Iraqi official says limited German, French help won't be forgotten
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No one gave us the authority (except maybe our rather large military forces) to say how a country should be ran, but we are talking more so about how a country SHOULD NOT be ran. I see your point, that is, another country might have different laws, governments, and ways of living, so why should we dictate the way another country lives, so as to enforce our laws upon them. First of all, if you want to argue from a moral standpoint, the government of Iraq was not only in violation of our own laws (which shouldn't matter) but they are in violation of GOD'S will, are they not? To deny someone free will, or even the freedom to write a book based on their own opinions, and like Nostril King said, not be jailed for it. Are those violations of GOD'S will? And should it matter that they might not be in violation of their own higher power? MURDER is MURDER. Who does Iraq belong to, the government or the people who inhabit it? So why is it that the government can slaughter and kill anyone they please for no reason? Maybe Iraq was not a threat to us, but what about the civilians who live there? How much do you want to bet that Saadam has, with his own hands and without any military action, murdered and killed more than one person, during his presence in office.
Im not a very religous person, but I believe there is a book entitled "THE HOLY BIBLE" that speaks upon MURDER and CHAOS.
Here is where you are misinformed. The right to FREE SPEECH in this country is not unlimited. It will give you the right to say ANYTHING you want, to any person in this nation, until you impede on another persons constitutionally given rights. So if I went up to you and said I think your a fucking peice of trash, then you'll have to suck it up. But if I tell you I hate you and I'm going to kill your entire family, then I have stepped on your RIGHTS, therefore the constitution, as far as free speech, no longer protects me from what I have said, and I am subject to disciplinary action.
Then you go on to say that people have been jailed based on the color of their skin, well that is pure speculation. We can all agree that it has more than likely happened, on plenty more than one occasion, but have we any hard proof that it ever happened? And during the times of slavery, yes that is worthy of invasion (I know we would invade another country if that were present) but the times are different now. Other countries either supported slavery, partook in it, or didn't give a shit.
We have unfair policies, every country does, but we don't purposly muder our own people with them.
Im not a very religous person, but I believe there is a book entitled "THE HOLY BIBLE" that speaks upon MURDER and CHAOS.
Here is where you are misinformed. The right to FREE SPEECH in this country is not unlimited. It will give you the right to say ANYTHING you want, to any person in this nation, until you impede on another persons constitutionally given rights. So if I went up to you and said I think your a fucking peice of trash, then you'll have to suck it up. But if I tell you I hate you and I'm going to kill your entire family, then I have stepped on your RIGHTS, therefore the constitution, as far as free speech, no longer protects me from what I have said, and I am subject to disciplinary action.
Then you go on to say that people have been jailed based on the color of their skin, well that is pure speculation. We can all agree that it has more than likely happened, on plenty more than one occasion, but have we any hard proof that it ever happened? And during the times of slavery, yes that is worthy of invasion (I know we would invade another country if that were present) but the times are different now. Other countries either supported slavery, partook in it, or didn't give a shit.
We have unfair policies, every country does, but we don't purposly muder our own people with them.
you sound very hipocritical with your moral backing.
to many question for me to tackle one by one....but you also forgot to mention, that the US supported Saddam more brutal crimes, USA NEVER spoke out on these crimes, and encourge Saddam to kill/gas opposition groups in the south and north...ending any chance for change by the iraqi people...the placing sanctions on iraq, weaking the country/people. Killing even more innocent children. 2 million people died becuase of the sanctions.
NOW that US is using this for one of its reason to invite iraq
oh really? does the "the hold bible" also give the right to the US to kill thousand if not millions of people?
Of course not. But with the strength of our country, should we, by way of invasion, protect those who are innocent by punishing the guilty? Try to understand it from this point of view. There is a difference between cold blooded murder, which would be purposely, and with comeplete forethought, taking the life of another without just cause (like saadam); and killing another human by way of gorilla warfare (like the u.s.). The Bible talks about "en eye for en eye" does it not? If the leaders of Iraq are killing their own people, are we not morally obligated to protect them by doing away with those who are posing the threat?
When I post a reply like this, I am trying to shed light while at the same time, trying learn something. So, with this post, im not telling you the scenerio I just laid out is "All Good", but I want to understand what you think about it. Im leaning to one side, but not completely sure about everything. So although my last post might have sounded hipocritical, I was merely asking a few questions, and giving insight on what is possible. You should be able to distinguish between myself trying to "tell you how it is" and me attempting to understand the situation from all points of view; therefore I will ask questions.
When I post a reply like this, I am trying to shed light while at the same time, trying learn something. So, with this post, im not telling you the scenerio I just laid out is "All Good", but I want to understand what you think about it. Im leaning to one side, but not completely sure about everything. So although my last post might have sounded hipocritical, I was merely asking a few questions, and giving insight on what is possible. You should be able to distinguish between myself trying to "tell you how it is" and me attempting to understand the situation from all points of view; therefore I will ask questions.