in god we trust

[HERESY]

its another step towards the New World Order. The illuminatti are satanic, and by removing "In God We Trust" they are gradually moving us towards a godless, satanic existence.

no more god. no more references to jesus. no more ten commandments. god is not needed.

someone seems to see the light. on a personal note i could care less if they keep it or not. on the bill you see in god we trust. yet on that same bill you see the ALL SEEING EYE (EYE OF NIMROD) AN ILLUMINATED EYE/BUILDING (MASONIC SYMBOLOGY) AND NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM (FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF).

ANOTHER THING IS WHICH "GOD" ARE THEY TRUSTING IN? ARE THEY SERVING MAMMON(MONEY)? ARE THEY SAYING THAT THEY TRUST IN MONEY? ARE THEY SAYING THEY TRUST IN YHWH? WHAT ABOUT MARDUKE? WHAT ABOUT THE "MYSTERY" GOD?


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[Snubnoze]

Aight, none of you opinions really matter, READ THE CONSTITUTION. Read it and come back and tell me that "God" being promoted by our government is acceptible, and I'll slap you in the face. Thier are two things, THE ESTABLISHMENT, and FREE EXERCISE. THE ESTABLISHMENT, meaning the government, can not promote any religion, can't pass laws favoring a religion, and must have a COMPLETE seperation of church and state. FREE EXERCISE on the otherhand, is the PEOPLE, WE can excercise our beliefs untill the point that it would conflict with other peoples freedoms. Taking "GOD" out of the ESTABLISHMENT is no conspiracy to get rid of GOD its simply following the CONSTITUTION.

Now on this whole belief that people going astray from religion is gonna make some satanic existince is ludacris and flat out offends me. What is happening is over time peoples heads are starting to come out of their ass, and their realising we live in reality and not fantasy. I always end up having to stress that their is a misconception the people without God are somehow "satanic" or bad people. Shit, look at all the fucked up thing people WITH religion have done. How many countries have athiest taken over? How many times have atheist killed people who don't agree with their beliefs?

And about "this country was founded on christian principles" what? Slavery and Genocide?

 

[HERESY]

Aight, none of you opinions really matter, READ THE CONSTITUTION. Read it and come back and tell me that "God" being promoted by our government is acceptible, and I'll slap you in the face.

1.I DOUBT THAT YOU WILL SLAP ANYONE.2.NO OUR OPINIONS DONT MATTER (JUST LIKE YOUR VOTES DONT MATTER)

Thier are two things, THE ESTABLISHMENT, and FREE EXERCISE. THE ESTABLISHMENT, meaning the government, can not promote any religion, can't pass laws favoring a religion, and must have a COMPLETE seperation of church and state. FREE EXERCISE on the otherhand, is the PEOPLE, WE can excercise our beliefs untill the point that it would conflict with other peoples freedoms. Taking "GOD" out of the ESTABLISHMENT is no conspiracy to get rid of GOD its simply following the CONSTITUTION.

THEY ARE NOT TAKING GOD OUT OF THE "ESTABLISHMENT" THEY ARE TAKING GOD OUT OF THE PLEDGE AND AMERICA AMERICA. HAVE YOU READ WHAT YOU TYPED.

Now on this whole belief that people going astray from religion is gonna make some satanic existince is ludacris and flat out offends me. What is happening is over time peoples heads are starting to come out of their ass, and their realising we live in reality and not fantasy.

ACTUALLY NOT TO MANY PEOPLE ARE WAKING UP AND REALIZING WHATS GOING ON. IF YOU UNDERSTOOD THE BILDERBERGERS AND ROTHS (OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE NO CLUE AS TO WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY DO) YOU WOULD NOT HAVE MADE THE STATEMENT. THEY ***DO*** WORSHIP AND SERVE AN "ILLUMINATED" GOD. WHO CARES IF IT OFFENDS? YOUR OPINION MEANS LITTLE TO ME OR ANYONE ELSE ON THE BOARD. TRUST ME ON THAT.

I always end up having to stress that their is a misconception the people without God are somehow "satanic" or bad people. Shit, look at all the fucked up thing people WITH religion have done. How many countries have athiest taken over? How many times have atheist killed people who don't agree with their beliefs?

ATHEIST KILL MANY PEOPLE. JUST LIKE SATANIST.JUST LIKE JEWS,JUST LIKE BAPTIST. HELL LOOK AT THE KU KLUX KLAN. THEY PROFESS TO BE "CHRISTIAN" YET THEY HAVE LNCHED AND KILLED THOUSANDS OF AFRICAN AMERICANS. WHAT RELIGION WAS HITLER? WHAT ABOUT NERO? SO ITS ON THE INDIVIDUAL TO KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG. PEOPLE DRIVE CARS. PEOPLE DRIVE DRUNK. DOES THAT MEAN LIQUOR AND CARS SHOULD BE BANNED? NO IT MEANS YOU SHOULD BE ***RESPONSIBLE***.

And about "this country was founded on christian principles" what? Slavery and Genocide?

ACTUALLY IT WAS FOUNDED ON FREEMASONRY AND CATHOLICISM. NOT CHRISTIANITY. HOWEVER CHRISTIANITY RIGHT NOW IS WARPED AND TAINTED ALSO.


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THE ILLUMINATI WERE NOT JUST INVOLVED,THEY WERE THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND THE CREATION OF WHAT WE NOW CALL THE UNITED STATES.

^^^ IS TAKEN FROM THE INTRO "NOVOUS ORDO SECLORUM" WHICH APPEARS ON "THE SINOGOGS OF GOG AND MAGOG" PERFORMED WRITTEN AND COMPOSED BY HERESY FOR TIP TOE IS BACK PUBLISHING ASCAP.

 

[Snubnoze]

THEY ARE NOT TAKING GOD OUT OF THE "ESTABLISHMENT" THEY ARE TAKING GOD OUT OF THE PLEDGE AND AMERICA AMERICA. HAVE YOU READ WHAT YOU TYPED

Yea, and the Pledge is a Government backed activity. PUBLIC SCHOOLS which our taxes pay for make it an everyday event. The Pledge is a product of the ESTABLISHMENT, therefore it must follow the Freedom Of Religion rules that apply to the ESTABLISHMENT.

THEY ***DO*** WORSHIP AND SERVE AN "ILLUMINATED" GOD. WHO CARES IF IT OFFENDS? YOUR OPINION MEANS LITTLE TO ME OR ANYONE ELSE ON THE BOARD. TRUST ME ON THAT.

People worshiping a "God" does not offend me..... whats your point? Your distorted opinions means little to me, TRUST ME ON THAT...

ATHEIST KILL MANY PEOPLE. JUST LIKE SATANIST.JUST LIKE JEWS,JUST LIKE BAPTIST. HELL LOOK AT THE KU KLUX KLAN. THEY PROFESS TO BE "CHRISTIAN" YET THEY HAVE LNCHED AND KILLED THOUSANDS OF AFRICAN AMERICANS. WHAT RELIGION WAS HITLER? WHAT ABOUT NERO? SO ITS ON THE INDIVIDUAL TO KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG. PEOPLE DRIVE CARS. PEOPLE DRIVE DRUNK. DOES THAT MEAN LIQUOR AND CARS SHOULD BE BANNED? NO IT MEANS YOU SHOULD BE ***RESPONSIBLE***

Sure everybody kills, but when people do it in the name of their beliefs its a whole different matter. Look at what the missionaries did to the natives, convert or die. Look what people are doing in the name of Islam right now. People's views might be skewed, but yet you don't see people killing people in the name of athiesm...

ACTUALLY IT WAS FOUNDED ON FREEMASONRY AND CATHOLICISM. NOT CHRISTIANITY. HOWEVER CHRISTIANITY RIGHT NOW IS WARPED AND TAINTED ALSO.

aight, lemme rephrase "This country was founded on Freemason and Catholic values like slavery and genocide"

Just cause you have a bible in your hand, don't make you have a higher level of morality...

 

[HERESY]

Yea, and the Pledge is a Government backed activity. PUBLIC SCHOOLS which our taxes pay for make it an everyday event. The Pledge is a product of the ESTABLISHMENT, therefore it must follow the Freedom Of Religion rules that apply to the ESTABLISHMENT.

THE PLEDGE HAS NEVER BEEN SANCTIONED BY ANY GOVERNING BODY. IT IS NOT A REQUIRED ACT. THEREFORE IT IS NOT A PRODUCT OF THE ESTABLISHMENT. IT WOULD BE A PRODUCT OF THE ESTABLISHMENT IF THE GOVERNMENT OWNED,PUBLISHING AND HAD A COPYRIGHT ON THE PLEDGE. IF IT WAS A PRODUCT OF THE ESTABLISHMENT (IT ISNT BUT LETS PLAY DEVILS ADVOCATE) WHY IS IT

1.NOT REQUIRED

2.WHY DOES IT CONTRADICT THE FREEDOM OF RELIGION RULE?

People worshiping a "God" does not offend me.....

I NEVER SAID IT DID.

whats your point?

WHEN YOU SAID

Now on this whole belief that people going astray from religion is gonna make some satanic existince is ludacris and flat out offends me.

MY RESPONSE WAS GIVEN SO THAT YOU WOULD KNOW THAT:

1.THE ILLUMINATI AND POWERS TO BE *ARE* "SATANIC".

2.THEY HAVE ALWAYS AND WILL ALWAYS USE OCCULT SYMBOLISM (TAKE THE DOLLAR BILL,THE OBELISK AND THE SATUE OF LIBERTY FOR EXAMPLE)

WHEN I SAID WHO CARES IF IT OFFENDS YOU I AM REPLYING TO SOMETHING YOU SAID. YOU SAID YOU ARE OFFENDED. I ASKED WHO CARES? NO ONE REALLY DOES SNUB. YOU ARE VERY INSIGNIFICANT RIGHT ABOUT NOW. AS A PERSON AND IN THE "GRAND SCHEME" OF THINGS. TRUST ME ON THAT.

Sure everybody kills, but when people do it in the name of their beliefs its a whole different matter. Look at what the missionaries did to the natives, convert or die. Look what people are doing in the name of Islam right now. People's views might be skewed, but yet you don't see people killing people in the name of athiesm...

1.IF THOSE MISSIONARIES WERE TRULY LEAD BY GOD TO CONVERT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE DID WHAT THEY DID. AS FAR AS ISLAM IS CONCERNED SAME THING. THE QURAN ACTUALLY DOES ***NOT*** ENDORSE SUICIDE BOMBINGS AND MURDER. IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT ISLAM OR THE QURAN (OBVIOUSLY YOU DONT) YOU WOULD KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE ABUSING IT. JUST LIKE PEOPLE HAVE ABUSED THE BIBLE. JUST LIKE PEOPLE ABUSE GIN AND COGNAC. JUST LIKE PEOPLE HAVE ABUSED THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH. YOU DONT SEE PEOPLE KILLING IN THE NAME OF ATHEISM? OK IM GONNA COME BACK TO THAT IN ANOTHER POST.

Just cause you have a bible in your hand, don't make you have a higher level of morality...

WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT JESUS TAUGHT AND PREACHED.


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[Hit The Blunt]

"can't pass laws favoring a religion, and must have a COMPLETE seperation of church and state."

First of all you keep saying read the constitution but it doesn't seem that you have. Where does this term seperation of church and state appear in the constitution? if it does not appear there then why must it be COMPLETE? Again what is said is

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".

That sentence does not mean that "a god" can not be mentioned. It means no LAW can be made IN REGARDS to an ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION. i.e the Angelican Church (am I repeating myself). Or maybe in today's terms no LAW can be made IN REGARDS to Lutherans or Mormons or Budists or Muslims..get the drift? "one nation under God" in the pledge violates that in no way. Regardless of the fact that it is not in regards to a religion, it is also not even a law.

 

[odogfelon]

Re: Re: in god we trust

That's an idiotic statement...

WHAT IS SO IDIOTIC ABOUT IT?
ENLIGHTEN ME, PLEASE.

 

[Snubnoze]

Hit The Blunt...

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment01/01.html#1

read up a bit...

 

[HERESY]

SNUB THE LINK YOU POSTED ACTUALLY AGREES WITH WHAT BLUNT IS TELLING YOU.


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[Unregistered]

4fifteenRolla, the government is nowhere near "stupid." If anyone's "stupid" here, it's the people. Something happens, the government twists it up to make themselves seem like victims and "Americans" buy it... no questions asked. Who's "stupid" there? Instead of "stupid," let's just say "ignorant" or "un-informed."

I don't know about the government's "God," but I sure know I'm not a part of it, and I want no part in it.

 

[Snubnoze]

Yes, he is right on his arguement about me saying "just read the constituiton" I can admit that. I forgot how vague the constitution was, I was basing myself what that sentence has been described as over the years. But for my arguement on its constitutionality, my point is it goes BEYOND what the constitution says as its been expanded. Over the years that small sentence has been expanded and described in more detail based on court cases etc...

this is TODAY what is concieved on the first amendment regarding Freedom of Religion. (as it was taught to me in school and what I have researched):

Freedom of Religion - Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise there of.

then it breaks down in to two clauses, one being for the first part of that statement, other for the second.

Establishment- "our beleifs"; govt can't set up a religion, govt cannot pass laws which aid or prefer any religion. Total seperation of Church and State.

Free Exercise: "our actions" actions based on belief may be restricted if the action violates a govt interest or higher societal value.

Now even that one scentence in the constitution is enough for me to make "god" unconstitutional, considering God relates to religion, and the govt cannot recognize an establishment of religion.

And Heresay maybe its a lil comfortaing to know this was taught to me by a very liberal teacher, who was one of the best teachers Ive ever had. He's actually in the process of writing a book about all the fucked up shit our govt has done to us and people in other countries. we had a whole unit based on it. lots of disturbing stuff that I wouldn't been able to believe if heard before. He opened my eyes to corruption in our govt, and all over the world that I was ignorant to before I stepped into his class....

 

[HERESY]

^^^ SNUB SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A GREAT TEACHER. THATS GOOD THAT THIS TEACHER TAKES TIME TO SHOW YOU AND TELL YOU THE TRUTH.

ME MYSELF I CAN CARE LESS ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION BRO. THEY ARE GOING TO ABOLISH IT ANYWAY. I ALSO COULD CARE LESS ABOUT "IN GOD WE TRUST".


ITS NOT UNCONSTITUTIONAL...WHY? ITS NOT A LAW. YOU ARE NOT RREQUIRED BY ANY STATE OR GOVERNING BODY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE. ME MYSELF I DONT TAKE THE PLEDGE,I DONT SING GOD BLESS AMERICA AND I DONT DIG THE NATIONAL ANTHEM. I STOPPED DOING THAT IN 6TH GRADE WHEN I GOT A HOLD OF A PUBLIC ENEMY TAPE.

YOU MUST REMEMBER ONE THING. IF THE PLEDGE WAS ***REQUIRED*** BY LAW YOU WOULD HAVE A POINT. HOWEVER SENSE NO LAW HAS BEEN MADE IN REGARDS TO THE PLEDGE OR IN GOD WE TRUST IT DOESNT APPLY.

Establishment- "our beleifs"; govt can't set up a religion, govt cannot pass laws which aid or prefer any religion. Total seperation of Church and State.

NOW I ASK YOU A SIMPLE QUESTION.


WHAT LAW HAS BEEN PASSED WHICH AIDS OR PREFERS ANY RELIGION?


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[Villain]

Re: Re: Re: in god we trust

WHAT IS SO IDIOTIC ABOUT IT?
ENLIGHTEN ME, PLEASE.

Ummmm....because you said, you'll become a terrorist is they take "In God We Trust" off of money...

You're retarted...

 

[Snubnoze]

WHAT LAW HAS BEEN PASSED WHICH AIDS OR PREFERS ANY RELIGION?

thats not the problem "Total seperation of Church and State" is where it gets to me.

aside from the whole legality issue, do you really think its necisary to have "god" in the pledge? do you think it helps in anyway. and why should people who might be patriotic and want to participate in patriotism be forced to either sit out, or expess something they do not believe in?

And I think its pretty rediculous when we got a president that practically said he is only going to apoint judges who believe in god. and I doubt he is talking about allah, and I doubt he wants jewish people, so that pretty much narrows it down to rich white christians. Probobly the most destructive people in our history....

 

[2-0-Sixx]

"No, I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." - George Bush

 

[Dosia]

when did he say that?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

August 27, 1987

 

[2-0-Sixx]

"After all, religion has been around a lot longer than Darwinism."
-George W. Bush 2001

"I've heard the call. I believe God wants me to run for president."
-G.W. Bush, Sept. 2000


"Do you have blacks, too?"
-- George W. Bush, meeting with Brazilian President Fernando Henrique Cardoso; allegedly, in this incident, reportedly witnessed only by members of the White House Press Corps, Condoleezza Rice was present and jumped in to save Cardoso from having to answer, informing Bush that in fact Brazil is home to more blacks than any country outside Africa (unverified: November 2, 2001?)

Hundreds more like the above quotes can be found http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/bush.htm

 

[Hit The Blunt]

snubnose: The fact of the matter is I didn't get into this to talk about the way in which we as americans are getting weened away from the constitution. My point is what the constitution said about the matter and the reason it was put there. I could say one sentence and if judge after judge talks about it trying to throw their personal opinion into my original statement then eventually a judge is going to be arguing about something completly different then what I was talking about in the first place.

Remember as you said:
"In God we trust" wouldn't be takin off because its "offensive", its because its "Un Constitutional" just as "one nation under god" is. Read the constitution to find your answers...."

That was my point if you read the constitution, indeed, you will find your answers. but it was not the answer you mentioned. That is what is going wrong....we being weened from the constitution letting biased judges make interpetations of those things which were supposed to be the things set in stone for this country. But I guess it all doesn't matter because I see the Earth Charter or some other UN type of thing taking over anyway.

 

[HERESY]

thats not the problem "Total seperation of Church and State" is where it gets to me.

PLEASE EXPLAIN.

aside from the whole legality issue, do you really think its necisary to have "god" in the pledge?

ARE YOU ASKING ME THAT QUESTION OR IS IT IN GENERAL? IF ITS TO ME I WILL REFER YOU TO PREVIOUS POSTS FOR YOUR ANSWER.

And I think its pretty rediculous when we got a president that practically said he is only going to apoint judges who believe in god. and I doubt he is talking about allah, and I doubt he wants jewish people, so that pretty much narrows it down to rich white christians. Probobly the most destructive people in our history....

RICH WHITE SO CALLED CHRISTIANS. SNUB FOR BUSH TO BE A BONESMAN AND A CHRISTIAN IS A PARADOX/OXYMORON. ALLAH IS A "GENERAL" TERM. IT DOES NOT DENOTE A "PERSONAL" GOD. NOW IF HE SAID "ONE NATION UNDER YESHUA HA MASHIACH" OR "ONE NATION UNDER YHWH" YOU WOULD HAVE A POINT.

WHAT BUSH REALLY WANTS IS A ONE WORLD SYSTEM. WHY ELSE WOULD HE SAY:


"WHAT IS AT STAKE IS NOT ONE SMALL COUNTRY. IT IS A BIG IDEA, A NEW WORLD ORDER"


GEORGE BUSH SR. State of the Union speech January, 1991


THOSE ARE THE WORDS OF A BILDERBERGER,CFR,BONESMEN AND TLC MEMBER.


DONT JUST "ASSUME" THAT THESE GUYS ARE CHRISTIANS OR THAT THEY HAVE ACCEPTED YESHUA AS SAVIOUR. WHEN YOU ARE A MASON YOU DONT WORSHIP THE GOD OF ISRAEL. YOU WORSHIP A "GOD". AN "ILLUMINATED" GOD. YOU DONT WORSHIP THE GOD OF THE BIBLE........KEEP THAT IN MIND.


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