Is god an Atheist?

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To you Theists out there, think about this:

Before the Christian dismisses atheism as irrational or condemns the atheist as immoral, he should consider the disturbing possibility that the God of Christianity is himself an atheist. And if this is true, it means that the Christian worships, obeys, and has devoted his life to an atheistic being who does not believe in any power superior to himself, never prays, is utterly without faith, and who does not acknowledge any authority, either cognitive or moral, external to himself.

If theism is loosely defined as belief in a higher power, a mysterious being whose essential nature cannot be understood (whether in whole or in part) by the believer, then God is an atheist. He does not believe in a power higher than himself, nor can there be anything which he fails to understand, for nothing can be unknown or unknowable to an omniscient being.

If theism is defined as the belief in a supernatural being, then God is an atheist. His own powers, though supernatural from a human point of view, are comprehensible to himself. Everything is "natural" from God's perspective.

If theism involves a relationship of subordination and dependence between a theist and her object of veneration, then God is an atheist. He is a self-sufficient Being who disbelieves in any power greater than himself. He worships nothing, never prays, never seeks forgiveness, and never acknowledges his own errors.

If theism is the belief in a creator, or first cause, who is ultimately responsible for one's own existence, then God is an atheist. He believes himself to have existed eternally--though, as Kant suggested, even God must occasionally wonder where he came from.

If theism involves the belief in an external moral authority, a being whose moral law is obligatory for his creatures, then God is an atheist. He does not believe in a higher law, nor does he think himself capable of doing wrong. He does not regard himself bound to respect the rights of any other being. God is morally autonomous, a law unto himself.

God is therefore an atheist. Moreover, he is a positive atheist of the most dogmatic variety, for he claims to know with absolute certainty that there exists no being superior to himself. He is never troubled by doubt, never re-examines any of his beliefs, and never feels obliged to justify them.

This raises some further questions: Why, if God is himself an atheist, should we suppose that that he disapproves of atheism among his creatures? Is not a benevolent father pleased when his children grow up to be like him? And how can the Christian condemn atheism per se without also condemning their atheistic God? Is not the atheist who strives to be like God more admirable than the Christian who merely believes in him?
-George H. Smith
 
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Is Satan a Christian?

Satan is not an atheist--that much is clear--for he believes in the God of Christianity. We thus have the intriguing spectacle of a battle between two titans, with God the Atheist on the side of good, and Satan the Theist on the side of evil. And if the Bible is to be believed, the Atheist will ultimately triumph over the Theist.

Is Satan the Theist also a Christian? Apparently so, because a Christian is defined in terms of his beliefs, not his actions. Satan clearly believes in the central tenets of Christianity. He believes, for example, that Jesus, the Son of God, was sacrificed to redeem the sins of mankind--for if Satan does not believe this, why did he tempt Jesus in an effort to sabotage his divine mission? He also believes in the resurrection of Jesus, in the power of God to work miracles, and in the existence of a heaven and a hell he calls home.

Satan, a major player in many biblical events, does not have the least doubt about the veracity of God's word. Indeed, it is impossible to name one belief of the best Christian that Satan does not share. We may therefore conclude that Satan is a Christian, despite his rebellious spirit and competitive zeal. No one is perfect, after all.
 

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2-0-Sixx said:
Is Satan the Theist also a Christian? Apparently so, because a Christian is defined in terms of his beliefs, not his actions. Satan clearly believes in the central tenets of Christianity. He believes, for example, that Jesus, the Son of God, was sacrificed to redeem the sins of mankind--for if Satan does not believe this, why did he tempt Jesus in an effort to sabotage his divine mission? He also believes in the resurrection of Jesus, in the power of God to work miracles, and in the existence of a heaven and a hell he calls home.
lol!!! i can't begin to tell u what's wrong with this

but i got to go to work rit now............ maybe later
 
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u might as well ask us if he has a wife... all in all it's not for us to know.

he's the only god? when we are granted eternal life and the rightious live with him they will also be god's.
 

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anyways.......

that definition of a Christian is faulty and whoever wrote that has no clue on what he's talkin about.... you're not a christian automatically on beliefs alone, and actions are EVERYTHING in christian life...... praise and the occasional worship is a MUST if u truely ARE christian, and not one of those people who live by that counterfeit definition of what a "christian" is...... and i doubt Satan prays in the name of Jesus Christ....

so him saying "...not his action" was only thrown in there so his argument wouldn't be destroyed, but it failed....... somebody better go to Jubilee Christian Center in San Jose an' ask somebody

so NO... satan is NOT a christian........

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LOL. Tadou you make me laugh. You actually expect someone to break down an idiotic question like that paragraph for paragraph? The flaw in this whole argument is defining God by such LOOSE terms such as 2-0-sixx' said "any power superior to himself" and then transfering that defintion to God and then asking the question. As an example off the top of my head (since I gotta go workout)...it's like you being a 20lb weight and then defining a 35lb weight as "a weight greater then yourself". Then stating that a 35lb weight is a "weightiest" (yes I made that up) because he doesn't believe in "a weight greater then himself". Sure by that dumb argument it's right but only because you defined God by such loose terms rather then defining God as an actual entity. As an example if you defined a theist as someone who believes that Shaq exists and a Atheist is someone who doesn't believe Shaq exists you would sound pretty STUPID asking "Is Shaq an Atheist?"
 

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hit the blunt........your statements make no sense..please define your god if you know so much about it.......i would like anyone to give a definition of their so called god........
 
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It is VERY simple. This whole argument is based off a definition that makes an entity a variable rather then a constant. It makes God "ANY power which is greater then yourself". Sure God might fit that definition IF your are looking at it from a human perspective. But that definition does not apply if YOU ARE GOD. God is an entity, if you use a variable as a defintion it will not make sense because the entity will constantly change based on the perspective of the one using the defintion. If this person would have simply defined God as "A being who is the originator of the universe". Then defining an anthiest as someone who doesn't believe that a being is the originator of the universe then this who argument would sound just a foolish as it really is. Is God an atheist? Is the originator of the universe not going to beieve in a originator of the universe? How would God deny the existence of himself? Is God an atheist? USE YOUR BRAINS PEOPLE. two people coming on here saying I'M the one not making sense....this is a sad state of affairs people.
 
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20sixx is fuccin COOL!!! fuccin A++ Dude. LOVELY POST

if satan IS a christion then satan IS god think deeply. satan has caused as much havoc as god by god with god and for god. when is the creation not the will of his creator. when is the game master not in control of his players.
the unity of the polarized powers = absolute power. how can god be absolutely powerful without being absolutely good and evil. :)

according to christians satan no longer has control on the earth since christ took the keys of heaven and hell and gave them to peter. man therefore by holy decree has full choice. satan doesnt get to have fun except for a thousand years AFTER christ has returned.

"how foolish these mortals be" ~pan~

Ra has two eyes look through them both.
Righteousness i not the only answer

R <-- eye :) at least heresy will get it

theism is flawed. theism is a gloss that hides the underlying truth. let the babies succle

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