go-ahead.

We could not identify the agency with authority. We heard that FEMA was in charge, that the FAA was in charge, and that the military was in charge. I went in person to talk with a FEMA representative and still could not get a straight answer. Finally we told the company to avoid interfering with Coast Guard missions, but to proceed on its own. Sometimes, asking for forgiveness is better than asking for permission.





This is not the only story of red tape triumphing over common sense. After so many years of drills and exercises, we were still unprepared for Hurricane Katrina.
• A mayor in my district tried to get supplies for his constituents, who were hit directly by the hurricane. He called for help and was put on hold for 45 minutes. Eventually, a bureaucrat promised to write a memo to his supervisor.

• Evacuees on a boat from St. Bernard Parish could not find anyone to give them permission to dock along the Mississippi River. Security forces, they say, were prepared to turn them away at one port.

• A sheriff in my district office reported being told that he would not get the resources his office needed to do its job unless he emailed a request. The parish was flooded and without electricity!

• Unbelievably, first responders were hindered by a lack of interoperable communications. Do you recall how New York police and fire departments on 9/11 could not talk with each other? Four years later, despite billions spent on homeland security, state, federal, and local officials in Louisiana had the same problem.

My office became so frustrated with the bureaucracy that we often turned to private companies. They responded more quickly and flexibly.

After our staff visited communities to assess local needs, Budweiser delivered truckloads of water and ice. Ford provided vehicles for search and rescue. Every company we contacted provided goods and services without compensation.

Though things are far from perfect, we have seen an improvement in the response effort as the military increased its presence and created a more unified chain of command. However, the problems that existed before still resonate.

That's why we need, in the future, a single, strong leader with the power to override the normal process restrictions and get things done. That individual must be identified from the very beginning. But below that person, other individuals up and down the line need to know they can make obvious and sensible calls in an emergency.





Spending my days on the ground in Louisiana last week, I did not see much television. But I understand that some media let the violent and destructive acts of a few overshadow the many acts of compassion and heroism.
Contrary to the pictures you may have seen, the vast majority of New Orleanians did not take to the street with weapons--far more risked their own safety to help neighbors and strangers.

When first responders said they needed more flat boats to pick people out of the water, they were overwhelmed by the line of volunteers. When people at a shelter in Baton Rouge announced they needed drinks, within hours they were flooded with more Gatorade than they could possibly use.

Churches throughout Louisiana opened their doors to take in evacuees. Individuals organized a network to open their homes to strangers, using phone trees and the Internet to link up those in need with those who care. Evacuation centers are flooded with volunteers and supplies.

Many rescue and relief workers, themselves victims of Katrina, have not left their posts for days. Health-care staffers have hand-ventilated patients. Law enforcement officials braved high waters and violence. People from all over the nation are contacting me, especially people in areas recently devastated by their own tragedies, to offer assistance.





The first responders, in combination with our military forces, saved 9,500-plus lives, assisted 102,800 people, and evacuated 22,000 refugees. More then 9.9 million Meals Ready to Eat and 6.6 million gallons of water were distributed. As I write this column, 1,200 buses are in transit taking refugees to shelters across the country.
In coming days, there will be many more such stories, both tragic and heroic. There will be stunning examples of depravity, in which lives were needlessly lost and permanently damaged. But there will be inspiring examples of individuals who sacrificed all so that others might live.

There will also be situations in the future when people will rely on massive government support and help. We'll have to do better delivering it.

As I struggle to explain to my 3-year-old daughter why her prayers that the hurricane spare our hometown were unanswered, we as a nation must make sure that we learn from our initial mistakes and cut through the red tape to help people rebuild their homes, their hopes and their lives.

Mr. Jindal is a Republican congressman from Louisiana.
 
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Blame Amid the Tragedy
Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin failed their constituents.

BY BOB WILLIAMS
Wednesday, September 7, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT

As the devastation of Hurricane Katrina continues to shock and sadden the nation, the question on many lips is, Who is to blame for the inadequate response?

As a former state legislator who represented the legislative district most impacted by the eruption of Mount St. Helens in 1980, I can fully understand and empathize with the people and public officials over the loss of life and property.

Many in the media are turning their eyes toward the federal government, rather than considering the culpability of city and state officials. I am fully aware of the challenges of having a quick and responsive emergency response to a major disaster. And there is definitely a time for accountability; but what isn't fair is to dump on the federal officials and avoid those most responsible--local and state officials who failed to do their job as the first responders. The plain fact is, lives were needlessly lost in New Orleans due to the failure of Louisiana's governor, Kathleen Blanco, and the city's mayor, Ray Nagin.

The primary responsibility for dealing with emergencies does not belong to the federal government. It belongs to local and state officials who are charged by law with the management of the crucial first response to disasters. First response should be carried out by local and state emergency personnel under the supervision of the state governor and his emergency operations center.

The actions and inactions of Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin are a national disgrace due to their failure to implement the previously established evacuation plans of the state and city. Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin cannot claim that they were surprised by the extent of the damage and the need to evacuate so many people. Detailed written plans were already in place to evacuate more than a million people. The plans projected that 300,000 people would need transportation in the event of a hurricane like Katrina. If the plans had been implemented, thousands of lives would likely have been saved.

In addition to the plans, local, state and federal officials held a simulated hurricane drill 13 months ago, in which widespread flooding supposedly trapped 300,000 people inside New Orleans. The exercise simulated the evacuation of more than a million residents. The problems identified in the simulation apparently were not solved.





A year ago, as Hurricane Ivan approached, New Orleans ordered an evacuation but did not use city or school buses to help people evacuate. As a result many of the poorest citizens were unable to evacuate. Fortunately, the hurricane changed course and did not hit New Orleans, but both Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin acknowledged the need for a better evacuation plan. Again, they did not take corrective actions. In 1998, during a threat by Hurricane George, 14,000 people were sent to the Superdome and theft and vandalism were rampant due to inadequate security. Again, these problems were not corrected.
The New Orleans contingency plan is still, as of this writing, on the city's Web site, and states: "The safe evacuation of threatened populations is one of the principle [sic] reasons for developing a Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan." But the plan was apparently ignored.

Mayor Nagin was responsible for giving the order for mandatory evacuation and supervising the actual evacuation: His Office of Emergency Preparedness (not the federal government) must coordinate with the state on elements of evacuation and assist in directing the transportation of evacuees to staging areas. Mayor Nagin had to be encouraged by the governor to contact the National Hurricane Center before he finally, belatedly, issued the order for mandatory evacuation. And sadly, it apparently took a personal call from the president to urge the governor to order the mandatory evacuation.

The city's evacuation plan states: "The city of New Orleans will utilize all available resources to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas." But even though the city has enough school and transit buses to evacuate 12,000 citizens per fleet run, the mayor did not use them. To compound the problem, the buses were not moved to high ground and were flooded. The plan also states that "special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to transport themselves or who require specific lifesaving assistance. Additional personnel will be recruited to assist in evacuation procedures as needed." This was not done.

The evacuation plan warned that "if an evacuation order is issued without the mechanisms needed to disseminate the information to the affected persons, then we face the possibility of having large numbers of people either stranded and left to the mercy of a storm, or left in an area impacted by toxic materials." That is precisely what happened because of the mayor's failure.

Instead of evacuating the people, the mayor ordered the refugees to the Superdome and Convention Center without adequate security and no provisions for food, water and sanitary conditions. As a result people died, and there was even rape committed, in these facilities. Mayor Nagin failed in his responsibility to provide public safety and to manage the orderly evacuation of the citizens of New Orleans. Now he wants to blame Gov. Blanco and the Federal Emergency Management Agency. In an emergency the first requirement is for the city's emergency center to be linked to the state emergency operations center. This was not done.





The federal government does not have the authority to intervene in a state emergency without the request of a governor. President Bush declared an emergency prior to Katrina hitting New Orleans, so the only action needed for federal assistance was for Gov. Blanco to request the specific type of assistance she needed. She failed to send a timely request for specific aid.
In addition, unlike the governors of New York, Oklahoma and California in past disasters, Gov. Blanco failed to take charge of the situation and ensure that the state emergency operation facility was in constant contact with Mayor Nagin and FEMA. It is likely that thousands of people died because of the failure of Gov. Blanco to implement the state plan, which mentions the possible need to evacuate up to one million people. The plan clearly gives the governor the authority for declaring an emergency, sending in state resources to the disaster area and requesting necessary federal assistance.

State legislators and governors nationwide need to update their contingency plans and the operation procedures for state emergency centers. Hurricane Katrina had been forecast for days, but that will not always be the case with a disaster (think of terrorist attacks). It must be made clear that the governor and locally elected officials are in charge of the "first response."

I am not attempting to excuse some of the delays in FEMA's response. Congress and the president need to take corrective action there, also. However, if citizens expect FEMA to be a first responder to terrorist attacks or other local emergencies (earthquakes, forest fires, volcanoes), they will be disappointed. The federal government's role is to offer aid upon request.

The Louisiana Legislature should conduct an immediate investigation into the failures of state and local officials to implement the written emergency plans. The tragedy is not over, and real leadership in the state and local government are essential in the months to come. More importantly, the hurricane season is still upon us, and local and state officials must stay focused on the jobs for which they were elected--and not on the deadly game of passing the emergency buck.

Mr. Williams is president of the Evergreen Freedom Foundation, a free market public policy research organization in Olympia, Wash.
 
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It'll be a "We all know it wasn't directly his fault, but it's such a good sign of a quality leader to man up and take the responsibility for it all, what a great cowpoke that GW is! YeeeeHaaaw!" **does the midland texas jingo jango**
 

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I AgREE WITH 2-0-SIXX.

KLEAN KUT,
LEARN HOW TO SPELL IgNORANT BEFORE YOU START SLANgIN' THE WORD. AND FOR THE RECORD, QUIT TRYIN' TO DOWNPLAY THE SITUATION AND OPEN YOUR EYES.