how the fuck they gonna be the King of anything?...aint no king of the west..and if it was..we would have to base that upon record sales and fanbase period point blank...like cesolito said..fuck all this "thats mainstream we are too gangsta for mainstream" bullshit..units talk...sorry but thats how it is
I CONSIDER LYNCH KING OF THE WEST SINCE PAC DIED!!!
- Thread starter Justin
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You getting it twisted GO BACK AND READ carefully, Thats not what we was saying. We wasn't saying Snoop's music is better than Raided or etc. We was saying there is no king and if it was it would be the individual with more fame and fortune and exposure. Common sense would tell you that. If we was gonna go by verses, Lyrically Crooked I shits on all three individuals. But thats not what Me and Mtown Criminal was saying. We was jsut saying to be king you have to be well known from sells, T.v. and the whole field.
Read carefully before you get offended.
The title of this thread didn't say Underground artist only. It said Since Pac died. We all know Pac was and is mainstream to the fullest since when do you got to a ladies house and see a Lynch or Raided poster on her wall with her saying thats my husband? (Very very rare I never seen it) But if you go to most ladies house you may see a poster or picture of 2 PAC, Snoop, or any major artist. thats my point.
@Edj..yea thats exactly what im sayin..lol..u know damn well thats not what i meant...what would be the standards for being considered the king? the one person that YOU think is the tightest? naw it doesnt work like that..check my profile Lynch is my fav rap artist but that doesnt matter cuz like i said Units talk...otherwise its all opinion and in that case every rapper in Cali would be considered the king according to whoever u asked
CESOLITO,
WHAT DO YOU BE DOIN', gOIN' TO THE STORES AND CHECCIN' THEY SCANS? I BELIEVE IT TAKES MORE THAN SALES TO BE CONSIDERED THE KINg. IT WOULD HAVE TO DO WITH CLOUT AND BUZZ YOU HAVE gOIN'. AND SALES AND AIN'T A CLEAR INDICATION OF THAT.
M-TOWN,
YOU CAN'T PLAY BOTH SIDES. EITHA IT IS OR IT AIN'T. WHAT MAKES A MUTHA-FUKA KINg? WHEN YOU HAVE EVERYBODY'S OPINION LOVIN' YOUR SHIT, AND YOU OUT THERE WITH A BIg BUZZ.
WHAT DO YOU BE DOIN', gOIN' TO THE STORES AND CHECCIN' THEY SCANS? I BELIEVE IT TAKES MORE THAN SALES TO BE CONSIDERED THE KINg. IT WOULD HAVE TO DO WITH CLOUT AND BUZZ YOU HAVE gOIN'. AND SALES AND AIN'T A CLEAR INDICATION OF THAT.
M-TOWN,
YOU CAN'T PLAY BOTH SIDES. EITHA IT IS OR IT AIN'T. WHAT MAKES A MUTHA-FUKA KINg? WHEN YOU HAVE EVERYBODY'S OPINION LOVIN' YOUR SHIT, AND YOU OUT THERE WITH A BIg BUZZ.
^^^ play both sides? man u just cant handle it when u are wrong dogg thats why i just quit responding when your involved..cuz u just said what the fuck i been sayin
"when everybodys lovin your shit and your out there with a big buzz"..haha..so the dude who is sellin 15,000 units has more people "lovin his shit" and has a "bigger buzz" than the dude who pushed 1.5mill??? lmao..4REAAAAALZ
"when everybodys lovin your shit and your out there with a big buzz"..haha..so the dude who is sellin 15,000 units has more people "lovin his shit" and has a "bigger buzz" than the dude who pushed 1.5mill??? lmao..4REAAAAALZ
^READ WHAT I TOLD CESOLITO. "AND SALES AND AIN'T A CLEAR INDICATION OF THAT."
HOW THE FUK AM I WRONg? THAT YOU gOIN' BY SALES? AgAIN I REPEAT, WITH THAT TYPE OF THINKIN', N-E MAINSTREAM ARTIST IS SHITTIN' ON THE UNDA-gROUND. SO WITH YOU THINKIN' LIKE THAT, WHAT YOU EVEN LISTENIN' TO UNDA-gROUND SHIT FOR? WHEN YOU HAVE A BUZZ, THAT DON'T MEAN YOU PUSHIN' HELL OF UNITS NECESSARILY. IT JUST MEANS MUTHA-FUKAS KNOW OF YOU.
HOW THE FUK AM I WRONg? THAT YOU gOIN' BY SALES? AgAIN I REPEAT, WITH THAT TYPE OF THINKIN', N-E MAINSTREAM ARTIST IS SHITTIN' ON THE UNDA-gROUND. SO WITH YOU THINKIN' LIKE THAT, WHAT YOU EVEN LISTENIN' TO UNDA-gROUND SHIT FOR? WHEN YOU HAVE A BUZZ, THAT DON'T MEAN YOU PUSHIN' HELL OF UNITS NECESSARILY. IT JUST MEANS MUTHA-FUKAS KNOW OF YOU.
^^ hahahaha....so becuz i can admit that in the big picture muthafuckaz in the mainstream are shittin on underground artist sales wise..fan wise...etc etc i shouldnt listen to udnerground? man u probably think your the king of the west..well with your all them hits u gtettin on soundclick and all..thats a muthafuckin buzz..we needa start callin u Sire and shit huh..
besides that dumb shit...this doesnt change the fact that u said being the king is when " u have everybodys opinion lovin your shit and a buzz"..well i think the fact that these muthafuckaz can do sell out shows and move a million units kind of implicates that they have a bigger buzz and a bigger fanbase and more mufuckaz feelin there shit..as opposed to the cats who doin shows to 300 people and movin barely 10,000 units....point blank..not everybody feels the same way as u and i when it comes to music..politics...way of life etc etc...so u need to understand that when tryin to participate in conversations like this..next time say .."whos the king of the west coast underground scene according to a census takin of 1000 people who live in the west coast and listen to only west coast underground gangsta rap" the end..im done go head and break it down and tell me what i "stressed" and why im wrong PEACE AND PROSPERITY KILLAA
besides that dumb shit...this doesnt change the fact that u said being the king is when " u have everybodys opinion lovin your shit and a buzz"..well i think the fact that these muthafuckaz can do sell out shows and move a million units kind of implicates that they have a bigger buzz and a bigger fanbase and more mufuckaz feelin there shit..as opposed to the cats who doin shows to 300 people and movin barely 10,000 units....point blank..not everybody feels the same way as u and i when it comes to music..politics...way of life etc etc...so u need to understand that when tryin to participate in conversations like this..next time say .."whos the king of the west coast underground scene according to a census takin of 1000 people who live in the west coast and listen to only west coast underground gangsta rap" the end..im done go head and break it down and tell me what i "stressed" and why im wrong PEACE AND PROSPERITY KILLAA
^YOU FORgOT WHERE YOU AT.
FIFTY FIRST OF ALL,
I DIDN'T MAKE THIS THREAD OR ELSE I WOULD OF LABELED IT RIgHT, LIKE YOU INDICATED IT. BEST BELIEVE THE WORD UNDA-gROUND WOULD OF BEEN INCLUDED.
XCONDLY,
FUK THE MAINSTREAM. IT'S ALL CORPORATE POLITIKS. AND YES, I DO BELIEVE ONCE I BREAK OUT, AND KNOWN, SOMETHIN' SHOULD BE COMPENSATED ON MINES. BUT I AIN'T HERE TO SWELL MY OWN HEAD UP. YOU TRYIN' TO CLOWN THE UNDA-gROUND, BUT WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?
FIFTY FIRST OF ALL,
I DIDN'T MAKE THIS THREAD OR ELSE I WOULD OF LABELED IT RIgHT, LIKE YOU INDICATED IT. BEST BELIEVE THE WORD UNDA-gROUND WOULD OF BEEN INCLUDED.
XCONDLY,
FUK THE MAINSTREAM. IT'S ALL CORPORATE POLITIKS. AND YES, I DO BELIEVE ONCE I BREAK OUT, AND KNOWN, SOMETHIN' SHOULD BE COMPENSATED ON MINES. BUT I AIN'T HERE TO SWELL MY OWN HEAD UP. YOU TRYIN' TO CLOWN THE UNDA-gROUND, BUT WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?
^^ tryna clown the underground? HOW?...
and yea..instead of droppin some knowledge and provin me wrong u just come with more questiones..thats what u do..thats how u divert attention away from the fact that u bein provin wrong..and i know youll say "how was i provin wrong" well your wrong becuz you are sayin dudes like dre and snoop etc etc should be held in lower regards compared to cats like Lynch etc etc..but at the same time u sayin having a buzz and people feelin your shit is what puts u on that level...WELL it doesnt take a dude with half a brain to see how u contradict yourself in this argument..
and as far as the underground goes homie im the definition of underground..been recordin tracks tape to tape for like 10 years now..im only 21..never stepped in a studio dont really care to..i make music to make it..so how the fuck am i gonna be "clownin" the underground? i respect the underground more than anything else..i listen to 90% underground shit and u already know this u just tryna throw bullshit in this convo to compensate for the fact you have no rebuttle to the real topic at hand...and sense u didnt make this topic..why the fuck you tryna mold peoples opinions and switch shit up..the topic is what it iz..i gave my oponion accordingly..now if the topic was "who is the best rapper out the west" my answer would have been completely diff...
and yea..instead of droppin some knowledge and provin me wrong u just come with more questiones..thats what u do..thats how u divert attention away from the fact that u bein provin wrong..and i know youll say "how was i provin wrong" well your wrong becuz you are sayin dudes like dre and snoop etc etc should be held in lower regards compared to cats like Lynch etc etc..but at the same time u sayin having a buzz and people feelin your shit is what puts u on that level...WELL it doesnt take a dude with half a brain to see how u contradict yourself in this argument..
and as far as the underground goes homie im the definition of underground..been recordin tracks tape to tape for like 10 years now..im only 21..never stepped in a studio dont really care to..i make music to make it..so how the fuck am i gonna be "clownin" the underground? i respect the underground more than anything else..i listen to 90% underground shit and u already know this u just tryna throw bullshit in this convo to compensate for the fact you have no rebuttle to the real topic at hand...and sense u didnt make this topic..why the fuck you tryna mold peoples opinions and switch shit up..the topic is what it iz..i gave my oponion accordingly..now if the topic was "who is the best rapper out the west" my answer would have been completely diff...
MTOWN,
YOU STRESSED, "tryna clown the underground? HOW?..."
BY STRESSIN' SHIT LIKE "well i think the fact that these muthafuckaz can do sell out shows and move a million units kind of implicates that they have a bigger buzz and a bigger fanbase and more mufuckaz feelin there shit..as opposed to the cats who doin shows to 300 people and movin barely 10,000 units....point blank.." YOU TRYIN' TO COMPARE THE TWO AND BELITTLEIN' THE UNDA-gROUND BY BRINgIN' NUMBERS UP. IT'S LIKE PLAYIN' BIg BANK TAKE LIL BANK. WE ALL KNOW THE MAINSTREAM ARTIST IS PUSHIN' UNITS, CAUSE THEY gOT CORPORATIONS BACCIN' THEM, WHICH MEANS HELLA MARKETIN' AND PROMOTIONS ON A gRANDER SCALE. BUT IS THE ARTIST REALLY gETTIN' THAT?
THEN YOU STRESSED, "and yea..instead of droppin some knowledge and provin me wrong u just come with more questiones.."
ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THEN AND THE ANSWER LAYS WITHIN THEM.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "thats what u do..thats how u divert attention away from the fact that u bein provin wrong.."
IS THAT HOW YOU PERCEIVE IT?
THEN YOU STRESSED, "and i know youll say "how was i provin wrong" well your wrong becuz you are sayin dudes like dre and snoop etc etc should be held in lower regards compared to cats like Lynch etc etc.."
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT SNOOP AND DRE SOLD OUT AND THAT AFFECTED THEY BUSINESS. THE gOT MORE OF AN WIDER AUDIENCE. DON'T MEAN THEY SHOULD BE HELD AS ROYALTY. MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW OF THE WEST, ONLY WHAT THEY HEAR ON MTV AND BET AND gUESS WHO'S ON THAT?
THEN YOU STRESSED, "but at the same time u sayin having a buzz and people feelin your shit is what puts u on that level...WELL it doesnt take a dude with half a brain to see how u contradict yourself in this argument.."
PER YOUR PERCEPTION. LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR, SO THAT WAY YOU DON'T gET IT TWISTED. WHEN YOU HAVE A BUZZ, IT DON'T MEAN YOU PUSHIN' HELLA UNITS. SNOOP HAD A BUZZ BEFORE HE EVEN HAD AN ALBUM OUT. SO HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT ONE?
THEN YOU STRESSED, "and as far as the underground goes homie im the definition of underground..been recordin tracks tape to tape for like 10 years now..im only 21..never stepped in a studio dont really care to..i make music to make it..so how the fuck am i gonna be "clownin" the underground?"
JUST LIKE YOU HAVE. BUT IF YOU AIN'T EVEN STEPPED INTO THE STUDIO, THEN YOU JUST IN IT LIKE A HOBBY, AND REALLY MISSIN' OUT ON THE MUSIC PART. BELIEVE ME, I KNOW.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "i respect the underground more than anything else..i listen to 90% underground shit and u already know this u just tryna throw bullshit in this convo to compensate for the fact you have no rebuttle to the real topic at hand..."
IS THAT WHAT IT IS? SO WHAT'S THE 10%? I BELIEVE THE UNDA-gROUND DONE gOT WATERED DOWN.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "and sense u didnt make this topic..why the fuck you tryna mold peoples opinions and switch shit up.."
I AIN'T SWITCHIN' SHIT UP, OR TRYIN' TO MOLD NATHAN. I'M JUST QUESTIONIN' MUTHA-FUKAS REMARKS.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "the topic is what it iz..i gave my oponion accordingly..now if the topic was "who is the best rapper out the west" my answer would have been completely diff..."
ALRIgHT, SO WHO IS THE BEST RAPPER OUT THE WEST? I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE INTENTION OF THE THREAD, BUT YOU TRYIN' TO FLIP IT TO UNITS SOLD(WHICH IS NOT NECESARILY AN INDICATION OF HAVIN' SHIT SOLD UP).
YOU STRESSED, "tryna clown the underground? HOW?..."
BY STRESSIN' SHIT LIKE "well i think the fact that these muthafuckaz can do sell out shows and move a million units kind of implicates that they have a bigger buzz and a bigger fanbase and more mufuckaz feelin there shit..as opposed to the cats who doin shows to 300 people and movin barely 10,000 units....point blank.." YOU TRYIN' TO COMPARE THE TWO AND BELITTLEIN' THE UNDA-gROUND BY BRINgIN' NUMBERS UP. IT'S LIKE PLAYIN' BIg BANK TAKE LIL BANK. WE ALL KNOW THE MAINSTREAM ARTIST IS PUSHIN' UNITS, CAUSE THEY gOT CORPORATIONS BACCIN' THEM, WHICH MEANS HELLA MARKETIN' AND PROMOTIONS ON A gRANDER SCALE. BUT IS THE ARTIST REALLY gETTIN' THAT?
THEN YOU STRESSED, "and yea..instead of droppin some knowledge and provin me wrong u just come with more questiones.."
ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THEN AND THE ANSWER LAYS WITHIN THEM.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "thats what u do..thats how u divert attention away from the fact that u bein provin wrong.."
IS THAT HOW YOU PERCEIVE IT?
THEN YOU STRESSED, "and i know youll say "how was i provin wrong" well your wrong becuz you are sayin dudes like dre and snoop etc etc should be held in lower regards compared to cats like Lynch etc etc.."
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT SNOOP AND DRE SOLD OUT AND THAT AFFECTED THEY BUSINESS. THE gOT MORE OF AN WIDER AUDIENCE. DON'T MEAN THEY SHOULD BE HELD AS ROYALTY. MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW OF THE WEST, ONLY WHAT THEY HEAR ON MTV AND BET AND gUESS WHO'S ON THAT?
THEN YOU STRESSED, "but at the same time u sayin having a buzz and people feelin your shit is what puts u on that level...WELL it doesnt take a dude with half a brain to see how u contradict yourself in this argument.."
PER YOUR PERCEPTION. LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR, SO THAT WAY YOU DON'T gET IT TWISTED. WHEN YOU HAVE A BUZZ, IT DON'T MEAN YOU PUSHIN' HELLA UNITS. SNOOP HAD A BUZZ BEFORE HE EVEN HAD AN ALBUM OUT. SO HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT ONE?
THEN YOU STRESSED, "and as far as the underground goes homie im the definition of underground..been recordin tracks tape to tape for like 10 years now..im only 21..never stepped in a studio dont really care to..i make music to make it..so how the fuck am i gonna be "clownin" the underground?"
JUST LIKE YOU HAVE. BUT IF YOU AIN'T EVEN STEPPED INTO THE STUDIO, THEN YOU JUST IN IT LIKE A HOBBY, AND REALLY MISSIN' OUT ON THE MUSIC PART. BELIEVE ME, I KNOW.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "i respect the underground more than anything else..i listen to 90% underground shit and u already know this u just tryna throw bullshit in this convo to compensate for the fact you have no rebuttle to the real topic at hand..."
IS THAT WHAT IT IS? SO WHAT'S THE 10%? I BELIEVE THE UNDA-gROUND DONE gOT WATERED DOWN.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "and sense u didnt make this topic..why the fuck you tryna mold peoples opinions and switch shit up.."
I AIN'T SWITCHIN' SHIT UP, OR TRYIN' TO MOLD NATHAN. I'M JUST QUESTIONIN' MUTHA-FUKAS REMARKS.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "the topic is what it iz..i gave my oponion accordingly..now if the topic was "who is the best rapper out the west" my answer would have been completely diff..."
ALRIgHT, SO WHO IS THE BEST RAPPER OUT THE WEST? I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE INTENTION OF THE THREAD, BUT YOU TRYIN' TO FLIP IT TO UNITS SOLD(WHICH IS NOT NECESARILY AN INDICATION OF HAVIN' SHIT SOLD UP).
SEE U GO AND DO YOUR WHOLE BREAK DOWN SHIT AND IT KILLS THE WHOLE CONVO..U CANT JUST ANSWER QUESTIONES U KEEP BRINGIN NEW QUESTIONES..SO SNOOP HAD A BUZZ B4 HE DROPPED AN ALBUM..COOL BRO..THATS SO INFORMATIVE..WELL WAS HIS BUZZ BIG THAN? WAS IT? WOW..THAN ID GUESS ITS ABOUT A MILLION TIMES BIGGER NOW SEEING AS TO HOW HES DROPPED LIKE 6 JOINTS..MOVED MULTI MILLIONS AND HAS MORE FANS THAN ALL THESE UNDERGROUND HEADS COMBINED...
IT DONT MATTER THE FACT OF THIS SHIT IS THAT DUDE STARTED THE TOPIC SAYIN HE FEELS LYNCH IS THE KING SINCE PAC..WELL PAC WAS MAINSTREAM AND LYNCH IS UNDERGROUND..THEREFORE THE COMPARING OF UNDER AND MAINSTREAM WAS MADE FROM JUMP....AS THE TOPIC MOVED ON THE ULTIMATE QUESTION BECAME.."WHO IS THE KING OF THE WEST ..I FEEL IT WOULD BE IN REGARDS TO WHO HAS MORE FANS..PERIOD..AND SEING AS TO HOW U SAID YOURSELF HAVIN A BUZZ AND FOLKS FEELIN YOUR SHIT...MUFUCKAZ GOT A BUZZ ANDS AINT SELLIN SHIT..HOW U FIGURE THEY GOT A BUZZ? IF THEY HAD SO MANY FANS THEY WOULD BE MOVIN UNITS..
AND HOW DOES ME COMPARING THE UNDERGROUND WITH THE MAINSTREAM MEAN IM DISRESPECTIN THE UNDERGROUND? DOGG SERIOUSLY I HAD ALOT OF RESPECT FOR YOU BUT THAT SHIT IS DYING OUT WITH YOUR TIRED ASS ARGUMENTS..THIS THREAD AINT DIRECTED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER..IT AINT WHOS THE KING OF THE UNDER OR WHOS THE KING OF THE MAIN..JUST CUZ MUFUCKAZ AINT GOT TO THE MAINSTREAM LEVEL YET DONT CHANGE SHIT..MUSIC IS MUSIC..THEY ALL STRIVIN TO MOVE AS MANY UNITS POSSIBLE..OTHERWISE THEY JUST IN IT FOR A HOBBY AND ARE REALLY MISSING THE MUSIC PART..AINT THAT RIGHT EDJ?..SO..INSTEAD OF TRYIN TO MANIPULATE THIS HERE CONVERSATION INTO SOMETHIN THAT MAKES U LOOK LIKE U'R CORRECT WITH YOUR DEBATE..LETS JUST LEAVE IT AT THIS..
IF U WANT ME TO KEEP ARGUING WITH YOU..REPLY WITH ANSWERES AND NONE OF YOUR TRADITIONAL QUOTE A SENTENCE RESPOND WITH A QUESTION THAN REPEAT OVER AND OVER..JUST SAY WHAT U GOTTA SAY
IT DONT MATTER THE FACT OF THIS SHIT IS THAT DUDE STARTED THE TOPIC SAYIN HE FEELS LYNCH IS THE KING SINCE PAC..WELL PAC WAS MAINSTREAM AND LYNCH IS UNDERGROUND..THEREFORE THE COMPARING OF UNDER AND MAINSTREAM WAS MADE FROM JUMP....AS THE TOPIC MOVED ON THE ULTIMATE QUESTION BECAME.."WHO IS THE KING OF THE WEST ..I FEEL IT WOULD BE IN REGARDS TO WHO HAS MORE FANS..PERIOD..AND SEING AS TO HOW U SAID YOURSELF HAVIN A BUZZ AND FOLKS FEELIN YOUR SHIT...MUFUCKAZ GOT A BUZZ ANDS AINT SELLIN SHIT..HOW U FIGURE THEY GOT A BUZZ? IF THEY HAD SO MANY FANS THEY WOULD BE MOVIN UNITS..
AND HOW DOES ME COMPARING THE UNDERGROUND WITH THE MAINSTREAM MEAN IM DISRESPECTIN THE UNDERGROUND? DOGG SERIOUSLY I HAD ALOT OF RESPECT FOR YOU BUT THAT SHIT IS DYING OUT WITH YOUR TIRED ASS ARGUMENTS..THIS THREAD AINT DIRECTED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER..IT AINT WHOS THE KING OF THE UNDER OR WHOS THE KING OF THE MAIN..JUST CUZ MUFUCKAZ AINT GOT TO THE MAINSTREAM LEVEL YET DONT CHANGE SHIT..MUSIC IS MUSIC..THEY ALL STRIVIN TO MOVE AS MANY UNITS POSSIBLE..OTHERWISE THEY JUST IN IT FOR A HOBBY AND ARE REALLY MISSING THE MUSIC PART..AINT THAT RIGHT EDJ?..SO..INSTEAD OF TRYIN TO MANIPULATE THIS HERE CONVERSATION INTO SOMETHIN THAT MAKES U LOOK LIKE U'R CORRECT WITH YOUR DEBATE..LETS JUST LEAVE IT AT THIS..
IF U WANT ME TO KEEP ARGUING WITH YOU..REPLY WITH ANSWERES AND NONE OF YOUR TRADITIONAL QUOTE A SENTENCE RESPOND WITH A QUESTION THAN REPEAT OVER AND OVER..JUST SAY WHAT U GOTTA SAY
EDJ
NO fam I don't go to the stores and check any scans bc I don't really give 409,835 shits about someone elses business. I go by the talk on the streets(word of mouth) and those artist we named up top are very talented and I was and still am a fan but I haven't heard no one besides on this site say anything about them since the 90's sad but true. and sales are a indication of clout and buzz DUH!
I'm done with this thread I proved my point.
