Jive-talking twin Transformers raise race issues

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Damn Racist Transformers Movie.......


In this film publicity image released by Paramount Pictures, twin robots, Skids, left, and Mudflap are shown in a scene from, "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. (AP Photo/Paramount Pictures)

Jive-talking twin Transformers raise race issues
By SANDY COHEN AP Entertainment Writer The Associated Press
Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 PM EDT


LOS ANGELES (AP) — Harmless comic characters or racist robots? The buzz over the summer blockbuster "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" only grew Wednesday as some said two jive-talking Chevy characters were racial caricatures. Skids and Mudflap, twin robots disguised as compact hatchbacks, constantly brawl and bicker in rap-inspired street slang. They're forced to acknowledge that they can't read. One has a gold tooth.

As good guys, they fight alongside the Autobots and are intended to provide comic relief. But their traits raise the specter of stereotypes most notably seen when Jar Jar Binks, the clumsy, broken-English speaking alien from "Star Wars: Episode I — The Phantom Menace," was criticized as a caricature.

One fan called the Transformers twins "Jar Jar Bots" in a blog post online.

Todd Herrold, who watched the movie in New York City, called the characters "outrageous."

"It's one thing when robot cars are racial stereotypes," he said, "but the movie also had a bucktoothed black guy who is briefly in one scene who's also a stereotype."

"They're like the fools," said 18-year-old Nicholas Govede, also of New York City. "The comic relief in a degrading way."

Not all fans were offended. Twin brothers Jason and William Garcia, 18, who saw the movie in Miami, said they related to the characters — not their illiteracy, but their bickering.

"They were hilarious," Jason said. "Every movie has their standout character, and I think they were the ones for this movie."

In Atlanta, Rico Lawson said people were reading too much into the characters. "It was actually funny," said Lawson, 25, who saw the movie with his girlfriend in Atlanta.

That was the aim, director Michael Bay said in an interview.

"It's done in fun," he said. "I don't know if it's stereotypes — they are robots, by the way. These are the voice actors. This is kind of the direction they were taking the characters and we went with it."

Bay said the twins' parts "were kind of written but not really written, so the voice actors is when we started to really kind of come up with their characters."

Actor Reno Wilson, who is black, voices Mudflap. Tom Kenny, the white actor behind SpongeBob SquarePants, voices Skids.

Wilson said Wednesday that he never imagined viewers might consider the twins to be racial caricatures. When he took the role, he was told that the alien robots learned about human culture through the Web and that the twins were "wannabe gangster types."

"It's an alien who uploaded information from the Internet and put together the conglomeration and formed this cadence, way of speaking and body language that was accumulated over X amount of years of information and that's what came out," the 40-year-old actor said. "If he had uploaded country music, he would have come out like that."

It's not fair to assume the characters are black, he said.

"It could easily be a Transformer that uploaded Kevin Federline data," Wilson said. "They were just like posers to me."

Kenny did not respond to an interview request Wednesday.

"I purely did it for kids," the director said. "Young kids love these robots, because it makes it more accessible to them."

Screenwriters Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman said they followed Bay's lead in creating the twins. Still, the characters aren't integral to the story, and when the action gets serious, they disappear entirely, notes Tasha Robinson, associate entertainment editor at The Onion.

"They don't really have any positive effect on the film," she said. "They only exist to talk in bad ebonics, beat each other up and talk about how stupid each other is."

Hollywood has a track record of using negative stereotypes of black characters for comic relief, said Todd Boyd, a professor of popular culture at the University of Southern California's School of Cinematic Arts, who has not seen the "Transformers" sequel.

"There's a history of people getting laughs at the expense of African-Americans and African-American culture," Boyd said. "These images are not completely divorced from history even though it's a new movie and even though they're robots and not humans."

American cinema also has a tendency to deal with race indirectly, said Allyson Nadia Field, an assistant professor of cinema and media studies at the University of California, Los Angeles.

"There's a persistent dehumanization of African-Americans throughout Hollywood that displaces issues of race onto non-human entities," said Field, who also hasn't seen the film. "It's not about skin color or robot color. It's about how their actions and language are coded racially."

If these characters weren't animated and instead played by real black actors, "then you might have to admit that it's racist," Robinson said. "But stick it into a robot's mouth, and it's just a robot, it's OK."

But if they're alien robots, she continued, "why do they talk like bad black stereotypes?"

Bay brushes off any whiff of controversy.

"Listen, you're going to have your naysayers on anything," he said. "It's like is everything going to be melba toast? It takes all forms and shapes and sizes."

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Associated Press writers Damian Grass in Miami, Ginny Byrne in New York City and Jonathan Landrum Jr. in Atlanta contributed to this report.
 
Jan 1, 2006
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I found them hella annoying and I knew right when they hit the screen someone was bound to say that's racist

But I couldn't tell if the robots represented black southern's or white's lol
 

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Why didn't they freak out when Eddie from Family Matters used that gangsta talk shit as Jazz? When he bursts onto the scene for the first time and says "WHUDDUP BITCHES?" I just SMH...
 

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Wilson said Wednesday that he never imagined viewers might consider the twins to be racial caricatures. When he took the role, he was told that the alien robots learned about human culture through the Web and that the twins were "wannabe gangster types."

"It's an alien who uploaded information from the Internet and put together the conglomeration and formed this cadence, way of speaking and body language that was accumulated over X amount of years of information and that's what came out," the 40-year-old actor said. "If he had uploaded country music, he would have come out like that."
OH SHIT!!!!!!!!!!


























THE TWINS VISITED THE SICC!!!
 
Feb 23, 2003
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No that shit was kinda gay though.
The Black Twin Autobots, forcing comedy into an action movie. It was really, really forced. The cussing, the cracks and jokes. Shit was akward to me and I didnt like it
 
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The gold toof though? That shit was a little over the top ...

The problem is that the PERCEPTION is going to be that these cats represented black folks. The second the phrase 'buss a cap in yo ass!' comes out the mouth of a 'gangsta' personality type, it's automatically assumed the personality is black.
 
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I wasnt feelin that part of Transformers2, they tried way to hard to make that shit funny y overusing cusswords like 'bitch'

and since when did the autobots cuss at dudes???
I didnt hear any Decepticons cuss and shit like that.
Kinda wack L can you tell
 

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I wasnt feelin that part of Transformers2, they tried way to hard to make that shit funny y overusing cusswords like 'bitch'

and since when did the autobots cuss at dudes???
I didnt hear any Decepticons cuss and shit like that.
Kinda wack L can you tell
interesting..then the Director says "I did it for the kids"...is this a kid movie?
 
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if you see that as racism, then it is YOU that believes the stereotypes, and YOU that is keeping this alive. anyone who is still trippin on racism needs to grow the fuck up and worry about their own lives
 

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Movie was dope tho, just got back from it, one line that ratchet cussed was web he said "punk ass decepticons" and when the twin robots were cappin this one dude that was acting like a oil bitch throughout the movie, and that was it. I didn't mind the forced comedy as said earlier in the thread, I'd rather laugh a couple of times during the film instead of having the same expression on my face throughout the whole thing. Went to imax at the metreon, that shit was dope