every generation has its badasses people want to be like. everyone thought fonze was a badass for riding a bike, leather coat and banging a juke box when he didnt want to pay for a song lol. now the badasses of our generation are thugs. everyone wants to be equals in this society, if they cant be equals by being rich and popular, they will make themselves equals by what they got. gloriflying thug shit in music now is played out but what would rap be without it, unfortunately??? i think the kids nowadays copy catting will grow out of it but for the inner city kids, it will be alot harder. also, the listeners have to be responsible too by not purposely oppress themselves to be like these rappers.
Is rap music damaging (American) society?
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Thugs, hoods, outlaws have always been idolized by lower class people since the original thugs in India. Money is what we want, and thugs in the modern world, in the western world, especially America want the money, the power, the fame, and they take it. That's what appeals to poor and middle class alike, and the violent, outlaw approach to money, fame, etc. Is what attracts rich people - who live within the margins. Thugs will always be the badasses of the generation, the black thug, or street person just happens to be the new badass.
I think I clearly stated this in my post.
I guess that's kind of subjective, but my impression is that the bubble gum shit wasn't nearly as prevalent as it is now. Part of it is because it gets quickly forgotten and the more quality material is what remains in the collective memory, but part of it is also because there simply weren't as much of it. And I didn't pick the 80s because they're some sort of gold standard, they were probably worse compared to the 70s and the 60s.
I didn't only talk about pop music though, while you can have a somewhat legitimate argument there, rock and R&B are just as dead today as hip-hop is, and that definitely wasn't the case before (with R&B dying later than rock)
I am not talking about Discovery Channel (first, how many people watch that anyway, and second, working scientists generally avoid watching it because too much of it has the potential to cause a heart attack due to the numerous misconceptions in the programs), I am talking about serious discussion-type of programs on channels that a lot of people watch, about having actual reporting on events that matter as opposed to celebrity gossip, that kind of things. Those are undeniably absent right now, and while I have no observation on the US TV channels from the past, for the simple reason I haven't been there to watch them, they definitely disappeared where I'm from in the last 10-15 years, and from what I read about the history of these things, the same happened here too. At the very least, there was no Fox News and there were no reality shows back in the days and the music channels were actually playing music.
But I am not talking about the mere existence of target audience segments for certain types of music, I am talking about the size of those segments, because their relative size determines the overall state of things. Yes, we have a very well defined niche for conscious hip-hop today. It is quite a small one and it is completely disconnected from the market for ignorant hip-hop. That's the problem.
I would rather call it an observation, not an assumption. But if you want peer-reviewed references, you aren't going to get them
That was a complete non-sequitur. First, you are assuming absolute correlation, and second, you are inverting the causal relationship.
You are assuming that technology progresses at a very rapid rate. In fact, a very good argument can be made that it doesn't, people tend to confuse the availability of cool gadgets with fundamental breakthroughs, while they are very different things.
But even if it was indeed progressing, you don't need everyone in society being involved in R&D, it is a very small portion of all people who do that, and a lot of those people are imported from outside the US anyway.
You are right though, that at some point it is likely that we will begin to stagnate or regress; we simply haven't reached that point.
I am not talking about a small fraction of the while girls, I am talking about the majority. Who was the last horrorcore rap artist to go platinum?
I guess that's kind of subjective, but my impression is that the bubble gum shit wasn't nearly as prevalent as it is now. Part of it is because it gets quickly forgotten and the more quality material is what remains in the collective memory, but part of it is also because there simply weren't as much of it. And I didn't pick the 80s because they're some sort of gold standard, they were probably worse compared to the 70s and the 60s.
I didn't only talk about pop music though, while you can have a somewhat legitimate argument there, rock and R&B are just as dead today as hip-hop is, and that definitely wasn't the case before (with R&B dying later than rock)
I am not talking about Discovery Channel (first, how many people watch that anyway, and second, working scientists generally avoid watching it because too much of it has the potential to cause a heart attack due to the numerous misconceptions in the programs), I am talking about serious discussion-type of programs on channels that a lot of people watch, about having actual reporting on events that matter as opposed to celebrity gossip, that kind of things. Those are undeniably absent right now, and while I have no observation on the US TV channels from the past, for the simple reason I haven't been there to watch them, they definitely disappeared where I'm from in the last 10-15 years, and from what I read about the history of these things, the same happened here too. At the very least, there was no Fox News and there were no reality shows back in the days and the music channels were actually playing music.
But I am not talking about the mere existence of target audience segments for certain types of music, I am talking about the size of those segments, because their relative size determines the overall state of things. Yes, we have a very well defined niche for conscious hip-hop today. It is quite a small one and it is completely disconnected from the market for ignorant hip-hop. That's the problem.
I would rather call it an observation, not an assumption. But if you want peer-reviewed references, you aren't going to get them
That was a complete non-sequitur. First, you are assuming absolute correlation, and second, you are inverting the causal relationship.
You are assuming that technology progresses at a very rapid rate. In fact, a very good argument can be made that it doesn't, people tend to confuse the availability of cool gadgets with fundamental breakthroughs, while they are very different things.
But even if it was indeed progressing, you don't need everyone in society being involved in R&D, it is a very small portion of all people who do that, and a lot of those people are imported from outside the US anyway.
You are right though, that at some point it is likely that we will begin to stagnate or regress; we simply haven't reached that point.
I am not talking about a small fraction of the while girls, I am talking about the majority. Who was the last horrorcore rap artist to go platinum?
You are probably too young to realize this, but the original "gangsta rappers/emcees/entertainers" (kool-g-rap, ll cool j, krs-one, rakim, ice-t) were portraying and emulating real gangstas, now you have wannabe gangstas portraying and emulating the rappers (entertainers).
Life used to influence art, now art is influencing life...... smh...... idiocracy is in full effect......
Life used to influence art, now art is influencing life...... smh...... idiocracy is in full effect......
Let's agree to disagree on whether ICP is hip-hop or not.
I wasn't even talking about horrorcore specifically in my original post though, I was referring to ultra-violent gangsta rap in general.
You will never get the ladies to listen to this or someone to play it on the radio:
But you have swarms of women ready to be in any shake-ya-azz video.
What does lead to objectification of women and eventually to men beating them hoes down as in the former song isn't that song, but the myriad shake-ya-azz videos that have been accumulating thousands of hours of rotation on TV over the years...
I wasn't even talking about horrorcore specifically in my original post though, I was referring to ultra-violent gangsta rap in general.
You will never get the ladies to listen to this or someone to play it on the radio:
But you have swarms of women ready to be in any shake-ya-azz video.
What does lead to objectification of women and eventually to men beating them hoes down as in the former song isn't that song, but the myriad shake-ya-azz videos that have been accumulating thousands of hours of rotation on TV over the years...
I disagree. People want more and more funding for public schools, but alot of parents don't take the time to raise their kids right and just send them to public schools to be baby sat.
When I went to middle school and highschool, me and my friends just treated it like something to get through. Our parents never instilled in us to be respectful, to value education, never took the time to make it priority #1.
As a result we were always causing trouble, cutting school, getting in fights, getting wasted, and along with other students, we made the whole environment hostile.
Why can't it be a little bit of both? Why either or?
I agree, the garbage that we tolerate in general is what contributes to society's lack of integrity.
Too much tolerance breeds apathy and weakness.
It's hard to believe that people don't see entertainment as being able promote bad behavior or even reinforce it.
Look at the movie BIRTH OF A NATION. It was a movie that portrayed the KKK in a positive light, and supposedly it helped to revive the Ku Klux Klan.
When I went to middle school and highschool, me and my friends just treated it like something to get through. Our parents never instilled in us to be respectful, to value education, never took the time to make it priority #1.
As a result we were always causing trouble, cutting school, getting in fights, getting wasted, and along with other students, we made the whole environment hostile.
Why can't it be a little bit of both? Why either or?
I agree, the garbage that we tolerate in general is what contributes to society's lack of integrity.
Too much tolerance breeds apathy and weakness.
It's hard to believe that people don't see entertainment as being able promote bad behavior or even reinforce it.
Look at the movie BIRTH OF A NATION. It was a movie that portrayed the KKK in a positive light, and supposedly it helped to revive the Ku Klux Klan.