Iraqi troops murdering their own civilians

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May 2, 2002
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anyone hear about this shit?

I didnt get too much info, so if someone could elaborate, Id appreciate.

all I heard was that the Iraqi civilians were happy to see American troops (I wonder why), and Iraqi soldiers were ordered to kill them for supporting the US, and then coalition forces had to protect them.
 
Feb 28, 2003
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Heres what I know about Saddams Military and the atrocities that they R commiting......About your question, it is only a Report right now, it has NOT been comfirmed, however they R sayin' that some of the Iraqi troops have United States Military Uniforms, and that some of their fellow Iraqis R surrendering 2 what they believe 2 be American Soldiers, but the soldiers R actually The Repulican guard dressed up like us, and they execute the soldiers that wanted 2 surrender. Their killin' their own people!!! Some of the other "illegal" things they R doin'(I say Illegal, as in against the Geneva Convetion) is movin' military comand posts in2 Hospitals and civilian neighborhoods, and Usin' Red Cross Trucks 2 send orders, dressing in civilian clothes 2 fight, and surrendering and then when we get close, they attack. Not only this but we stormed a Hospital that Iraqi soldiers were seen out in front of, and found tons of weapondry, and ammunition along with about 3,000 Bio-Chem suits and Anti-dote 2 nerve gas. Pieces of shit.
 
May 8, 2002
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,82088,00.html
Tuesday, March 25, 2003

NEAR BASRA, Iraq — British forces at the gates of Basra waged fierce battles Tuesday with more than 1,000 Iraqi militia fighters, supporting what they said appeared to be civilian unrest developing against Saddam Hussein in the key southern city.

Maj. Gen. Peter Wall, second in critish troops, said Basra's civilians were out in the streets "in significant numbers" and were "essentially being less compliant with the regime than they are normally."

"We don't know what has spurred them, we don't know the scale, we don't know the scope of it," he said. "We don't know where it will take us."

Coalition forces have made no secret of their hopes to spur such uprisings. The British were distributing leaflets and telling citizens on loudspeakers that aid was waiting outside the city, where many of the million-plus residents are drinking contaminated water and living under threat of outbreaks of diarrhea and cholera.

The main military goal remained the capital, Baghdad, and allied forces were closing in, their progress thwarted by blinding sandstorms. U.S.-led warplanes bombed targets in northern Iraq, and U.S. troops in control of a vast Iraqi air base sealed 36 bunkers, earmarked as possible sites of Saddam's elusive weapons of mass destruction.

Marines in the southern city of An Nasiriyah secured a hospital being used as a military staging area for Iraqi forces, capturing about 170 unarmed Iraqi soldiers and confiscating over 3,000 chemical suits with masks, stockpiles of ammunition and military uniforms, U.S. officials said. The Marines also found a T-55 tank on the compound.

The Marines had been fired at from the hospital the day before, officials said in a statement. The building had been clearly marked as a hospital by a flag with a Red Crescent, the symbol used in the Muslim world for the Red Cross.

Two British soldiers were killed by friendly fire near Basra. Col. Chris Vernon said the two men died when their Challenger II tank was mistakenly targeted by another Challenger crew on Monday evening.

American F/A-18 Super Hornet warplanes dropped satellite-guided bombs on central Basra, according to British reporters attached to military units -- the first strikes into the center of the city, aimed at military sites hidden in civilian buildings.

The British pool reports described thousands of residents of Iraq's second-largest city rampaging through the streets in the early evening and setting dozens of buildings ablaze. Basra's population is predominantly Shiite Muslim, and during the 1991 Gulf War the city took up arms against Saddam's Sunni Muslim regime in Baghdad. Government forces crushed the rebellion, killing thousands across the south.

The reports also described supporters of Saddam driving four-wheel-drive pick-up trucks close to the crowd, apparently seeking to intimidate it and suppress the revolt. One report quoted an officer as saying any move into central Basra would be delayed until daylight Wednesday so as to better distinguish between pro-Saddam and anti-Saddam forces.

In a telephone interview with Al-Jazeera television, Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed al-Sahhaf denied any uprising in Basra.

"The situation is stable," he said. "Resistance is continuing and we are teaching them more lessons."

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said he had not seen reports of an uprising in Basra, but was aware that fedayeen guerrillas loyal to Saddam were infiltrating the city.

Rumsfeld said he was "reluctant" to encourage uprisings explicitly. "I guess those of us my age remember uprisings in Eastern Europe back in the 1950s when they rose up and they were slaughtered," he said. "I am very careful about encouraging people to rise up. We know there are people in those cities ready to shoot them if they try to rise up."

But he added: "Anyone who's engaged in an uprising has a whole lot of courage and I sure hope they're successful."

The exiled Iraqi National Congress opposition party confirmed that "a large uprising has taken place in Basra," calling it a "fierce battle" involving hand-to-hand combat and bayonets.

Earlier Tuesday, British forces staged a raid into Az-Zubayr, a Basra suburb, and captured a senior Baath party politician for the region while killing 20 of his bodyguards, said Vernon, the British army spokesman. The official was in custody. Vernon also said armed irregular units were firing at British forces outside Basra, and that the Iraqis were apparently using civilians in front of them as human shields.

Coalition forces had hoped to avoid entering Basra, for fear of getting bogged down in urban warfare. But tenacious resistance in the city -- there are an estimated 1,000 pro-Saddam fighters, plus an unknown number of regular troops -- and growing shortages of food and clean water have compelled them to change their strategy.

The Iraqis were firing artillery from the center of the city at British troops, Vernon said, while the British confined their artillery to the city's outskirts, trying to identify clear military targets, especially tanks, and avoid civilian casualties.

Gunner Neil Hughes of the Royal Horse Artillery said the Iraqis were using civilian targets as a shield.

"There's some tanks refueling -- five or six of them -- but we couldn't engage them because they were right next to a built-up area, a hospital," he said. "So it was left to other means."

The health threats in Basra appeared dire.

"The humanitarian situation in Basra is difficult, and very, very tense," said Muin Kassis of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) in neighboring Jordan.

Attempts by The Associated Press to reach Basra residents by telephone were unsuccessful, but international relief agencies had satellite-phone contact with aid workers in the city and expressed deep concern about the fate of trapped civilians.

"It's very alarming, very critical," said Veronique Taveau of the U.N. humanitarian office for Iraq.

The city's electrical power was knocked out Friday during U.S.-British bombing, apparently because high-voltage lines were destroyed. That in turn shut down Basra's water pumping and treatment plants.

The U.N. Children's Fund estimated up to 100,000 Basra children under the age of 5 were at immediate risk of severe disease from the unsafe water, especially life-threatening diarrhea.

The Red Cross reported Tuesday that its technicians reached the Wafa al-Quaid plant, north of the city, after getting security assurances from both sides. But the generators are only a stopgap.

As for Basra's casualties in the current conflict, no official word was directly available, although the Qatar-based Al-Jazeera television quoted Iraqi medics on Saturday as saying 50 people were killed in U.S. bombings.

The Arab network also broadcast grisly footage of civilian casualties in Basra, including a dead child with a horrible head wound -- a picture that aroused anger across the Arab world.

As coalition forces pressed on to Baghdad, British Prime Minister Tony Blair stressed Tuesday that the final miles on the road to the capital would be the most challenging, as U.S. Army troops faced the Medina division of Saddam's Republican Guard.

"This will plainly be a crucial moment," he said.

The Army met sporadic resistance on its journey north. Military reports estimated 500 Iraqis were killed during a two-day sweep by the Army's 3rd Infantry Division past the holy Shiite city of Najaf, said Command Sgt. Maj. Kenneth Preston of the Army's V Corps. At least 20 U.S. troops have been killed and 14 captured or missing since the operation began
 
May 8, 2002
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http://www.cnn.com/virtual/editions/europe/2000/roof/change.pop/frameset.exclude.html
Civil uprising reported in Basra
Tuesday, March 25, 2003 Posted: 10:11 PM EST (0311 GMT)
British Royal Marines prepare to fire a mortar towards Basra on Tuesday.

LONDON, England (CNN) -- British troops and tanks are maneuvering around the city of Basra, where British commanders said it appeared a popular uprising was under way.

Two British soldiers were killed by friendly fire Tuesday night outside the southern Iraqi city, British military officials said. No further details were released.

Iraqi Information Minister Mohamed Saeed al Sahaf told the Arabic television network Al Jazeera that there was no revolt in Basra.

But Richard Gaisford, a reporter in the southern city for the British television network ITN, said British gunners had fired at Iraqi troops who attempted to suppress the revolt with mortar fire.

Journalists Juliet Bremner and Romilly Weeks said British forces were preparing to enter the city if they determined such a move would be useful.

They said British commanders had seen groups of 40 to 50 citizens at various locations on the streets.

The residents of Basra, an important center of Iraq's Shiite population, staged an uprising after the Gulf War of 1991.

But without backup from any of the coalition forces that had driven Saddam Hussein's regime out of Kuwait, hundreds of thousands were killed.

Party leader seized
Earlier Tuesday, British troops seized a senior Baath Party leader from his offices in Az Zubayr, southwest of Basra, said British military spokesman Colonel Chris Vernon.

He added that the swiftly conducted raid was meant to inspire Basra's civilian population into turning against Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's government.

Gaisford, with the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards, said: "Iraqi forces are firing mortar rounds on protesters who are protesting against the Baath Party.

"British forces are massing on the outskirts of Basra waiting to go in. It appears that the people of Basra have had enough of Saddam Hussein's regime and are rising up against the regime."

About 1,000 irregulars of the Iraqi army are estimated to be holed up in Basra, where resistance to the allied advance has been stubborn.

The Saddam Fedayeen militia, dressed in civilian clothes, is also in the city and firing toward the British. There are reports that the Fedayeen, on the outskirts of Basra, are resisting with human shields in front of them.

Vernon said British forces also killed 20 irregulars in the swiftly conducted raid. He added: "We're seizing tactical opportunities as they occur."

British troops turned back a "battalion-sized" counterattack by Iraqi forces Tuesday southeast of Basra and destroyed about 20 armored vehicles, a British military spokesman said.

British officials have said Basra, a city of 1.7 million people which has been without electricity and water for two days, is now a "legitimate military target," with the aim of providing humanitarian relief.

Previously, the allied coalition wanted to avoid fighting inside Basra. But some of the Iraqi 51st Division, which was defending areas south of the city, have pulled back into Basra with artillery, tanks and infantry. (Full story)

British military officials have also said the key Iraqi port of Umm Qasr is now "fully secure" and that aid will be able to enter Iraq through the town "in the near future." (Full story)

EDITOR'S NOTE: CNN's policy is to not report information that puts operational security at risk.
 
Sep 29, 2002
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getting tired of y'all supproting your arguments thru
internet reports. then again, we all do it.

but i just read in time that saddam
commisioned a bunch of american/british
uniforms to be tailored for just such a use.

kind of like the l.a.p.d. doing driveby's
dressed up in gang colors.
 
May 8, 2002
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loki said:
but i just read in time that saddam
commisioned a bunch of american/british
uniforms to be tailored for just such a use.
we discussed that issue here a couple of weeks ago. go into the older topics to check it out. it was started by blight i believe
 
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It's not surprising.
Saddam's forcing his people to people to fight.
It's kill Americans or be killed.
What's fucked up is that he's not only forcing his own soldiers who don't wanna fight, but he's also forcing civilians.

Now that is pure evil....
 
Nov 8, 2002
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loki said:
getting tired of y'all supproting your arguments thru
internet reports. then again, we all do it.

but i just read in time that saddam
commisioned a bunch of american/british
uniforms to be tailored for just such a use.

kind of like the l.a.p.d. doing driveby's
dressed up in gang colors.
LMAO @ that first Comment.

Second, I heard that also.


The last part was comical.

Can you see that? I can.
 
Nov 8, 2002
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Snubnoze said:
he said its pure evil to force people to fight, the draft is forcing people to fight, so by use of logic: The Draft = Pure Evil
The pure evil part is Death for not Fighting.