I now see Hurling, Darts and Robot Fighting above the NBA
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hmm, yeah those videos didn't do anything for me. I'm just not into it. I respect the skill it took but it didn't excite me at all. It's like watching a hockey replay, wow he hit the puck into the net, fantastic!
I mean, I can watch Devin Hester alone and see much more excitement then that, example:
Simple ass video, basically Hester just runs, but the excitement is the same as any video you showed. Everyone was going nuts when that happened.
But when it comes to sports, you must admit it's a cultural thing. If I was born and raised in Europe, I'm sure Soccer would be my favorite sport. Or if my family introduced it into my life at an early age. It's something you have to be raised into. I can't pick it up now even if I wanted to. It's like eating Sushi. I hate Sushi but I'm sure if it was introduced into my life when I was a young kid I'd love it. That's true with sports.
I mean, I can watch Devin Hester alone and see much more excitement then that, example:
Simple ass video, basically Hester just runs, but the excitement is the same as any video you showed. Everyone was going nuts when that happened.
But when it comes to sports, you must admit it's a cultural thing. If I was born and raised in Europe, I'm sure Soccer would be my favorite sport. Or if my family introduced it into my life at an early age. It's something you have to be raised into. I can't pick it up now even if I wanted to. It's like eating Sushi. I hate Sushi but I'm sure if it was introduced into my life when I was a young kid I'd love it. That's true with sports.
but it is just running, that is my whole point
there is nothing particularly amazing about somebody outrunning his opponents, all it takes is physical power and very little skill
while Maradona owning 6 defenders in a row and scoring in a World Cup semifinal, (or Kobe hitting an impossible off-balance buzzer beater to illustrate my point that basketball is the other sport that is in the same category) definitely require a lot of skill and talent
I understand that if you are conditioned to get excited about running with a melon-like object in your hands, then you might see some beauty in it, but for me it is very hard (and it is not as if I hadn't tried)
there is nothing particularly amazing about somebody outrunning his opponents, all it takes is physical power and very little skill
while Maradona owning 6 defenders in a row and scoring in a World Cup semifinal, (or Kobe hitting an impossible off-balance buzzer beater to illustrate my point that basketball is the other sport that is in the same category) definitely require a lot of skill and talent
I understand that if you are conditioned to get excited about running with a melon-like object in your hands, then you might see some beauty in it, but for me it is very hard (and it is not as if I hadn't tried)
No, it's not just running (that particular play was). Passing, kicking, hitting, what types of plays to run, defense, etc. We already went over that american football is more complex than soccer.
And it takes physical skill to make a goal in soccer too.
Hester owned 12 players on that particular play. And I can post endless amounts of plays much better than a kick return for a TD on the opening play off the superbowl as well (the point of posting that particular play was to show the excitement it generates, just like the excitement generated in the videos you posted).
But that's the complexity of footballl. It's a team effort. There is no such thing as the best player, the team, including coaches and staff, all have to be great in order to succeed. If you prefer individualism then boxing/mma is the sport, but i doubt you like those either (and there definiately exists and art form and science in both of these sports).
And this was my point - I am not accustomed to it, most americans aren't, just as you aren't into american football. It's for the most part a cultural thing (why didn't you comment on that part?). I mean, why do Canadians love hockey but hardly anyone else does?
You can simplify American football by saying it's just people running with a melon-shaped object, well the same can be said about soccer - people running around chasing a circular object and try to kick it into a net. But we both know each sport is much more than just that. And it's silly to debate which sport is better since our brains have been conditioned to hold certain opinions that cannot be changed.
And it takes physical skill to make a goal in soccer too.
Hester owned 12 players on that particular play. And I can post endless amounts of plays much better than a kick return for a TD on the opening play off the superbowl as well (the point of posting that particular play was to show the excitement it generates, just like the excitement generated in the videos you posted).
But that's the complexity of footballl. It's a team effort. There is no such thing as the best player, the team, including coaches and staff, all have to be great in order to succeed. If you prefer individualism then boxing/mma is the sport, but i doubt you like those either (and there definiately exists and art form and science in both of these sports).
And this was my point - I am not accustomed to it, most americans aren't, just as you aren't into american football. It's for the most part a cultural thing (why didn't you comment on that part?). I mean, why do Canadians love hockey but hardly anyone else does?
You can simplify American football by saying it's just people running with a melon-shaped object, well the same can be said about soccer - people running around chasing a circular object and try to kick it into a net. But we both know each sport is much more than just that. And it's silly to debate which sport is better since our brains have been conditioned to hold certain opinions that cannot be changed.
I agree with ThaG in that Soccer allows more creativity from an individual player than the NFL does. I would also agree that soccer is more of an art than football, and for the same valid reasons he pointed out. I have been raised playing soccer so I appreciate it way more. However, when you see people like Walter Payton and Barry Sanders, you cannot ignore the artistic beauty of their style of play. Anything and everything is an art because an art is whatever you make it out to be. Football just requires different kinds of players, everything from 300 pound monsters to play in the trenches to a kicker to a quarterback to a running back to a WR. Each position requires different abilities and strengths, yet the team as a whole represents something bigger than the individual players. I would say that it is an art to see such different abilities and strengths come together and organize, following things like game plans and play books that they study for countless amounts of hours a day.
I don't disagree with you, I just think that I didn't make one of my points clear enough - european football allows you to do the things you see on TV; you might not run as fast or kick the ball as hard as the pros, but you can develop the same level of skills on your own and you can feel good and play the game on a high level, and create the art yourself (provided that you have people around on a certain level that is sufficiently high to allow you to do it, which itself might be hard, especially outside the continents where the game is a religion). You can't really do the same thing with american football because it is so much of a team sport and everybody is so specialized. And you need to be 300 pounds (I hate pounds, feet, inches, etc. too but that is another discussion which I will not get into here). The things you see on TV, you can't possibly do in the school yard. I don't like that, I don't know about you
Something else I want to point out and I end the discussion because the whole thing is really off-topic and I started it: I get the impression that the game in the US is very much restricted to schools, colleges, etc., and you will never see people playing in the street. While everywhere else you grow up with it and it is played everywhere where you can find some 20 x 30 meters space, 4 stones/backpacks for goals and a ball. Unless you've gone through that, playing the game in your school yard, on the street, indoor, every day for most of your childhood, you will never be able to understand what it means for people who have done that. And it will look foreign and strange to you, and you will not be able to appreciate it.
Something else I want to point out and I end the discussion because the whole thing is really off-topic and I started it: I get the impression that the game in the US is very much restricted to schools, colleges, etc., and you will never see people playing in the street. While everywhere else you grow up with it and it is played everywhere where you can find some 20 x 30 meters space, 4 stones/backpacks for goals and a ball. Unless you've gone through that, playing the game in your school yard, on the street, indoor, every day for most of your childhood, you will never be able to understand what it means for people who have done that. And it will look foreign and strange to you, and you will not be able to appreciate it.
