Just caught the Bradley/Pacquiao replay, what fight were you mf's watching???????

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Hate to start a new thread about this but I had to. I scored the fight 7 rounds for Bradley, 2 rounds for Pac, and 3 rounds even. But even if I gave the even rounds to Pac, it still comes out to 7-5 in Bradley's favor, and that matches up wit 2 of the judges score cards (115-113).

I guess you mf's missed the body combination punching by Bradley, the straight body punches by Bradley (that were stopping Pacquiao dead in his tracks), the jabs and the counter right hooks that Bradley was landing. Those punches scored.

The HBO network, commentators, and crowd were drooling over any punch that Pacquiao landed (and even didn't land) "WOW Pacquiao tried to end the fight with that punch" but when Bradley landed punches they didn't even acknowledge the fact.. Replays were only shown after Pacquiao landed a punch, they never showed any replays for Bradley. Bradley was slipping most of Pacquiao's wild punches and flurries. Bradley got caught with one good punch on the chin that wobbled him. That won Pacquiao the round not the got damn fight!!

That fight was not a robbery (like Lara vs Williams). It was close and scored accordingly. Pacquiao has trouble with fighters that can move and counter punch and he lost to an undefeated fighter. Pacquiao just got outboxed! I didn't see a clear cut win for Pacquiao, I saw it as a close win for Bradley!
 
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For real bruh... that fight was not a ROBBERY! It could have went either way (7-5). I scored it in Bradley's favor because of the combination body shots and counter punches (right hooks).
 
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Nope Bigface's thoughts didn't influence me nor did HBO's nut-ridin' commentary!

Pacquiao's wild as flurries didn't influence me or my scoring either. I was more impressed with Bradley's ability to slip punches and counter. That's what the judges saw too!!

That fight was not a robbery, it was a close fight that Bradley pulled out. If he didn't win round 12 it would have been probably even. Bradley edged it out by winning the last round.

Pacquiao has trouble with counter punchers. If you can counter punch, then you have a real good chance of beating Pacquiao because he leaves himself open after throwing wild as flurries.

And Pacquiao doesn't counter punch, he gets hit, then he answers with a flurry of his own. That doesn't impress judges who aren't biased, you have to actually land punches.
 
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Tony said:
Nope Bigface's thoughts didn't influence me nor did HBO's nut-ridin' commentary!

Pacquiao's wild as flurries didn't influence me or my scoring either. I was more impressed with Bradley's ability to slip punches and counter. That's what the judges saw too!!

That fight was not a robbery, it was a close fight that Bradley pulled out. If he didn't win round 12 it would have been probably even. Bradley edged it out by winning the last round.

Pacquiao has trouble with counter punchers. If you can counter punch, then you have a real good chance of beating Pacquiao because he leaves himself open after throwing wild as flurries.

And Pacquiao doesn't counter punch, he gets hit, then he answers with a flurry of his own. That doesn't impress judges who aren't biased, you have to actually land punches.
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In reply to the first bolded section, yes they did. You even said something like bigface always tells the truth or something like that.

Concerning the second bold, you actually have to land punches, Tony? OK, post up the compubox numbers.

Finally, Bradley did NOTHING to TAKE the belt. Yes, you can say "he must of did something he has it" but that is not what I'm talking about. If you're fighting a champ, and you're going in as an underdog, you have to TAKE the belt by knocking the champ out or clearly outboxing him and dominating him for the fight. If not, you run the risk of the judges leaning in favor of the champ. How did Bradley put on a dominating performance when he was hurt a couple of times, never hurt Pac, was outpunched (in numbers thrown and landed) and appeared to be just as tired as Pac?

In closing, even with all of this said and done, I still think Bradley should keep the belt. There needs to be an investigation into PED's, judges, etc, but I don't think it needs to start by taking the guys belt away.
 
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MR. TYPCEE @MR. TYPCEE , yeah I did say that but I saved my opinion until after I watched the fight. Bigface I believe scored it a draw. His influence had nothing to do with my scoring. I don't care about the compu box numbers because they probably missed Bradley's punches that were landed. Bradley did enough to win, barely, he didn't "dominate" but he won in my opinion.
 
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MR. TYPCEE @MR. TYPCEE , yeah I did say that but I saved my opinion until after I watched the fight. Bigface I believe scored it a draw. His influence had nothing to do with my scoring. I don't care about the compu box numbers because they probably missed Bradley's punches that were landed. Bradley did enough to win, barely, he didn't "dominate" but he won in my opinion.
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Compubox doesn't account for punches landed on the shoulders & arms, which most of Bradley's did.

I think Max Kellerman summed up judging a round pretty simply by saying "Which guy would you rather have been, in that round?"


For most of the rounds, I would have rather been Pacquiao.

I thought it was pretty clear, but I guess for those watching with a biased eye, you're going to see what you want to see.
 
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This was a very tough fight to score actually. Do u give rounds to Manny for a few power lefts or do u score it for Bradley who threw better combinations and good body shots although nuthin hurt Manny but still scored. Thats the tough question. Do u score aggression or just jabs & punches landing that cause no damage? I watched the fight a few times and there were a few rounds that could go either way. Like I said it wasnt a robbery by a long shot and I think Manny probably won a very close fight like the one judge that scored it for him but I could even see a draw or Bradley winning by the same score. I do admit this fight was one of the tougher fights to score though. Also fuck the crowd and commentators because they can sway folks but I dont fall for that shit. The Showtime commentators are much better than those biased HBO announcers mainly Lampley's bitch ass. Kellerman & Steward are actually ok. I love all of Showtime announcers though. Got Em!!
 
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Do u give rounds to Manny for a few power lefts or do u score it for Bradley who threw better combinations and good body shots although nuthin hurt Manny but still scored
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Exactly right.... this is how or why the fight ended up in a split decision! I gave it to Bradley for throwing/landing the better combination body shots and counter punches (right hooks). They didn't hurt Manny, but they still count.
 
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For real bruh... that fight was not a ROBBERY! It could have went either way (7-5). I scored it in Bradley's favor because of the combination body shots and counter punches (right hooks).
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I've watched Pacquiao-Marquez III several times, and that was a 7-5 fight, and I can see it 7-5 for either guy, honestly.

This was NOT that close of a fight, by any stretch of the imagination.

Bradley's connect rate was horrific, and although I understand in Vegas the busier guy generally tends to get the nod, in this case, he was throwing punches that just weren't landing.
 
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if u scored 7 rounds for bradley then the little credibility u had left on this forum just went out the window. smh at anyone who can watch that fight and honestly think bradley won. fortunately over 90% of all major polls, and close to 99% of all sports reporters and boxing journalists scored it for Pacquiao, who are far more credible than a few guys on the internet.
 
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Good shit Tony, you're just calling it like you see it.

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That fight was not a robbery (like Lara vs Williams). It was close and scored accordingly. Pacquiao has trouble with fighters that can move and counter punch and he lost to an undefeated fighter. Pacquiao just got outboxed! I didn't see a clear cut win for Pacquiao, I saw it as a close win for Bradley!
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how does one get out boxed when they land almost 100 punches more and land all the clean hard shots in the fight? that's a mystery that will go unanswered.

lara Williams was a robbery why? because lara landed all of the hard clean shots while the busier guy williams wasn't landing any effective shots. that's a curious fight to bring up and shows some type of bias in ur scoring.
 
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pac man is done, this gif shows exactly why pac man lost. Look how he hurts Bradley for a split second and then he proceeds to back up and let Bradley recover. I think manny was gassed at this point, and it was only in the mid rounds. Manny had about 3 of these moments during the fight where it seemed if he just kept pushing forward he would dominate the round, but he would take his foot off the gas and let Bradley take over the round.
 
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I don't know man, bradley to me looked gas at the midway point like around round 5 or 6. Pacquiao didn't look tired to me till the later rounds, but bradley did too and the way I was watching it seemed like pac was treating bradley like a sparring partner the last few rounds cuz he thought he was way ahead. But with that said I'm sure pacquiao of a couple years ago would have flurried a lot more then he did, it's not like he had to worry about bradley's strength.
 
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