John Kerry, the 23RD MOST LIBERAL SENATOR IN THE NATION

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WHITE DEVIL

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We have all heard the media, spearheaded by the conservative movement, describe John Kerry as the "most liberal senator in the country".

http://voteview.uh.edu/sen108.htm

This holds true, if you only consider the voting year of 2003. A more broad-based scale including votes cast over their careers places Kerry firmly towards the middle of the party, the 23rd most liberal senator overall out of a current 47 Democrats.

(or 48, if you count the hilarious Zell Miller, who is more conservative than nearly half of the Republican party, and in one period voted with the GOP 100% of the time).

Countering the O'Reilly-Hannityism that he both Edwards and Kerry are to the "left of Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton", Kerry and Edwards were both near the middle of the party, with Kerry being 23rd most liberal and Edwards at 21st.
 
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Exactly...he was senator for 20 years, and they picked one year to make a judgement on.

Personally I say he's a piece of shit, but he's a better alternative than Bush any fucking day of the week.
 
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WHITE DEVIL said:
Exactly...he was senator for 20 years, and they picked one year to make a judgement on.

Personally I say he's a piece of shit, but he's a better alternative than Bush any fucking day of the week.
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I disagree, though Bush isnt a great president by any stretch, hes better than the trash before him and what hes running agaisnt.
 
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Yup. Sure does look more reputable than that other shabbily thrown-together survey.


I got a real cool Angelfire site i can link you to, that shows how John Kerry is more conservative than Newt Gengrich.
 
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You are a fucking idiot tadou. Do you deny that the "most liberal" assessment comes from only 2003? Where is your study proving this? Where is your counter-research? You have none. As always, you have nothing other than your constantly flapping mouthpiece.

Nothing. All you do is sit back and talk about "how crappy that website looks", "what an agenda, that organization is nothing", etc. You have nothing to back your shit, ever. If you might disagree with something, you instantly rattle off some retarded statement that supposedly disproves everything, how they are biased, their website is cheap.
 
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http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2004_07_25_archive.html#109094510775991052

From Spinsanity :

Liberally applying "most liberal" label (7/27)

By Bryan Keefer

The Bush campaign and a number of conservative opinion writers have taken an assessment of John Kerry's voting record last year out of context in order to paint him as the most liberal member of the Senate.


President Bush regularly features the accusation as part of his stump speech. On July 20, for example, he stated that "Senator Kerry is rated as the most liberal member of the United States Senate. And he chose a fellow lawyer, who is the fourth most liberal member of the United States Senate. Now, in Massachusetts, that's what they call balancing the ticket." And on July 7, for example, the Boston Herald splashed the headline "They're Left of Ted [Kennedy]!" across its front page along with pictures of Kerry and Edwards.

But the National Journal's rankings were only for roll call votes in 2003 - a fact obscured by many in the press. And because Kerry and Edwards were campaigning for most of the year, their scores were based on substantially fewer votes than those of other senators. A more comprehensive analysis by University of Houston political scientist Keith Poole of all contested roll call votes they cast during the year found that Kerry and Edwards fall near the median among Senate Democrats.

The National Journal article announcing the magazine's rankings also noted that Kerry and Edwards were considerably less liberal for significant portions of their Senate careers. In fact, as scholars at the center-left Brookings Institute pointed out in a New York Times op-ed Monday, when considering all the votes they have cast over the course of their careers, Kerry and Edwards have been considerably less liberal than the National Journal rankings imply, The Brookings Institution scholars found that Kerry, while more liberal than the average Democrat, is "closer to the center of the Democratic Party than he is to the most liberal senators, including Mr. Kennedy." Edwards, by contrast, has cast votes that make his record slightly more conservative than the average Senate Democrat.

Yet the charge continues to circulate. Commentators who have repeated the "most liberal" label without sufficient context in the last three weeks include Kathleen Parker in the Orlando Sentinel, Cosmos Macero Jr. in the Boston Herald, the editorial boards of the Washington Times and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Bush-Cheney campaign manager advisor Ken Mehlman on CNN's "Inside Politics," Republican strategist Mathew Dowd on "Tim Russert" on CNBC, and Jim Angle on "Fox Special Report with Brit Hume." "Most liberal" is now a contender for the most misleading label of Campaign 2004.

Update 7/30 10:46 PM EST: A version of this post appeared in our Philadelphia Inquirer column today.
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clinton wasnt our worst but he deserves anything but the title of great president. but i dont really see why the right is hammering this issue. theyre democrats. so fucking what if they vote liberal, what do you expect?
 
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Liberal sounds bad...so what. Blame the English Lexicon....Etymology...blame the Romans..........but for one fucking time in your life, blame anything but FNC or O'Reilly or a Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.
 
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Clinton was a bad president huh...lol...we'll see in 50 years the name political scientists, journalists, teachers and other seasoned intellectuals will remember...

bush 1...CLINTON...bush 2...Kerry.
 
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Clinton was a bad president huh...lol...we'll see in 50 years the name political scientists, journalists, teachers and other seasoned intellectuals will remember...

bush 1...CLINTON...bush 2...Kerry.
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Lay off the smoke bro
 
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Clinton got the lable he was such a good president cuz the motha fuckin Economy was booming and the Internet(which was new then) made the economy SO MUCH MONEy... everyone was profiting off that shit..i dunno im fuckin drunk
 
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Tadou...who is responsible for demonizing the word liberal? It wasn't the fucking "liberals". It obviously wasn't the "liberal media"...lmao.

Blame the lexicon? LOL

Watch "the factor", and watch O'Reilly's intonation and intent when he talks about "liberals" and "the left". As a matter of fact, watch any FNC reporter when they say the feared word "liberal". Hilarious.
 
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