Just How Stupid Are We?

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ThaG

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I don't need a dictionary.

Ignorance basically means you don't know something, but you have the mental capacity to learn.

Stupid is defined as a person that not only lacks the knowledge, but that there is a good chance that they never will learn it.
The former can and often does cause the latter

The human brain begins to lose its ability and capacity to learn after entering adulthood. And how rapidly this happens also depends on how much it has exercised such activities before that

In other words most of the time ignorant people are also stupid because they never left their childhood state of ignorance when they were supposed to do so
 
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because in the context you presented the comment you are referring to neurodegeneration and reduced plasticity as a normal physiological process when it is in-fact a pathological condition with an extremely complex and highly disputed etiology.

There is a great deal of research of this topic going on at your institution.......
 
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The former can and often does cause the latter

The human brain begins to lose its ability and capacity to learn after entering adulthood. And how rapidly this happens also depends on how much it has exercised such activities before that

In other words most of the time ignorant people are also stupid because they never left their childhood state of ignorance when they were supposed to do so
These are presumptions and assumptions that can not be validated with any proof.

"I was IGNORANT of how rapidly the world is in danger via human beings, but now know to some extent what can happen if some changes are not made."

Again, ignorant means that a person does not KNOW yet, but still tries to learn and understand.

Stupid is someone who doesnt know what they are talking about and never will.
 
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because in the context you presented the comment you are referring to neurodegeneration and reduced plasticity as a normal physiological process when it is in-fact a pathological condition with an extremely complex and highly disputed etiology.

There is a great deal of research of this topic going on at your institution.......

is this research group in need of a transmogrifier??
 

ThaG

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because in the context you presented the comment you are referring to neurodegeneration and reduced plasticity as a normal physiological process when it is in-fact a pathological condition with an extremely complex and highly disputed etiology.

There is a great deal of research of this topic going on at your institution.......
I have actually changed coasts now...

But anyway, I think I did not make my position clear, so I will elaborate on it now. Neurodegeneration and neural plasiticity have less to do with it than my post probably implied.

I claim that stupidity and ignorance are closely linked even if we define ignorance as lack of information and stupidity as inability to solve complex problems when the necessary information is available.

The reason for this is that intelligence is genetically limited but how fully the limits will be reached depends on the environment. Which translates in practice into that - if we were able to do the following experiment: take a pair twins (exactly the same genetic material) and put one of them to be raised and work on farm, with some very basic education, limit his access to books and discourage his interest in anything remotely intelligent, while in the same we give world-class care and education to the other, from his birth until he gets his PhD, then measure their intelligence by any method you wish, I am ready to bet what the results will be.

There has been some very cool experiments with rats and mice and environmental enrichment which I can cite (i.e animals who are placed in enriched environment are smarter) and also some experiments on people which I can't cite unfortunately (which showed that if you don't use your brain for a while your IQ drops).

Anyway, I think nobody will disagree that your intelligence is highly dependent on the way you were raised, i.e. if you had to do sophisticated math when you were in 9th grade, you probably will score higher on tests if you didn't do that.

Now the thing is that the same factors (environment and education) are also decisive for your general education level. Because it can be argued (and I think it is true) that the genius is much more likely to explore the world around him than the idiot, and in the same time that same exploration of the world is critical for the development of intelligence (for the reason mentioned above).

I will be the first to admit that a lot of exceptional people in certain areas (who will no doubt score very high on IQ tests) have very poor knowledge of the world around them. However, these people are rarely the ones who will leave their names in the intellectual history of mankind, and they do not influence the general trend of overlap between smart and educated on one side and stupid and ignorant on the other.

Now for the ability to learn new things in later age (because this started the argument) - I do not argue from the point of a neuroscientist here (I am not one myself), I argue from empirical knowledge and experience. Probably I should not have used the words "the human brain", let's say that human beings in real life exhibit this trend (whatever the reasons for that)
 
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hmmmm that was nice, ThaG.
so, how about a little twist on the twin story?

What if one of the twins grew up and was 'successful' got his Phd. became extremely intelligent as many define it.

But the other child was sent to India and grew up with Hindu saints? What if he had the expected goal to become fully aware and engulfed in and of the cosmic consciousness and let go of any sense of seperateness? What if he did not find any material object or affiliation as a 'successful' accomplishment?

Just because these 2 goals are 'different' is one more valid than the other?
Is knowledge only textbooks, research, and scientific exploration of the world?


These questions are not only for ThaG, but for everyone thats been postin in this thread so far...
 

ThaG

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hmmmm that was nice, ThaG.
so, how about a little twist on the twin story?

What if one of the twins grew up and was 'successful' got his Phd. became extremely intelligent as many define it.

But the other child was sent to India and grew up with Hindu saints? What if he had the expected goal to become fully aware and engulfed in and of the cosmic consciousness and let go of any sense of seperateness? What if he did not find any material object or affiliation as a 'successful' accomplishment?

Just because these 2 goals are 'different' is one more valid than the other?
Is knowledge only textbooks, research, and scientific exploration of the world?


These questions are not only for ThaG, but for everyone thats been postin in this thread so far...
science is the only valid method for obtaining knowledge