July 4, 1930
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1 For thousands of years, the people who did not have the Knowledge of the person, or reality of God worshiped their own Ideas of God. He has been made like many things other than what He really is. The Christians refer to God as a "Mystery" and a "Spirit" and divide Him into thirds. One part they call the Father, another part the Son, and the third part they call the Holy Ghost; which makes the three, one. This is contrary to both nature and mathematics. The law of mathematics will not allow us to put three into one. Our nature rebels against such a belief of God being a mystery and yet the Father of a son and a Holy Ghost without a wife or without being something In reality. We wonder how can the son be human, and the father a mystery (unknown), or a spirit? Who is this Holy Ghost that is classified as being the equal of the father and the son?
2 The Christians do not believe in God as being a human being, yet they believe in Him as being the Father of all human beings. They also refer to God as He, Him, Man, King and The Ruler. They teach that God sees, hears, talks, walks, stands, sits, rides, and flies; that He grieves or sorrows; and that He is interested in the affairs of human beings. They also teach that once upon a time He made the first man like Himself in the image and likeness of Himself, but yet they believe that He, Himself, is not a man or human. They preach and prophesy of His coming and that He will be seen on the Judgment Day but is not man. They cannot tell us what He looks like, yet man is made like Him and in the image of God, and yet they still say that He is a mystery (unknown).
3 How can one teach the people to know God if He, himself, does not know God. If you try teaching the Christians that God is also a human being, they will say that you are crazy, that you do not believe in God and that you are an infidel. In the meantime, while they admit that He is a Mystery God (unknown), they teach not to make any likeness of Him; yet they adorn their walls and churches with pictures, images and statues like human beings.
4 Can God be a Mystery God and yet send prophets to represent Himself? Have the prophets been representing a God that is not known (Mystery)? They tell us that they heard Gods voice speaking to them in their own language. Can a spirit speak a language while being an immaterial something? If God is not material, what pleasure would He get out of material beings and the material universe? What is the basis of spirit? Is the spirit independent of material?
5 Actually, who is that Mystery God? We should take time and study what has and is being taught to us. Study the word and examine it, and if it be the Truth, lay hold to it. To teach people that God is a Mystery God is to teach them that God is unknown. There is no truth in such teaching. Can one teach that which he himself does not know?
6 If one teaches a thing that he himself does not know, he can be charged with lying to the people. The word "mystery," according to the English dictionaries, is something that has not been or cannot be - something beyond human comprehension. The unintelligent, or rather ones without divine knowledge, seem to delight themselves in representing the God as something mysterious Unknown.
7 Such teaching (a mystery God) that God is a mystery makes the prophets' teachings of God all false. There should be a law made and enforced upon such teachers until they have been removed from the public.
God is in person, and stop looking for a dead Jesus for help, but pray to Him whom Jesus prophesied would come after Him. He who is alive and not a spook. Do you hate me because I represent Allah, the Living God, your Lord and my Lord? Can you, who believe in a mystery God (unknown), trust your Mystery to bring you bread or to defend you against your open enemies? If so, on what occasion did He help you?
13 If God is a mystery, you are lying to the world when you say that you know Him. He wants to be known, it is His enemy (the devil) who does not want God to be known to you and me. Do you refer to God as He, Him! These pronouns refer to a man. Do you say that you want to be like Him. Surely, you don't want to be a spirit without form, as spirits have no material form. Your God and my God is a material Being-the Supreme of Beings.
2 The Christians do not believe in God as being a human being, yet they believe in Him as being the Father of all human beings. They also refer to God as He, Him, Man, King and The Ruler. They teach that God sees, hears, talks, walks, stands, sits, rides, and flies; that He grieves or sorrows; and that He is interested in the affairs of human beings. They also teach that once upon a time He made the first man like Himself in the image and likeness of Himself, but yet they believe that He, Himself, is not a man or human. They preach and prophesy of His coming and that He will be seen on the Judgment Day but is not man. They cannot tell us what He looks like, yet man is made like Him and in the image of God, and yet they still say that He is a mystery (unknown).
3 How can one teach the people to know God if He, himself, does not know God. If you try teaching the Christians that God is also a human being, they will say that you are crazy, that you do not believe in God and that you are an infidel. In the meantime, while they admit that He is a Mystery God (unknown), they teach not to make any likeness of Him; yet they adorn their walls and churches with pictures, images and statues like human beings.
4 Can God be a Mystery God and yet send prophets to represent Himself? Have the prophets been representing a God that is not known (Mystery)? They tell us that they heard Gods voice speaking to them in their own language. Can a spirit speak a language while being an immaterial something? If God is not material, what pleasure would He get out of material beings and the material universe? What is the basis of spirit? Is the spirit independent of material?
5 Actually, who is that Mystery God? We should take time and study what has and is being taught to us. Study the word and examine it, and if it be the Truth, lay hold to it. To teach people that God is a Mystery God is to teach them that God is unknown. There is no truth in such teaching. Can one teach that which he himself does not know?
6 If one teaches a thing that he himself does not know, he can be charged with lying to the people. The word "mystery," according to the English dictionaries, is something that has not been or cannot be - something beyond human comprehension. The unintelligent, or rather ones without divine knowledge, seem to delight themselves in representing the God as something mysterious Unknown.
7 Such teaching (a mystery God) that God is a mystery makes the prophets' teachings of God all false. There should be a law made and enforced upon such teachers until they have been removed from the public.
God is in person, and stop looking for a dead Jesus for help, but pray to Him whom Jesus prophesied would come after Him. He who is alive and not a spook. Do you hate me because I represent Allah, the Living God, your Lord and my Lord? Can you, who believe in a mystery God (unknown), trust your Mystery to bring you bread or to defend you against your open enemies? If so, on what occasion did He help you?
13 If God is a mystery, you are lying to the world when you say that you know Him. He wants to be known, it is His enemy (the devil) who does not want God to be known to you and me. Do you refer to God as He, Him! These pronouns refer to a man. Do you say that you want to be like Him. Surely, you don't want to be a spirit without form, as spirits have no material form. Your God and my God is a material Being-the Supreme of Beings.
the whole "god is a mystery" argument supports that of Islamic beliefs that "God doesnt resemble any of his creations", with that said, God cannot be WD Fard, because using islamic logic, a God cannot be in need, while Fard, a man, was in need of many things on a constant basis. Go ahead and worship him if you want , but you arent worshipping god
NOI members call themselves Muslims... They may believe in the 5% theory but that doesn't make 'em 5%'ers... Members of the Five Percent Nation of Gods and Earths and members of the Nation of Islam don't believe the same things... Don't speak the same way don't have the same names don't follow the same rules... Two different groups... One is not synonymous with the other...
Reread what I said. I never said one is synonymous with the other. What I said was that the term is not mutually exclusive. NOI members are by definition 5 percenters. The term Five Percenter when associated solely to the NGE is a misnomer. I made no other claim. So refute what I said, not what you think I did.
Ok, think about it. The 5% of both the NOI and the NGE are those that aren't either (A) Part of the 85% that make up the blind and oppressed masses or (B) The 10% that know some of the truth and use it for evil purpose.
The 5% concept ORIGINATED within the NOI, the NGE simply stole it. Regardless of whether the NOI are Muslims (which is debatable as they worship an incarnate God and this contradicts the Koran) and the NGE not, is really irrelevant. It really doesn't matter because the term originated from the NOI.
And by definition [the ORIGINAL definition of the name] the term is applicable to those 5% that know the truth. In the case of the NOI the truth being that the NOI is the true repressed African religion. The term being originated by W.D Fard Muhammad himself.
The 5% concept ORIGINATED within the NOI, the NGE simply stole it. Regardless of whether the NOI are Muslims (which is debatable as they worship an incarnate God and this contradicts the Koran) and the NGE not, is really irrelevant. It really doesn't matter because the term originated from the NOI.
And by definition [the ORIGINAL definition of the name] the term is applicable to those 5% that know the truth. In the case of the NOI the truth being that the NOI is the true repressed African religion. The term being originated by W.D Fard Muhammad himself.