iraq war

[TROLL]

^^
i agree..

 

[Y-S]

Maybe someone should start up a new party then.....

 

[Syko Sniper]

Siccness OG Netbangers United

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Maybe someone should start up a new party then.....

There are a number of other parties, some new some old (such as Libertarian Party, Green Party, Communist Party, Constitution Party, Socialist Labor Party, American Nazi party, Family Values Party, Socialist Party USA, The Socialist Equality Party, etc., etc., etc.). The problem is gaining support and of course the very undemocratic nature of the two party system which makes it very difficult for non-repubs/democrats to even get on the ballot in the first place.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

support of our enemy.

What enemy of the US did Saddam support?

you think he wouldnt jump at the chance to finance a major attack on us?

Absolutely not. There would be no motivation or any benefits for him to do so.

 

[[ n a v ]]

So if they are making a nuke and it is not a threat, please explain how it can possibly be used for intimidation and for gaining position as a world super power jesus christ man, perhaps......by threatening?

in this hypothical scenario, they wouldnt need to threaten nebody. not if they had a nuke. if toe to toe with suge knight, would he need to threaten u for you to feel intimidated?
does russia threaten people with their nuke? china? pakistan? the US? what makes u think iran would act any differently? the fact that they posess one is enough to get them into the exclusive "nuke club"

 

[[ n a v ]]

please explain how it can possibly be used for intimidation and for gaining position as a world super power jesus christ man, perhaps......by threatening?

im sorry i thought u were the one who made that change?? be more specific in your questions

 

[short]

you are right about that...lol..tha mothafucka

foley aint gonna go to jail over the sex scandal shit.....apparently the feds dont think the emails were evidence enough.......they dont think the emails were any indication that the congressman went and had sex with the pages....if that shit happened to any of us we would be in jail for life

 

[[ n a v ]]

nucleur iran is no more a threat than nucleur US. the US does much more than make threats, they bomb countrys and kill 100,00s of innocent people based on incorrect information. instilling fear through the use of threats is a political tactic utilized by the majority of major world powers. The united states uses this tactic on its own people. hugo chavez threatens to fist fight george bush. and iran never said that THEY would or should destroy israel themselves. they simply offer their opinion that it should cease to exist. im not saying i agree with this or them or their methods (i am anti-revolution; if u know about the revolution). im just saying its possible they are making threats to keep people from fucking with them UNTIL they have a nuke, because at that point they will be feared/respected enough to not need to make threats. this was done by russia, the us, and many other countrys with nukes.

 

[[ n a v ]]

why do u need to support war to have a valid argument on it? that makes no sense.

 

[|GOD|||ZILLA|]

i didn't read shit past homie with the quotes.. i remember that shit.. weird.. fuck phil

 

[phil]

ha ha. fuck you too.

 

[TROLL]

Marine ordered to kill suspected insurgent who turned out to be a civilian

CAMP PENDLETON, California (AP) -- A Marine pleaded guilty to aggravated assault and conspiracy to obstruct justice before testifying that his squad was ordered to execute a known insurgent who turned out to be a civilian.

Lance Cpl. Tyler A. Jackson, 23, entered the pleas through his attorney Thomas Watt at a military court hearing Monday.

He said the shooting occurred after the squad hatched a plan to kidnap an insurgent who was believed responsible for several explosions, including one that killed four Marines.

Three members of Jackson's unit went into the village of Hamdaniya on April 26 and returned with a prisoner who was then shot by the side of a road on the orders of squad leader Sgt. Lawrence G. Hutchins, Jackson said.

"Sgt. Hutchins ordered us to get on line," Jackson testified. "Everyone fired rounds, including myself, but I fired my rounds above him. I knew he was going to be shot, but I didn't want to be the one to do it."

Military judge Lt. Col. Joseph Lisiecki told Jackson that even if the man he had shot at was a known insurgent, it was still unlawful to kidnap and kill him.

Lisiecki asked Jackson if he thought military rules of engagement permitted him to carry out such a plan.

"No sir," Jackson replied.

Earlier in the hearing, Jackson pleaded not guilty to murder, kidnapping, larceny, housebreaking and another charge of conspiracy. Those charges were later dropped as part of his plea deal after he gave his account of the attack.

Jackson was the third serviceman to plead guilty to reduced charges in return for his testimony in the case, in which seven Camp Pendleton-based Marines and a Navy corpsman were charged with murdering 52-year-old Hashim Ibrahim Awad.

Jackson has been in military prison since May. He faces a maximum of 15 years in prison when he is sentenced on November 16. The term will likely be reduced by the plea agreement.

Last month, Pfc. John Jodka III pleaded guilty to assault and conspiracy to obstruct justice in the incident.

The first to make a deal was Petty Officer 3rd Class Melson J. Bacos, a Navy corpsman on patrol with the Marines. He pleaded guilty to kidnapping and conspiracy and was sentenced to a year in prison.

Bacos and Jodka previously testified that members of the squad abducted Awad -- a former policeman and father of 11 -- after their plot to kidnap and kill the insurgent failed.

A shovel and AK-47 were placed near the body to make it appear Awad was an insurgent planting a roadside bomb, both defendants said.

Both Jodka and Bacos singled out Hutchins as hatching the plan to kidnap the insurgent. Hutchins' attorney, Rich Brannon, has said he did not believe Hutchins did anything wrong.

Jackson's version of events was similar to the testimony of his colleagues. He said Hutchins orchestrated the plan, but everyone agreed to it.

He testified that Cpls. Trent Thomas and Marshall Magincalda, along with Bacos, went to a village and returned with a man. Hutchins then radioed base to say someone had fired at the squad from a hole by the side of the road.

Jackson said the squad then opened fire on the man, who walked a short distance. Two squad members fired the final shots, Jackson said.

"Sgt. Hutchins and Cpl. Thomas fired several rounds, at which time I could tell he was dead," Jackson testified.

Jackson said that to his knowledge the man was a known insurgent. He learned later that it was Awad, he said.

Jackson said Bacos fired an AK-47 in the air, and Magincalda put the expended bullet casings and gun by Awad's body.

Magincalda told him that if anyone asked about the incident, he should "stick to the story," Jackson testified.

"If we were ever asked about the incident or how it came about, we would tell the story of the man who was digging a hole on the side of the road," Jackson said.

Jackson joined the Marines in March 2005 and was on his first combat tour.

His father declined to comment. A Web site set up by Jackson's family to raise money for his defense said Jackson was innocent.

"To send these men to war to do a job and then imprison them for doing it is absurd," the Web site states. "Why are they being subjected to less rights and freedom of movement than the very terrorists they put their lives on the line to protect the world from?" the site states.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/06/marines.iraq.shooting.ap/index.html

thought this should go here..

 

[PGBD]

Marine ordered to kill suspected insurgent who turned out to be a civilian

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/06/marines.iraq.shooting.ap/index.html

thought this should go here..

Again, bringing up one isolated incident and trying to make it seem like it's an indication of what the group as a whole is doing.

By the way, I've been more condescending towards you than you've been towards me. Sorry for being hypocritical when asking you to not talk down to me, Troll.

 

[TROLL]

Again, bringing up one isolated incident and trying to make it seem like it's an indication of what the group as a whole is doing.

i didnt make anything seem like it was anything more then an article that was written, i didnt make any additions nor added my own comments..

By the way, I've been more condescending towards you than you've been towards me. Sorry for being hypocritical when asking you to not talk down to me, Troll.

no prob, it goes both wayz

 

[PGBD]

not as far as him actually bombing us or something but his hatred and support of our enemy. you think he wouldnt jump at the chance to finance a major attack on us? thats what i was speaking of not actual military threat LIKE KOREA AND IRAN.

Very true.

 

[PGBD]

if we leave were doing a great disservice to the people. the civil war wasnt actually a civil war til we got there. it was more like hatfield and mccoy shit. but if we stay we lose american lives for nothing.

You're right, if we leave now it'll be worse off then when we got there for both the U.S. and the Iraqi people. So we must stay and win, so that the American lives that have been lost won't have been lost in vain.

i still believe saddam was a threat to the u.s. but now i dont think it was worth it to take him out like that. we have leaders in iran and korea who actually HAVE OR ARE ADMITTING TO MAKING NUCLEAR DEVICES. and all we do is give them sanctions??? come on now thats boo boo. lets be consistent here bush.

The reason we went there was because Saddam was leading on as if he had weapons of mass destruction. He was playing a psychological game in order to keep everyone guessing and thus use this confusion as a tool for intimidation and manipulation. Read the article below.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/236jmcbd.asp

 

[Gringo Starr]

You're right, if we leave now it'll be worse off then when we got there for both the U.S. and the Iraqi people. So we must stay and win, so that the American lives that have been lost won't be lost in vain.

I dont post here much, but I found this interesting. Can you explain how the US can win?

 

[2-0-NINE]

Exactly, if the US, just leaves, their government should demand money from the US to restore what they destroyed. Just FUCKING LEAVE, SO NO MORE SOLDIERS AND INNOCENT PEOPLE DIE!!!! FUCK BUSH!